/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17104296]

nothing says pseud like leftist zoomers saying "read theory" and then posting books written by normie philosophers/writers like Parenti, Wolff, Zizek, Lenin, Toscano, or some NYT leftist best seller

[Anonymous No.17104320]

True. Theory has only gone downhill since Marx.

[Anonymous No.17104347]

>>17104296
>"read theory bro you need to read theory bro trust me"
>*reads theory*
>"uhmm ackshually capitalism is inescapable and the masses are completely brainwashed and the revolution will never happen but you still gotta care about communism and stuff tho it can still happen somehow bro trust me *author proceeds to kill himself*"
So this... Is the power.... Of theory...

[Anonymous No.17104375]

>>17104296
What do you read faggot? Charlie Kirk?

[Anonymous No.17104396]

>>17104375
Who said I was a neocuck?

[Anonymous No.17104500]

>>17104296
Parenti is pretty based

[Anonymous No.17104549]

>>17104500
he's a normie and anyone that brings him up in a convo gives themselves away

[Anonymous No.17104567]

>>17104296
Have any Theorists ever engaged with economic data like Marx at least attempted to, whilst claiming to be Materialists? (No.) Why should anyone be interested in this? It's Scholasticism for post-Christians.

[Anonymous No.17104609]

>>17104549
Oh, I get it, you're baiting. It's obvious, since Chomsky is more of a normie writer than Parenti. Parenti has been arrested and is far cooler than your typical dweeby leftist pale poindexter types, he reminds me of a cool uncle. Also his views typically aren't normie views, I don't know a single normie who thinks Tibet is better off under Chinese rule.

[Anonymous No.17104615]

>>17104567
No, most theorists ditched it. The ones I can respect like some in Italy at least said real world experience and daily class struggle mattered the most, but French Marxoids got way too abstract in rambling about alienation and commodification.

[Anonymous No.17104620]

>>17104609
all leftists are normies

[Anonymous No.17104694]

>zoomers
you mean millennials?

[Anonymous No.17104711]

>>17104609
>who thinks Tibet is better off under Chinese rule.
Is he doing this from a commie apologia stance though?

[Anonymous No.17105253]

no worse than people who confuse obscurity with profundity and reject anything "normie" out of hand.

[Anonymous No.17105630]

>>17104296
bluepill me on Toscano

[Anonymous No.17105707]

>>17104320
that's a man

[Anonymous No.17105733]

>>17105707
Problem?

[Anonymous No.17105760]

>>17104711
yes, he's a shameless bootlicker of foreign governments

[Anonymous No.17105983]

>>17104567
>Have any Theorists ever engaged with economic data like Marx at least attempted to, whilst claiming to be Materialists?
Yes. Read Paul Cockshott's "Towards a New Socialism".

[Anonymous No.17105988]

>>17104296
read debord instead

[Anonymous No.17105990]

>>17105707
i hope so.

[Anonymous No.17105995]

>>17105988
read debord en français

[Anonymous No.17105996]

>>17104296
They need to start with Marx, and maybe Hegel as well if they want to get serious

[Anonymous No.17105998]

>>17105988
Situationism is overrated. Read J. Moufawad-Paul instead.

[Anonymous No.17106006]

>>17104296
Never read anything past the romans in general unless you find doing things like sorting through rancid garbage and formatting your hardrive fun because after you read the big, well known names thats the equivalent of all you’ll be doing

[Anonymous No.17106012]

>>17105998
>marxism-leninism-maoism
... like he said, read debord instead

[Anonymous No.17106017]

>>17104296
>nyt
>leftist

[Anonymous No.17106022]

One definition of pseud should be a person who limits their philosophical reading exclusively to "theory."

[Anonymous No.17106023]

>>17106012
Sailing seas depends on the helmsman,
Life and growth depends on the sun.
Rain and dewdrops nourish the crops,
Making revolution depends on Mao Zedong Thought.

Fish cannot leave the water,
Nor melons leave the vines.
The revolutionary masses cannot do without the Communist Party.
Mao Zedong Thought is the sun that forever shines.

[Anonymous No.17106028]

>>17106017
All liberalism that isn't militantly opposed to communism is just an incubating communism.

[Anonymous No.17106058]

>>17106023
grow up

[Anonymous No.17106093]

>>17104567
anwar shaikh, machover & farjoun, li minqi, the list goes on...

[Anonymous No.17106128]

>>17104296
I really wouldn’t put Lenin in this list

[Anonymous No.17106152]

>>17104296
How is Lenin a normalfag philosopher? Also, stop saying normie, normalfag. Normalnigger, even.

[Anonymous No.17106183]

>>17106023
Don't Maoists hate this book?

[Anonymous No.17106189]

>>17106152
>>17106128
Lenin is the most consensual philosopher of the last century KEK he is the systemic recuperation of Marx, a fraud, an agent of capital. no amount of reification and larping will change this, it is right under our eyes, not even obfsucated or hidden - it's in plane sight, bolshevism is the spectacular representation of the worker and has nothing to do with emancipation. the ussr is state capitalism. reform and revolution are two opposites on a vector, you can't reform your way to revolution, no amount of ideological justification will change this simple truth. there is no grand revolution coming that can be planned and organized, it is fundamentally impossible. just quit working, quit paying taxes, quit engaging and renewing capital, for your own good, and tomorrow we will wake up and history will be over and we can live as Beings and not historical entities subject to the eternal movement.

grow the fuck up, stop idolatry, reject reification of history, just grow up honestly, seeing people cling to politics and identify with political ideologies is the most pathetic sight in 12,000years of domestication but who am I kidding? the future will be even sadder. quit being pathetic, life is more than identifying with authoritarian morons, life is more than shitposting on the internet, life is more than politics, ideology or whatever alienation we can produce, you are more than what you identify as.

stop taking all of this seriously, we're nearing the end of the parody and the ones who kept the joke running will look silly in retrospect.

[Anonymous No.17106208]

>>17106189
>Stage 1: Demoralization

[Anonymous No.17106237]

>>17105983
>Paul Cockshott
His Name is Gogshod????
Lige Benis???? :DDDDDD
U R Giddings rite???? :DDDDD
What is he Shooding??? Sberm XDDDDD

[Anonymous No.17106241]

>>17106183
Non-revisionary Marxist-Leninists who embrace the label of Maoism might, but otherwise nah. The book simply reiterates the common Maoist perspective that the break from orthodox Marxism-Leninism is justified in light of evolving material conditions (just as it was the case with Marxism-Leninism itself in light of its break from Orthodox Marxism).

Revolutionary praxis must serve both to reinforce and to reevaluate previously held theory, otherwise you fall into the pitfalls of dogmatism. Lenin had his peasants'-workers' alliance and the vanguard party, Mao his people's war and the mass line (which reinforces the vanguardist model rather than disavowing it); Stalin rightfully defended socialism in one country from the Orthodox Marxist dogmatism of Trotsky, Mao brought Marxism-Leninism forward through his Three Worlds Theory in light of the Khrushchevite takeover of the USSR and subsequent Maoist movements outside the PRC proved the universality of Mao Zedong Thought within the framework of a Global North-South divide (the latter itself being an outgrowth of Lenin's theory of imperialism and an answer to the theoretical issue posed by the labor aristocracies of the West).

[Anonymous No.17106265]

>>17105983
Paul Cockshott is a /leftypol/ meme and hardly a known Theorist.

[Anonymous No.17106282]

>>17106208
lol... take a look around you, everything that is propped up as reality IS demoralization. politics, relationships, the food you put in your mouth. we've been on house arrest for a year all due to some petty economical restructuring which somehow translated into mass psychosis and lockdowns over something that would not have been "real" under every other temporality of capital. everything you believe is a lie, thinking covid is something tangible that somehow halted production all over the world is the same as thinking some serbian guy started ww2. what's the point of going around 4chan demoralizing lol? we're under real subsumption, the entire economical framework is demoralizing.
all of it is false, all of ideology is reactive, ideology justifies changes in material condition


>>17106241
tell me one good thing that came out of the USSR and the CCP. none. they're so bad no amount of ideological justification can obfuscate the fact that life is miserable in those countries. grow up. mao is not your friend, neither is lenin, neither is ideology or politics or whatever. the simple act of organizing and planning is the eternal renewal of capital. you're not really interested in revolution, and if you are then reassess your 'position".

>The book simply reiterates the common Maoist perspective that the break from orthodox Marxism-Leninism is justified in light of evolving material conditions
>is justified in light of evolving material conditions
you said it yourself! every ideology is posterior justification of material change therefore NOT A SINGLE ideology is revolutionary. drop the larp and stop being miserable! ahistorical life is good!

[Anonymous No.17106288]

>>17106265
Eh, to each their own. I personally agree with much of his work and his taking into account of technological innovations is a breath of fresh air as far as contemporary Marxist political economy is concerned.

That said, I do not agree with his idea of labor vouchers as a replacement for currency under a planned economy nor am I as enthusiastic as he is about direct democracy.

[Anonymous No.17106302]

>>17106189
Shut up Camatte

[Anonymous No.17106303]

>>17106282
>>17106282
>the simple act of organizing and planning is the eternal renewal of capital.
Ok, Fukuyama.

>you said it yourself! every ideology is posterior justification of material change
"The merit of Marx is that he suddenly produces a qualitative change in the history of social thought. He interprets history, understands its dynamic, predicts the future, but in addition to predicting it (which would satisfy his scientific obligation), he expresses a revolutionary concept: the world must not only be interpreted, it must be transformed. Man ceases to be the slave and tool of his environment and converts himself into the architect of his own destiny. […] Basing itself on the giants, Marx and Engels, and developing through successive steps with personalities like Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse-tung and the new Soviet and Chinese rulers, it establishes a body of doctrine and, let us say, examples to follow.

The Cuban Revolution takes up Marx at the point where he himself left science to shoulder his revolutionary rifle. And it takes him up at that point, not in a revisionist spirit, of struggling against that which follows Marx, of reviving "pure" Marx, but simply because up to that point Marx, the scientist, placed himself outside of the history he studied and predicted. From then on Marx, the revolutionary, could fight within history.

We, practical revolutionaries, initiating our own struggle, simply fulfil laws foreseen by Marx, the scientist. We are simply adjusting ourselves to the predictions of the scientific Marx as we travel this road of rebellion, struggling against the old structure of power, supporting ourselves in the people for the destruction of this structure, and having the happiness of this people as the basis of our struggle. That is to say, and it is well to emphasise this once again: The laws of Marxism are present in the events of the Cuban Revolution, independently of what its leaders profess or fully know of those laws from a theoretical point of view..."
t. Che

[Anonymous No.17106306]

>>17106241
>Non-revisionary Marxist-Leninists
Marxism-Leninism is revisionist though; fucking socialism in one country and commodity production under socialism is revisionist and not marxist. Marxism-Leninism is a cult for retards

[Anonymous No.17106312]

Calling books "theory" triggers the shit out of me.

[Anonymous No.17106319]

>>17106303
Different poster here, this is a good example of what I meant in >>17104567. Intra-leftist arguments tend to degenerate into quoting important Communist saints at each other. No one ever seems to produce criteria with which one could determine whether or not the USSR engaged in commodity production, for example, half the time there isn't even an agreement on what that constitutes.

[Anonymous No.17106376]

>>17106306
>fucking socialism in one country and commodity production under socialism is revisionist
Sure thing, Trotskyite. Both of these were the product of scientific socialism being applied to the material conditions present within the Soviet Union.

With the failure of the Ruhr insurrection, the notion of a permanent revolution leading to world communism occurring became objectively false. And in that context, to deny the legitimacy of socialism in one country is to advocate for the undoing of October either passively through an unwinnable war which would lead to the destruction of the Soviet Union through capitalist aggression or actively through the willful dissolution of the dictatorship of the proletariat since clearly the time for world revolution had not yet come.

As for socialist commodity production, it is simply the logical next step on the path towards communism following the NEP. And if you believe that commodity production and currency could've been abolished in favor of full rationing of consumer goods during the phase of lower stage communism, then you are a utopian socialist.

[Anonymous No.17106396]

>>17106319
>No one ever seems to produce criteria with which one could determine whether or not the USSR engaged in commodity production, for example, half the time there isn't even an agreement on what that constitutes.
Nice strawman. Just because Western 'Marxists' do not acknowledge the legitimacy of the Soviet model does not mean that the Soviets themselves didn't provide a theoretical framework for their system.

https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/pe-ch32.htm

"(1) Commodity production in socialist society is made necessary by the existence of two basic forms of socialist production: State and collective farm. Commodity production and commodity circulation are limited mainly to consumer goods. Commodity production in socialist society is commodity production of a special kind, without private ownership of the means of production, and without capitalists. It serves socialist society.

(2) A commodity in socialist economy has use-value created by concrete labour, and value created by abstract labour. The contradiction between private and social labour does not exist in socialist society. In socialist economy both the creation of use-values and the improvement of the quality of output and also systematic reductions in the value of commodities on the basis of the planned (1) reduction of the socially-necessary time spent on their production are of the utmost importance.

(3) The sphere of operation of the law of value in socialist economy is limited. The law of value is not the regulator of production, but influences production and has a regulating influence on commodity circulation. The law of value is used in the process of the planned management of the national economy. The operation of the law of value is taken into account in the planning of prices.

4) Money in socialist economy is a universal equivalent, an economic instrument for planning the economy, a means for controlling and keeping account of the production and distribution of the social product, the measure of labour and consumption. Money has the function of a measure of value, a means of circulation, a means of payment, and a means of socialist accumulation and saving, a world currency. Soviet money is backed not only by the gold reserve but primarily by the mass of commodities which is concentrated in State hands and sold at State planned prices."

[Anonymous No.17106565]

>>17106396
Okay, the author of this text is saying that commodity production exists in a limited form, whereas Western Marxists said... that commodity production existed in the Soviet Union. Western Marxists view this as a bad thing and USSR fans view this as an important necessity. Same story with the existence of money.
>The USSR was state capitalist :(
vs.
>The USSR was state capitalist :)

[Anonymous No.17107722]

>>17104296
How is Lenin a normie? Am I gonna go up to some normie stacey bitch and find her reading Left-wing Communism: an Infantile Disorder? If you're gonna use stereotypes at least use them correctly

[Anonymous No.17107750]

>>17104694

God damn Matt is so fucking impossible to take seriously once you've seen him in person.

[Anonymous No.17107757]

>>17106017
>implying NYT doesn’t bootlick niggers and Marxist BLM daily

[Anonymous No.17107993]

>>17104694
this is the ideal revolutionary insurgent body. you may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like

[Anonymous No.17108054]

>>17104694
Him looking like the toddler behind himself is so funny.

[Anonymous No.17108121]

>>17104694

> "AVATAR IS THE GREATEST PIECE OF FICTION EVER CREATED, A TRULY REVOLUTIONARY ANTICAPITALIST WORK OF ART".

Kek, what a fucking pseud.

[Anonymous No.17108156]

>>17108121
Avatar is an actually amazing movie though, it is up there with Wizard of Oz, 2001, Jurassic Park, Lotr in terms of technical wizardry innovation

[Anonymous No.17108176]

>>17108156
>technical wizardry innovation

Which is something in and of itself, yes, but don't treat it as a great piece of critical theory, that's all.

[Anonymous No.17108210]

>>17105707
I'm ok with this

[Anonymous No.17108211]

>>17108176
you are right about that, like Titanic its only thematic value is its escapist prowess

[Anonymous No.17108267]

>>17105707
oh i'm hoping so

[Anonymous No.17108293]

>>17108156
avatar is a garbage story, but amazing visuals. the only reason why people liked it was because its pretty.

[Anonymous No.17108336]

>>17108293
The story isn't terrible, it's just perfunctory fantasy wish fulfillment. It's better than the average blockbuster story

[Anonymous No.17108364]

>>17108293
>>17108336
i thought when avatar came out it was supposed to be the start of some new cynical sci-fi ip likes star wars or aliens, what happened to the sequels? did focus groups show there was little interest in avatar happy meals and funko pops and it got cancelled?

[Anonymous No.17108379]

>>17108364
James Cameron is a colossal autist and keeps delaying it because he wants to make it suit his autism better, and there was also Covid. Avatar itself took forever to come out for the same reason, it was 12 years after Titanic

[Anonymous No.17108493]

>>17108336
>It's better than the average blockbuster story

That's like saying a pile of shit is better than a rotting corpse. Technically true, but the meaning of the distinction is loss in the lack of meaningful differences.

>>17108336
>The story isn't terrible, it's just perfunctory fantasy wish fulfillment.

Yes, but only to people already so devoid of life that they could identify with Jake. Since none of the characters were interesting or fleshed out, I was left to fall back on the evil general, who was otherwise the only genuinely fun character of that movie, and ended up cheering for the "bad guys" the whole time.
And I'm a fucking Marxist, ffs.

[Anonymous No.17108627]

>>17106288
I like that he's an honest to god stemfag that analizes honest to god economic data and develops models that match said data.
he's doing what the leftists need to do to be taken seriously, and not succumb to accusations of being idealist speculators

[Anonymous No.17108644]

>>17106208
t. fell for the gladio meme

[Anonymous No.17108719]

>>17104549
go ahead and try to defend the ussr or communist china in front of your coworkers, you'll be lynched

[Anonymous No.17108749]

>>17108719
it's definitely a bit edgy but it's hardly like defending Nazi Germany

[Anonymous No.17108756]

>>17104694
his insane rants on YouTube are great

[Anonymous No.17108763]

>>17106028
bullshit, liberals side with the far right 120% of the time

[Anonymous No.17108766]

>>17106023
based and helmsman pilled

[Anonymous No.17108781]

>>17108749
half of the normalfags will tell you that communists are actually worse than nazis

[Anonymous No.17108796]

>>17104694
His torso looks far too long for his legs. Probably just the needlessly long t-shirt but still

>>17108121
When did he say this?

[Anonymous No.17108813]

>>17108796
>When did he say this?
they did a review of avatar like the last week. I don't know if it's a paid one if it is just pirate it.

they are right though, avatar is a maoist 3rd worlddist movie

[Anonymous No.17108818]

>>17108781
I don't think this is true, you see eg. Che Guevara t shirts and hammer and sickle flags and pins and whatnot, but you really can't put a Swastika anywhere

[Anonymous No.17108824]

>>17108156
but, unlike those movies it features a protracted people's war that defeats and expels the imperialist paper tigers

[Anonymous No.17108830]

>>17108818
a che guevara tshirt is not a sign of being a leftist and any normalfag will tell you that ackshually, hitler only killed like 6 million tops while mao killed hundred gazillion

[Anonymous No.17108841]

nothing says pseud like edgelords disregarding books written by Parenti, Wolff, Zizek, Lenin, Toscano, or some NYT leftist best seller just because they’re popular. These edgelords are afraid of leftist ideas gaining mainstream traction because it makes their little rebellion less special. They cannot into solidarity and are enemies of the revolution.

[Anonymous No.17108850]

>>17108813
I didn't realise, haven't listened to an episode in a while - I just pirate them all as well.

>avatar is a maoist 3rd worlddist movie
I don't know if I'd go that far but it's at least a critique of colonialism. I ready thinking that before falling asleep watching it. You can agree with the message of something but still find it boring as shit and Avatar had that problem because it was far too long.

[Anonymous No.17108854]

>>17108830
Che Guevara is literally a famous leftist politician, it's like having a Mussolini tshirt. If that is how normalfags feel then why do we see hammer and sickles all over eg uni campuses and protests but nobody flies the swastika unless they are really abandoning mainstream society

[Anonymous No.17108860]

>>17108841
many leftists just want their secret internet club they can't actually organize the racist rednecks like lenin did. that's why the left is so dead

[Anonymous No.17108871]

>>17108854
che guevarra t-shirts are just a consumer product it's no different from wearing a nirvana tshirt without ever having listened to them

[Anonymous No.17108875]

>>17108796
>When did he say this?

They've mentionned a couple of times over the years (especially Felix) how great a movie it was, but did a full ep on it about two weeks ago and it was just fucking disgusting.

[Anonymous No.17108883]

>>17108871
the point is that there are no Hitler tshirts in the west, at least not commonly. In non-western countries there are such Hitler paraphernalia because they don't have the same taboo against him so he appears more like someone like Che to them, just a famous historical figure.

[Anonymous No.17108897]

>>17108883
hitler is objectively evil

[Anonymous No.17108900]

>>17108875
oh shit chapo is shilling for hollywood now haha i wonder how much david cameron pledged on patreon

[Anonymous No.17108905]

>>17108883
while the communists at least in principle, fought for "human rights". there's your difference. also, the didn't lose ww2

[Anonymous No.17108907]

>>17106241
>subsequent Maoist movements outside the PRC proved the universality of Mao Zedong Thought within the framework of a Global North-South divide
Lol no. Gonzalo failed, the Naxalites are collapsing, and the NPA has been stagnant for decades. You say the right things, but you have no material basis for your ideology. Maoism is worthless.

[Anonymous No.17108918]

>>17108897
>>17108905
this is my point, the west views Hitler as uniquely evil, random places like India or Arab states don't because they have different values or perspectives

[Anonymous No.17108925]

>>17108883

Che trained the Posadists in guerrilla warfare, making him objectively better than Jesus and Marx wrapped into one.

[Anonymous No.17108937]

>>17108918
>the west views Hitler as uniquely evil
and he isn't?

[Anonymous No.17108939]

>>17108907
Maoism only existed in places were Islamism wasn't possible because they either weren't muslims or were opposing a muslim state. The Iranian Revolution was a big loss for the CIA, but ironically it signaled the end of successful communist revolutions, so it all worked out in the end.

[Anonymous No.17108940]

>>17108900
You mean James Cameron, right?

Not the former UK Prime Minister?

[Anonymous No.17108944]

>>17108918
>>17108937(me)
and don't bullshit me this isnt's /pol/

[Anonymous No.17108945]

>>17108937
It doesn't matter whether he is or not, the point is that the West views him and fascists that way, but not communists, or there would be the same taboo on them, and other countries don't.

[Anonymous No.17108965]

>>17108900

They are very likely doing it for free, which according to their own views makes them infinitely worse than those who do it for money.
At least mommy Amber wasn't in those episode, once again showing she is the only Chapo with anything coming close to common sense.

[Anonymous No.17108966]

>>17108945
try going to the eastern europe, ex communist countries went hard against communists. in poland you will be stabbed if you say you are a communist

[Anonymous No.17108976]

>>17108966
That is true, they have the same taboo against communists as nazis, maybe worse in some

[Anonymous No.17108982]

>>17108364
huge delays. however, the sequel has already completed filming. now they'll edit and wait for covid to leave

[Anonymous No.17108991]

>>17108976
but my point is, communism isn't going away because the problems it points out haven't been solved. the same way bourbon restoration couldn't destroy republicanism and liberalism. you can't just pretend the 20th century didn't happen

[Anonymous No.17108996]

>>17108965
well they have to thread the needle between folksy pop culture fat kids Just Like You dear listener, and authoritarian freaks that want to execute every small business owner who opened up a dunkin' donuts

[Anonymous No.17108998]

>>17108940
I meant what I said.

[Anonymous No.17109002]

>>17108991
Many countries today are full of people who don't like Jews and banks, so 'nazism' is not going away either, it's just repressed in the West. Regardless the point was just that communism and fascism are not treated the same way in the West, not whether this is the correct attitude or not.

[Anonymous No.17109003]

>>17108966
My mom is romanian and when she immigrated to the USA in 87 she became a communist after realizing just how shit capitalism was in comparison to even the distorted socialism of romania

[Anonymous No.17109030]

>>17109003
unironically based bunica

[Anonymous No.17109034]

>>17104296
theory is gay and a waste of time

[Anonymous No.17109035]

>>17109002
don't try to argue that blaming some evil magic cabal of wizards is a legitimate political ideology

[Anonymous No.17109048]

>>17109035
It doesn't matter whether it is or not, you are still missing the point.

[Anonymous No.17109056]

>>17108966
>>17108976
polaks hate ruskies because they got fucked by them for so long. the germans fucked them too, but the krauts got their dose of retaliatory assrape while the russians just kept on fucking for about a century, being the predominant power within the USSR. i'm pretty sure that's what that is about, more than anything

[Anonymous No.17109058]

>>17108991
communism doesn't go away because it seems to "make sense" if you're young and/or don't have a good understand of economics, lots of fallacies don't "go away" even though they are wrong

[Anonymous No.17109076]

>>17109058
>economics
a meme. economists are the modern high priests justifying the current order. tell me, where did those trillions trump-sama dumped into the red line so it stops going down came from

[Anonymous No.17109082]

>>17104320
Yeah if you think theory is Marxism.

[Anonymous No.17109090]

>>17104320
reminder that transsexualism and homosexuality are cia psyops intended to distract us from the class struggle

[Anonymous No.17109096]

>>17109076
>marxist admits no understanding of capitalism

figures

[Anonymous No.17109111]

>>17109096
will I convince you of anything if I keep arguing?

[Anonymous No.17109114]

>>17104567
There's no point in redoing Marx's analysis of value. The whole point of it was to show contradictions in the value form he believed would eventually undo the value form, but it's really proven to be antiquated at this point. There is no removing a form from existence and capitalism has already integrated the third world so what's left? Just run it until it can't run anymore. That's the only thing left. That's why Marxism is a dead current and will be continue to dead except in some sentimental form used to push policy (I'm a socialist because I'm voting for this or I hate socialism so I'm voting against this).

[Anonymous No.17109116]

>>17109111
your mom wants you to get a job.

[Anonymous No.17109127]

>>17109116
she does, and I am sending cvs. I got a call but I think I fucked it up because of autism. wish me luck /lit/bro

[Anonymous No.17109737]

>>17104296
i read theory for fun as a hobby. yeah i have no life but life is colonized by capitalists anyway