Philosopher without diploma

[Anonymous No.17066382]

Are there any respected and published contemporary philosophers who formed themselves and didn't go through the academy? I have the impression that even with the right level, it's incredibly hard to be listened to by the community of philosophers without an official stamp. That at best, you'll be a blogger.

[Anonymous No.17066424]

You can be an influential blogger among philosophers.
How many people even read the average philosophy paper anyways? Traditional media and forms of broadcasting are dead, and the average youtuber and successful blogger has far more reach and potency than the average academic.

[Anonymous No.17066447]

>>17066424
>You can be an influential blogger among philosophers.
omg...
>How many people even read the average philosophy paper anyways? Traditional media and forms of broadcasting are dead, and the average youtuber and successful blogger has far more reach and potency than the average academic.
quantity isn't quality

[Anonymous No.17066466]

philosophy became a joke after the Hellenistic period and remains a joke today. legitimately does but matter if you have a degree or not, your "work" is useless

[Anonymous No.17066469]

>>17066466
I don't agree, there are gems, you have to know how to find them.

[Anonymous No.17066486]

>>17066447
Do you think most academics are producing quality work in an academic environment?
Academic philosophy is not the philosophy you think of when you think of philosophy, and if you were in a university you'd be constantly producing busywork for your superiors. If you have profound thoughts, write them down and publish them. If its a subject to academics, those academics will in all likelyhood stumble onto your blog on their own and, if it is profound and well reasoned, respond to the issues in their own academic work (which will be maybe skimmed by 3 people).
I think you are just not as deep as you think you are. You don't love thought, you just love the thought of having a placard that says "Philosopher" on it.

[Anonymous No.17066525]

>>17066486
>Do you think most academics are producing quality work in an academic environment?
no, but still
difficult to make progress in a field of study if you are not even listened to and confronted by your peers
>Academic philosophy is not the philosophy you think of when you think of philosophy,
I know the deplorable state of academic philosophy, but I maintain that there are also some really interesting people doing the work, and interesting journals/papers regularly.
>If you have profound thoughts, write them down and publish them.
where, how
>onto your blog
...
> if it is profound and well reasoned, respond to the issues in their own academic work (which will be maybe skimmed by 3 people).
so my future is to hope to be interesting enough to be plagiarized?
>I think you are just not as deep as you think you are.
I don't think I'm deep

[Anonymous No.17066541]

>>17066486
Anons like this guy sincerely believe that university forces your brain onto a set of rails. When actually, an academic program only teaches you how to close read, cite arguments, synthesize them, and use a database. The misconceptions are embarrassing and I pity people who take the autodidact pill. The usual responses--"no one reads academia, you sold your intellect to administrators, you're a bitch of the establishment"--ressmble the whinging last cries of animals being swallowed by a forest fire. Name one well-cited philosopher who didn't have any university training. No one's answered this challenge yet.

[Anonymous No.17066553]

>>17066541
>I pity people who take the autodidact pill
i can't go to the academy for personal reasons anon, i would have loved to study philosophy

[Anonymous No.17066572]

>>17066553
>personal reasons
Like what, being too poor? Or did you rape someone lmao

[Anonymous No.17066576]

>>17066572
>Like what, being too poor?
yes

[Anonymous No.17066584]

Yo, related question, can you get a book on morality published if you have no philosophical education or prior publications? Self-made moralfag here.

[Anonymous No.17066587]

>>17066576
My condolences bro. I'm under the poverty line as well. Never spent a dime tho because respectable private unis give out full rides like candy. You'll make it someday

[Anonymous No.17066594]

>>17066584
Sure, just publish it under the self-help genre lel. Serious answer, no. Look at molymeme

[Anonymous No.17066596]

>>17066587
thanks anon, you too

[Anonymous No.17066601]

>>17066594
Molymeme had one semi-valid idea and managed to get it out pretty confidently, that's what makes me think I can make the cut in the first place.

[Anonymous No.17066606]

>>17066601
Yeah, he got it out and then got dunked on by anyone who cared. He got btfo by some master's student, probably the most qualified individual who's ever given a shit about him

[Anonymous No.17066622]

>>17066541
>Name one well-cited philosopher who didn't have any university training.
lmao.

[Anonymous No.17066647]

>>17066622
Yeah?

[Anonymous No.17066689]

>>17066382
>didn't go through the academy?
I'd say there were plenty of philosophers who didn't earn a degree in philosophy, but I don't know of any who avoided university in general. The feedback you get on your writing and thinking is priceless, even if it's some dumbass marketing and PR essay. Which leads me into the topic of money - unless your long-term career vision is something like a cashier or competitive djembe player, a type of university/college education can be incorporated into your professional path, even if a mere major in business and administration.
Not pushing you, just telling you to not lose hope.

>>17066647
Socrates.
Joke. Just joking.

[Anonymous No.17067084]

How has no one mentioned diogenese

[Anonymous No.17067133]

>>17066466
Philosophy became a joke after it became an academic subject with next to no practical usages in everyday life, which occurred during the Enlightenment. While there are some good philosophers like Feyerabend in the modern era, most of them that exist or existed based their philosophy on medieval or ancient Greek philosophy so it was bound to be more meaningful than the drek that comes out of philosophy departments now.

[Anonymous No.17067142]

Reza Negarestani

[Anonymous No.17067147]

>>17066382
There are no respected contemporary philosophers, period.

[Anonymous No.17067155]

>>17066382
Another question: is psychology a satisfactory subsitute for philosophy?

[Anonymous No.17067173]

>>17067155
The closest I've seen psychology to approximate philosophy was unironically Jordan Peterson and people associated to him. So if you like meta-cognition, psychology of religions etc, sure, that can work as a philosophy of sorts.

[Anonymous No.17067180]

>>17066382
Didn't Schopenhauer loathe philosophy classes and took everything but philosophy during his time in university?

[Anonymous No.17067247]

>>17067173
What if I am interested in Carl Jung and RAW?

[Anonymous No.17067297]

>>17067247
What's RAW?
Carl Jung is one of those cases where he mixes up two cool things (psychology and mysticism/mystical philosophy) and the result is only cool for those who are into both. If you're just into psychology, you're going to damn Jung for his descriptions of archetypes and the mind, which are increasingly esoteric with his age. If you're into philosophy of religion or mysticism, you're going to damn him for a very psychologizing take on everything, though of course, it's not as bad as Freud's "tis a dick".

Here's what Jung is good for:
>> if you're trying to connect some dots on symbolism
He dove deep into alchemy, mythology, dreams etc.,
>> self-help
I've read his writings on masculinity, pretty insightful
>> starting out with non-materialist view of the world
Jung will guide you pretty far in phenomenological view of the world - if you're trying to not see the universe as a set of particles, but as a web of experiences, you can find his writings useful. But since he does go back to psychologizing a lot, you're going to need to abandon him at some point and move on to others. I'm hopefully getting "Susanne Langer - Philosophy in a New Key: A Study in the Symbolism of Reason, Rite, and Art" for Xmas, I'll let you know if it's a way to go from Jung onwards.

[Anonymous No.17067315]

>>17067297
>What's RAW?
RAW NUTS jk not him

[Anonymous No.17067343]

>it's another "How do I get famous without doing any hard work" thread

[Anonymous No.17067379]

>>17066382
TJ Kirk

[Anonymous No.17067451]

>>17066541
>Anons like this guy sincerely believe that university forces your brain onto a set of rails
I'm a stemlord in postdoc hell and university definitely forces you to churn out nonsense on fashionable topics while ignoring the big picture as well as staying far away from anything resembling a dead end due to fear of career death, even though it might lead to something after years of work. Are you saying humanities can afford to just not publish for years lol

[Anonymous No.17067695]

>>17066382
guy debord

[Anonymous No.17067757]

>>17066541
Go back

[Anonymous No.17067802]

Based

[Anonymous No.17067906]

>>17066382
Of course there is anon, without a doubt. Philosophy is love of knowledge and as we all know you dont have to be in university to love or have desire to study knowledge. You obviously wont get the oerks the “professionals” get because unless you get a big break and somehow get something out there thats well received, nobody will take you in to get paid/funded and you’ll be on you’re own. However depending on who you are and your goals, you dont give a fuck about that and you rightfully shouldnt. Do what others do and get a day job and write on your own. Dont worry about being well received, remembered, or even successful. Thats not the point, just put thoughts into paper and if you get a chance to publish or something, good for you this is your chance! If not then whatever, you shouldn’t want approval anyway especially in our current society, either leave it as one of your belongings to be passed down, forgotten, or self publish.

[Anonymous No.17069394]

Is it even worth going to grad school for philosophy anymore? The infamous Husserl copypasta scares me but part of me feels like I’ll always feel regret for not “following my passion”

[Anonymous No.17069422]

>>17066382
>That at best, you'll be a blogger.
No, at best you’ll have a PhD and be taken seriously only by “academics” who got their positions by playing silly games and socializing and if you ever dissent from their mainstream opinion, they will no longer take you seriously regardless of your degree so pick your poison.

You want my advice? I think it’s worthless but it’s not the worst thing to pursue the degrees and just get them out of the way. A masters even would expose you to formal graduate research so the crowd of over-socialized losers can take you seriously if that’s what you really want.

[Anonymous No.17069429]

>>17069394
What would make something “worth it” or “not worth it” in your view?

[Anonymous No.17069433]

>>17066541
>Anons like this guy sincerely believe that university forces your brain onto a set of rails.
They do.

t. Academiafaggot

[Anonymous No.17070144]

>>17069429
I just want to have a meaningful career while not being totally fucked over financially.

[Anonymous No.17070429]

>Are there any respected and published contemporary philosophers who formed themselves and didn't go through the academy
yeah all the intellectuals on this board

[Anonymous No.17070513]

>>17066541
Plato

[Anonymous No.17070669]

I have seen Eliezer Yudkowsky referred to as a philosopher and referenced by PhD’ed philosophers. I don’t think he has a degree.

[Anonymous No.17071675]

>>17070144
You have to be more clear. What makes something a meaningful career? If that means taken seriously by academics, yes go. If it doesn’t, you don’t have to.

[Anonymous No.17072481]

>>17066382
Vilem Flusser.

[Anonymous No.17072508]

>>17066382
that one German philosopher who was a shoemaker