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>mfw people that are "self-educated" think they are entitled to as much respect from society as people with 2+ university degrees under their belt

>> No.1707426
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1707426

Do they really think this or do you simply project this onto them in order to feel superior even though you are obviously insecure?

>> No.1707428

http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/10/peter-thiel-were-in-a-bubble-and-its-not-the-internet-its-higher-ed
ucation/

>> No.1707429
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mfw smart people actually care what society thinks

some of the dumbest people I have known are classically conditioned through a 4 year university. Sure they recall more things, but all of the training in the world cant force them to use common sense and logic, you cant fix stupid.

Self-educated people are people that generally seek knowledge for the knowledge itself not so they can get a high salary starting job.

>> No.1707437

>autodidacticism
LOL, maybe in the 1700s

>> No.1707450

>>1707437
Yeah, this is pretty much correct--I don't see this "self-educated" group demanding respect. No one really believes that you go to university to learn anymore, either.

>> No.1707452

That depends. Some of the self-educated go on to enjoy successful careers that they brought upon themselves due to the hard work and self-learned knowledge they amassed.

Comparing that to a person who has a degree, and yet whose entire education was paid for by his parents, as well as his boarding, food, clothing, car insurance, etc. then it's easy to side with the former individual.

tl;dr: It depends on the individual person and their accomplishments, not the educational history preceding them. You're also gay.

>> No.1707460

>>1707452
>you are also gay
>implying there is something wrong with that

>> No.1707462

>>1707426
>>1707426
>>1707426
this. OP is pretentious

>> No.1707463

>>1707460
Let me edit that. "You're also a poop-head."

Better? Sheesh. You homos are so sensitive.

>> No.1707465

>>1707463
>you are also a poop head
>implying there is something wrong with that

>> No.1707467

>>1707425
http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/10/peter-thiel-were-in-a-bubble-and-its-not-the-internet-its-higher-ed
ucation/

http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2011/04/buying-an-education-or-buying-a-brand.html

Got a degree? That's great... As long as you don't have debt, too.

>> No.1707468

OP is 100% correct. I'm an M.D. and fucking hate it when patients have read a wikipedia article thinking they know everything about what they have. So fucking annoying and stupid.

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>>1707465

>> No.1707470

>>1707467
already posted shit bag

>> No.1707477

>>1707468

shouldn't you like be pleased that they're taking an active interest in their health rather than being all contemptuous and shit?

>> No.1707480

>>1707477
Honestly, no. They are objects and their self-awareness just gets in the way.

>> No.1707483

>>1707480
lol

>> No.1707484

>>1707480

lmao nice medical gaze bro

>> No.1707511

I handle HR for a fairly respected company, several of our positions require at least an Associate's degree or "equivalent experience."

Now I'm told when I get a resume and CV from someone with no college education that says they have some kind of "equivalent experience," to throw their resume and application away. I mean, they might be qualified, but we can't afford to take chances on people like that.

>> No.1707513

>>1707425
Institutional education tends to produce well versed "in the box" thinkers.

Self education tends to produce some what less refined "out of the box" types.

>> No.1707514

>>1707511

why don't you edit the listed criteria instead of having people submit cvs that will be rejected out of hand

>> No.1707523

>>1707511

If you do actually work in hiring you must admit that an AA is hardly meaningful in itself. Maybe in particular fields it does, but in IT you're still taking a chance.

>> No.1707525

>>1707523

an AA isn't generally in a field, it's just a foundational degree in arts and letters. An AS is a career-focused degree at the same level but it isn't guaranteed to transfer to a public university like an AA is.

>> No.1707527

>>1707514

Getting hired is basically a competition between the company and the potential hire to see:
1) how much you're willing to lie
2) how well you can lie
3) how little compensation you're willing to accept

By making the listed job requirements X, you only get people willing to claim to have X, even if X is total bullshit. Then you can weed people out by testing their ability to bullshit rather than just guessing based on verifiable past experience.

If you ever get a chance to work for someone that isn't going to play games like that over hiring, take it, even if the pay is lower.

>> No.1707535

>>1707527

that's fucked

sensible in a way but fucked nonetheless

>> No.1707537

>>1707525

AA/AS is the same as BA/BS. Though yeah, 4 year transfer programs usually grant an AA. The point, though, is that just an AA or AS (regardless of what it's in) is pretty iffy unless it's for nursing or something that goes directly into work experience. Most IT-related 2-year degrees don't really correlate well with what you'd get in equivalent work experience. A programmer with a 2-year degree, for instance, might well be absolutely terrible compared to someone with 2-years of professional programming experience and no degree at all.

>> No.1707569

>ITT: university graduates trying desperately to justify their education

>> No.1707585

>>1707569

education justifies itself. Read John Henry Cardinal Newman's essay on the university.

>> No.1707590

>>1707585
I'm biased- my college isn't very good. I would feel differently if my lectures were worth the tuition I pay for them.

>> No.1707635

>>1707523

Well even considered about an AA not being useful, most BAs and BSs aren't really useful either, and most other specialized Bachelor's degrees like a BFA or a BBA/BPA are so specialized as to be fairly useless outside of a specific field.

>> No.1707638

>>1707590

It's not the quality of your college or what degree you have, it's how competitive a candidate you are for the workforce while you're earning and once you have that degree.

>> No.1707658

hahaha

people still can't believe autodidacts are more successful than them

i smell jealousy and rage

>> No.1707687

>mfw trust fund kiddies think they need to respected because they have 2+ degrees in various subjects but haven't put them into any practical use

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1707707

>mfw any respectable company nowadays requires a university degree, leaving autodidacts unemployed for life

Properly educated people: 1
Autodidacts: 0

>> No.1707713

half the gods in heaven bow to me what are you

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1707724

This is a bad thread.

>> No.1707728

The inflated value of post-secondary education is directly related to the eroding labor market (for western countries)..it can't last for long though, as many graduates are finding themselves "underemployed" and therefore cheated..exclusionary "higher" education was always a matter of privilege..there has never been a real effort to democratize it, only a feigned attempt in order to swindle the middle class (and now even the lower classes)..

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>>1707713

I sincerely hope the recent escalation in your grandiose narcissism is the result of a psychotic episode which will culminate in you setting yourself on fire or something.

>> No.1707740

>>1707525
>>1707525
I fucking hate AA meetings

>> No.1707747

>>1707728

The lower classes wanting in on the game are why junior colleges offer so many cheap, two-year vocational degrees. And not to sound racist, but also part of the reason you see so many traditionally black colleges with unusually low admission standards.

>> No.1707759

>>1707747
The truth is that while these institutions cater to the lower classes, they are owned by the higher classes, and are more or less crass exploitation--promising something that can't be delivered ) Right now in the usa college attendance is skyrocketing because unemployment is up..colleges have commercials running during daytime television

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1707777

u mad

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>>1707730
>>1707777

>> No.1707784

>>1707759

getting a postcard from college asking me to donate on the same day i get a letter saying the grace period on my loans is coming up owns

>> No.1707781

>>1707730
nope. i am simply at a higher place

>> No.1707858

College, the world's most popular pyramid scam

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>>1707780

>> No.1707899

Who cares how long you went to school for? All that matters to me is whether you're an asshole or not. I know some very nice dropouts, some very douchey grad students, and vise versa.

>> No.1707906

>>1707899

Nice guys don't get hired.

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1707922

The proliferation of information is making the need for "places" of learning more and more irrelevant. Universities are largely socio-economic institutions, and will become more so in the future. Of course, you can get a good education in about any school. But it depends on how you apply yourself and not necessarily what school you go to, even though that can be a major benefit. I think auto-didactics are a more admirable group, because they are learning because they have a unquenchable thirst for knowledge instead of making good grades for future economic gains. The two are not contradictions, though. Its a false dichotomy. And both groups are as dumb as shit anyways, like the rest of us.

>> No.1707942

>>1707922
STOP BEING REASONABLE!

Yeah this makes sense only I'd add that what college gives you is the ability to discuss and grow from interaction that is much more difficult to find, even on the internet... I mean, c'mon, look at /lit/...
The obvious drawback is problems of ideology and academia's indoctrination, but that's at times only a by-product and not always internalized.

>> No.1707963

I have an A.A., a B.S. and a GIS certificate and I know for a fact that I'm entitled to more respect than the trailer trash that fixes my car.

>> No.1707965

>>1707922

I like you. I think the thread is now over.

>> No.1707966

>>1707963
>implying a man's worth is based on his education or social caste.
>Bitch.

>> No.1708014

>>1707966

>is afraid to acknowledge that some people actually are better than others on those very grounds

>> No.1708022

>>1708014
Better according to who? You?

Get some perspective, and some fucking humility while you're at it.

>> No.1708302

>>1708022

Better according to nearly everyone. No wonder you'll be left working in retail your whole life.

>> No.1708321

omg i have a degree in peace and love studies and another degree in kinesiology, i am wise in the ways of the world

>> No.1708341

>>1708302
But better for what? For society? Or just in terms of intrinsic value?

HINT: It's a trick question, both are wrong.