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>One could know all the physical facts about the brain and not know what it's like to see the colour red.
>Then what it's like to see the colour red isn't a physical fact.
>Therefore, materialism is false.

>> No.17036684

>>17036679
tldr?

>> No.17036695

>>17036679
You need to read more than ten pages before jumping to wild conclusions about Merleau-Ponty. Come back in like 600 pages when you finish the book

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>>17036695

> The blind color scientist argument comes from Merleau-Ponty

Euh, quoi?

>> No.17036747

>>17036679
why do people where those shirts? it's not just an internet meme I've seen people wear them IRL multiple times. why do they need to virtue signal so bad?

>> No.17036751

>>17036726
Using the colour red is. If OP said blue, you probably would have to space like Reddit for the ensuing conversation. I bet if you saw an OP saying the same thing and concluding circles don't exist you'd also assume it was an Archimedes thread.

>> No.17036765

>>17036747

They have (poorly) chosen to let science defines their entire valuation system. Both their value and their values. Since they are dumb, they have little value to science, and are thus forced into publicity roles. Since science is incapable of providing them the values they request from it, they lack the means to realize how subhuman they end up being.

>> No.17036781

>>17036747
Because people wear like wearing their political identity in digestible easy to read t shirts. Its peak Americanism.

>> No.17036802

>>17036781
I don't think it is just "political identity". More of an obsession with embodying some type of identity in general (In this case it's just the pro-science/science is cool identity).

>> No.17036825

>>17036679
Why is 'what it is like to witness the colour red' assumed to be automatically be new knowledge, and not just Mary discovering a new ability to see colour?

>> No.17036840

>>17036679
That's true of any knowlege by description. The map is not the territory, the menu is not the meal. Conscious experience is derived by acquaintance. The argument from physicalism is that without those physical facts you cannot have the experience of red, not that the facts and the red are identical.

>> No.17036852

>>17036825
Most philosophers now reject that "know-how" (ability) is distinct from regular propositional knowledge.

But the color argument is a kinda cringe way of expressing something which doesn't quite seem amenable to expression. Jackson later became a representationalist.

>> No.17036872

>OP could know all the physical facts about sexual intercourse but still be a virgin forever
>Then what it's like to have sex isn't a physical fact
>Therefore, materialism is false

>> No.17036874

>>17036802
Its politics, its got the Gay Rainbow (TM).

>> No.17037575

>>17036679
Isn't this just Leibniz' Mill? Someone confirm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz%27s_gap