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HOW DO I STOP BEING A PSEUD

>> No.17105128
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17105128

Read more good stuff
Start with the Greeks

>> No.17105135

>>17105128
I read plato and aristotle but I'm still worried desu

>> No.17105148

>>17105123
Take a risk. Risk your life, even if only slightly. Nothing is more real than risky experiences.

>> No.17105150

>>17105123
You only stop being a pseud after you hit 30. Your twenties are the essential time to be a pseud. You MUST be a pseud, otherwise you'll never become an actual intellectual. The master was born a fool. Life experience will eventually fix your pseudness naturally.

>> No.17105158

>>17105150
I'm 28 and have no real life experience and don't know how to get it

>> No.17105161

>>17105123
It's a natural part of the process, you should risk sounding like a pseud and learn from your experiences. Also, read, a lot.

>> No.17105168

>>17105123
Stop reading just to find things you like

>> No.17105170

>>17105123
Humility and sincerity

>> No.17105182
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>>17105135
They’re for pseuds. I mean the Hs
Hesiod, Homeric Hymns, Homer, Herodotus, Heraclitus.
The playwrights and Epicurus before moving onto the Roman Lucretius

>> No.17105190

>>17105182
>reading Heraclitus without also reading Democritus
>skipping the Sophists
C'mon buttz

>> No.17105199

>>17105123
Sorry pseud, this is the one thing that can't be book-learned or gleaned through the advice of others. If I give you some piece of information to latch onto, I'm effectively digging you into a deeper hole. Your cute little brain isn't gonna figure everything out. You're trying too hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IhzsYd33lI

>> No.17105202

Read more. Don't be afraid to be wrong, disagree, or fuck something up. If you learn, come to your own understandings, and never agree with a consensus for the sake of being right, you'll stop being a pseud in no time. No intellectual titans were made from agreement, conformity, and prostration.

>> No.17105204

>>17105158
Just be yourself

>> No.17105207

>>17105199
Aaaaaaaaaah
>>17105182
I'll try this
>>17105204
It's failed so far

>> No.17105209

Read deeply, and understand; don't just flip pages.

>> No.17105215

>>17105190
It’s a way to remember. Five H

>>17105207
>It's failed so far
It takes some time to improve yourself. Build your confidence up
https://youtu.be/wv_4JnHvOTc

>> No.17105224

>>17105215
>build up confidence
Dont tell him to do that at all. Bravado is the fuel for the pseuds. At the beginning they won't be able to tell the difference between the two so its better if he burns it entirely and let whatever happens happen.

>> No.17105240

>>17105224
Over confidence is a thing, but I’m not asking for that. Boldness in life isn’t a bad thing.

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>tfw you embrace your pseudery and relentlessly express yourself and then critique yourself
its painful but you get smarter like that

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>>17105245
my brother

>> No.17105252

>>17105128
Based tranny

>> No.17105257

>>17105123
What worked for me was reading broadly and avoiding normiehood at all costs.

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>>17105182
>Epicurus

>> No.17105268

>>17105245
>its painful
you're a big guy

>> No.17105273

>>17105240
No no, Bravado is something born from pure delusion while confidence is born from competence. To someone with niether, there is no difference, yet to the competent the difference is night and day. Overconfidence while detrimental to ones being, is not as nearly as harmful as bravado.

>> No.17105280

>>17105207
FWIW, this isn't the best board for this question because you're mostly asking it to other pseuds. Of course they're gonna recommend more books and more information. You'd probably have a better shot of a legit answer on something like >>>/out/
To be a pseud is to approach life through your idea of what things are rather than facing things directly. Trying to fix this with knowledge is going to thicken the bug-splatter caked onto your front windshield. You need a windshield wiper more than anything. Go eat an apple or take a bath or something without applying any effort. The taste of the apple or the feeling of the bathwater is self evident--it doesn't require further investigation. Thinking about the perception is no different than picking a scab. Don't interfere, don't contrive. Likewise trying to put a stop to things is like warring in the name of peace.

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>>17105123
Simply be humble in your knowledge

>> No.17105505

How do I know what I know

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>>17105182
Just because they don't appeal to women it doesn't mean they're not worth reading

>> No.17105777

>>17105679
He's cute

>> No.17105873

>>17105777
trips of truth

>> No.17105884

>>17105123
Stop pretending to be smart or know what you’re talking about, keep reading whatever you want to just dont talk about anything you dont know

>> No.17105966

Read Jordan Peterson

No, wait, I mean don’t read Jordan Peterson

>> No.17105999

>>17105123
delete thread
lurk more

>> No.17106037

>>17105123
By knowing that you know nothing

>> No.17106046

read theory

>> No.17106051

Read more, and talk less. Assume you're wrong about everything until you can prove otherwise.

>> No.17106061

>>17106046
Reading "theory" alone will turn you into a massive pseud. Read analytic philosophy is probably the best way to ground yourself.

>> No.17106817

>>17105679
>Hesiod
>appealing to women.

>> No.17107244

dont larp as an anime character

>> No.17107258

>>17107244
Don’t larp as a frog either

>> No.17107317

>>17105268
for you

>> No.17107508

>>17107244
That's The best way of living though

>> No.17107514

do a non-stem degree

>> No.17107586

>>17105158
Get into trouble. Start a fight.

>> No.17107601

>>17105123
Know nothing. Leap at every opportunity to be tossed on the burn pile.

>> No.17108483 [DELETED] 

You can't?

>> No.17108494

>>17105123
Do you think less of something if it was written/drawn on a bathroom wall compared to something that is being praised in snobbish circles or what your English teacher recommends? The content or art itself being completely irrelevant to your judgment.
If so, you are a pseud.

Stop doing that.

>> No.17108649

>>17108494
Not him. I try not to but I am unsure if anyone can be completely free from pseudery.

>> No.17109167

>>17106061
>Read analytic philosophy
ngmi

>> No.17109201

>>17105123
stop making threads like this and have some self-respect

>> No.17109238

>>17105123
A pseud would never make a thread like this. You are self aware so that's nice, read books that you are interested in

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>>17107244
The opposite is true

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>>17105182
Based

>> No.17110151

>>17109483
This

>> No.17110168

>>17106046
Yeah my nigga "theory" is about as pseudery as you get.

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>>17105135
I have and now all I do is post my gay little anime pictures on 4channel.

>> No.17110414

>>17105158
Start saying yes to yourself and other people, start saying yes to opportunities and adventure. Stop saying no.

You're going to get hurt.

>> No.17110428

You stop being a pseud when you believe hard enough that you're no longer a pseud, even Plato thought he was a pseud

>> No.17110465

>>17110414
But nobody even asks

>> No.17110524

>>17105158
Honestly the best advice I have as someone who literally just got their shit sorted is
Just do it
You know what you need to do
Don't be a pussy
Don't chicken out
Just do it and more things to do will follow
Do those things too

>> No.17110537

>>17110524
Fuck ok I'm gonna apply to grad school or get a job

>> No.17110550

Fear of pseud-ness is usually a fear of inauthenticity, but ironically the pursuit of authenticity is always (and visibly) inauthentic. Stay humble, don't look above your station, recognise your limits and know why you're doing this in the first place. (You have to figure out that last part for yourself).

>> No.17110756

>>17105397
Good advice

>> No.17111785

bump

>> No.17111938

>>17110550
this is really good advice

>> No.17111978

>>17106046
cringe

>> No.17112024

>>17105123
Put in the hard reading hours. Take many literary dumps for practice. Baby steps. Rome isn’t built in a day.

>> No.17112237

Read what you're interested in and what makes you feel like you're actually learning more. The more you read the more you become aware of the sheer amount of knowledge out there and you'll feel simultaneously humbled and more intelligent. Don't blindly read what people tell you to read, start with the Greeks or classics if you don't know where to start but if you find a certain idea or style interesting find reference texts and develop your knowledge. Youll always be a pseud to someone just don't fool yourself into thinking you're smarter than you are

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Read pic related

>> No.17113029

>>17105123
Read what interests you. Explore as much as you want. Don't care what faggots here say. For example I hate the Bakker books but others love them.

>> No.17113045

>>17110168
Tell me about this theory mate

>> No.17113053

Stop validating yourself through other people than you can be a lonely pseud schizo (the best kind of pseud).

>> No.17114569

>>17113045
Communist theory, the stuff you find on those charts. There are many issues with it, but many make for pseudry in my opinion.

Aspect 1, the foundations.
Marxist theory is so garbled that building anything on it is a Herculean effort. I mean, after all these years, we can't even agree on whether Marx HAD an LTV. Secondly, Marx's arguments (and in particular this seems to have stemmed from the Hegelian History parts) facilitate anti-empiricism. Communist theory is always 10% shallow data and 90% (mis)attribution of this small datapool to the throes of le late stage capitalismus.

Aspect 2, the product.
This makes for theory works that are both overcomplicated and extremely shallow, while having dubious empirical validity. Take Fisher, he has a passage on overdiagnosing mental health. Firstly, this is an empirical issue: the logical next question is "give us data that can paint a picture that explains WHY this is happening". But ok, suppose the data does not exist. Fisher seems to claim, through a sequence of obnoxious pop-culture references, that this is somehow related to "muh late stage capitalism".
Ok, not only is this a boring and predictable thesis, but it is dubiously supported by the data we DO have (like the fact that mental health diagnoses have risen across the entire western world, including scandanavia, and so there seems to be no link to degree of capitalism). This is about as much of an argument as "da joos did it lole" is, just cloaked in the language of dialectics.

>> No.17114623

>>17114569
(cont.)
This is just an example of course, but it is representative of the larger issues with theory, (retarded monomania, dubious coherence, rejection of empiricism in favour of vague generalities).
For another great example, see: "Society of the Spectacle"

The worst part about theory though, is, in my opinion, the fact that their simple theses (which are actually often somewhat correct, capitalism does suck pp) have been subsumed by better and more coherent theories. I mean, the entirety of third positionism (inculding anarchism), in all its denominations, pressupposes the theses of theory. In that sense, all of third positionism stricly dominates "theory". If you can understand the dozen or so sub-theses of "le capitalism bad", then the texts that ought interest you aren't "theory", but stuff on the third position, because every third positionist worth his salt takes "le capitalism bad" to almost be self evident.

Of course, there are some theorists who do also propose anarchy or whatever, but the kind of book we refer to by "theory" is often this kind of "le critique of capitalism" book, which seems to have no value (Fisher, Society of the Spectacle). Suppose "le capitalism bad" isn't already self-evident to you because you're a lolbert or whatever, well then these critiques aren't even good critiques for the reasons mentioned in my first post. If you already know that capitalism bad, on the other hand, then these books never even had a chance to give you anything of value beyond a vaguely interesting, extremely tenuous thesis on why this particular kind of capitalism bad.

>> No.17114751

>>17114569
The entire western world is capitalistic, including Scandinavia

>> No.17114814

>>17114751
Yes. That’s why the hypothesis that all the world’s evils can be attributed to capitalism isn’t empirical: it’s untestable. But beyond that, between the different economic systems we have within capitalism there seems to be no evidence to suggest that overdiagnoses relate to this variable. I don’t care about the completely autistic (on both sides) “Scandanavia is/not Socialist” debate. My point is that Fishers point is not only widely untestable, but to the degree that related claims are sort of “testable”, they do not yield the results he would want them to yield. We don’t need to argue about how capitalist scandinavia is for this to be the case.

>> No.17114820

1.- shut up
2.- reject post-modernism and critical theory
3.- read the classics
4.- respect the cannons
5.- lurk in /sci/
6.- go to church

>> No.17114852

Coming off as a pseud has more to do with social skills than actual knowledge. Focus on building those social skills (holding a conversation, developing empathy, etc) while continuing to study on your own time.

>> No.17115085

>>17114820
>Reject post modernism
So basically become a postmodernist.

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>>17114820

>> No.17116307

>>17116294
based as fuck

>> No.17116948

>>17105209
based and wisepilled