/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17030766]

What inherent advantages do books have over more immersive mediums like VNs and games?

[Anonymous No.17030776]

>poorly drawn anime tits and public domain background music
>immersive

[Anonymous No.17030778]

perfect reflection, you can advance in the work at your pace, go back anytime you want, thats why its the deepest medium intellectually, but its not very visceral compared to games, reading is really not visceral at all.

[Anonymous No.17030786]

You get to imagine all the women as traps and futas

[Anonymous No.17030788]

Books aren't limited by software compatibilities, off-hand concerns like game design, voice acting, etc. The imagination does everything good graphics, voice acting, etc. can do but better anyway, so no books and games are not inherently more immersive, unless you're one of those heathens who can't imagine for shit because your brain is fried from overstimulation.


To expand on my initial point. If you want to read an old book you can just download it. To play an old game you have to dig up and emulator and hope it works on your machine, isn't subject to crazy ass glitches, needing patches, etc.

tl;dr read faggot

[Anonymous No.17030794]

>>17030766
Games need gameplay, and interactivity doesn't suit all stories. Visual novels are just shitty books with anime drawings.

[Anonymous No.17030821]

>>17030766
I think it's that books have been filtered through the centuries so the ones you're told to read represent peak human experience. When you consume games etc you're the filter... there might be something on the same level as the greatest books, but you're mostly going to waste your time on irrelevant garbage. If you care about that sort of thing.

Then of course there's the imagination argument, that if you're not a brainlet you can imagine a world far better than what makes it through the PC/Chinese pandering filter of game devs.

If you are a brainlet though you should keep playing your VNs.

[Anonymous No.17030832]

>>17030766
I see that you are a fellow Chad connoisseur of western-style trap hentai OP

[Anonymous No.17030834]

>>17030778
If your mind's eye isn't better than a VN, God help you

[Anonymous No.17030840]

>>17030821
>he only reads old books
Pleb and dilettante-pilled

[Anonymous No.17030841]

>>17030834
I dont mean rendering, I mean something like playing MGS and being on the verge of detection and alarms, having to think on ur feet and make fast decisions, totally different realm of experience than book can provide.

[Anonymous No.17030847]

>>17030841
No way! Really?!

[Anonymous No.17030864]

>>17030841
True, it's easy to pull out of book immersiom, harder with a movie, even harder with a game. It's no wonder theatre has been around as long as books have

[Anonymous No.17030869]

literature encapsulates the best ideas and experiences of human civilization. games and VNs are vapid playthings.

[Anonymous No.17030872]

>>17030832
Shhh

[Anonymous No.17030884]

>>17030776
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.17030892]

>>17030766
Books are fucking cool, weeb shit is not.

[Anonymous No.17030893]

>>17030869
>literature encapsulates the best ideas and experiences of human civilization

[Anonymous No.17030895]

>>17030893
That looks like a pretty good experience to me

[Anonymous No.17030896]

>>17030893
what does pic related have to do with literature?

[Anonymous No.17030897]

>>17030896
His point is that there is shit books too, same as there are shit games and shit VNs

[Anonymous No.17030899]

>>17030893

[Anonymous No.17030905]

>>17030897
his point is retarded, because literature and books do not mean the same thing

[Anonymous No.17030907]

>>17030905
Well OP was asking about books

[Anonymous No.17030909]

>>17030907
OP's question is retarded too. not my problem.

[Anonymous No.17030923]

>>17030766
>>17030897
The best VNs are still genre fiction tier. I say this as a fan of the genre. OP, start reading good books, that's the only way you'll understand.

[Anonymous No.17030928]

>>17030766
Hey look it's The Sphere Hunter from the youtube channel The Sphere Hunter.

[Anonymous No.17030966]

>>17030766
I think it’s quite funny how they call them “novels”. In reality, both visual novels and light novels lean more to comic book than novel.

[Anonymous No.17030970]

>>17030884
me

[Anonymous No.17030974]

>>17030840
>reading anything that came after 1850

[Anonymous No.17030975]

>>17030966
light novels have only occasional images, they're closer to illustrated novels than comics

[Anonymous No.17030986]

>>17030766
This is cropped from gay hentai

[Anonymous No.17030989]

>>17030975
It’s not about the images. It’s the fact the writing is like 8th grade reading level. It’s a solid step below YA. Maybe it’s just the ones I read but idk.

[Anonymous No.17030992]

>>17030986
>we both knew that
We're too far, bro

[Anonymous No.17031063]

>>17030766
>books require you to actively engage in the text mentally and emotionally
>trying to argue this isn't more immersive and demanding to the psyche than a constant stream of stimuli shoved down your throat

[Anonymous No.17031077]

>>17030893
You only post a bad book to mock us, because you know you will be mocked moreso by posting what you consider an excellent game that can compete with the best of literature.

[Anonymous No.17031110]

>>17030766
>>17030986
>>17030992
Gay Rights ruined a whole generation of children raised on digital simulacrum.

[Anonymous No.17031222]

>>17030766
Books are vastly more immersive, so wrong your premise does be.

[Anonymous No.17031369]

>>17030766
I don't think video games are inherently a lower form of art than literature is. That being said as far as I know there are no video games that are on the same level as the best books right now. This is because video games are more a product than they are art. It is a team of people working for a company who are being paid to make a product that will turn a profit. Good literature on the other hand is created as an artistic expression, or to convey thoughts an opinions. If an artist or intellectual wants to share their ideas, the easiest form of doing so is through literature. As a result books tend to have more depth and value than a video game.
The target demographics of video games and books also affect this. Video games are made for a younger audience of children and young adults, whereas literature is usually written for educated adults. As a result you don't see video games being made that are any better than YA fiction.
It also helps that there are thousands of years of literary history, compared to around 40 years of video games.

[Anonymous No.17031411]

>>17030788
everrything a book can do, a videogame can do. books are limited to text. videogames can use text, and also have more tools available.

It's only a matter of time until we get a shakespear of videogames.

[Anonymous No.17031421]

>>17031411
already happened with Doom II, it's been 30 years of darkness since

[Anonymous No.17031429]

>>17031369
The fact that videogames are mostly made for profit by a cultural industry doesn't mean that art videogames cannot possibly exist. It's just a matter of time, you idiots. There's nothing inherently lower or childish about videogames, or interactive experiences. They are the inevitable evolution of written media.

[Anonymous No.17031438]

>>17031421
No, no. I don't mean a really good game. I mean a game that pushes the boundaries of games and is not a game anymore. It is an interactive digital experience mediated by text (code).

[Anonymous No.17031439]

>>17031369
>Good literature on the other hand is created as an artistic expression
That is, until your publisher tells you that you need to include more gay niggers

[Anonymous No.17031450]

>>17031411
>books are limited to text
But text is not limited like software is. It is infinitely portable and the best literature maintains a timeless quality to live on through the centuries.

[Anonymous No.17031455]

>>17031439
What's wrong with gay niggers you fucking racist bitch. Go back to the KKK meeting with your alcoholic dad.

[Anonymous No.17031460]

>>17031411
>everrything a book can do, a videogame can do.
Yes, with an additional superfluity that detracts from the firm wholeness you get from reading literature.
>It's only a matter of time until we get a shakespear of videogames.
Delusional retard.
>>17031421
I can't tell if these posts are satire or sincerely written from some weed smoking junkie that still watches 90s cartoons and listens to Heavy Metal.

[Anonymous No.17031472]

>>17031438
>Doom
>good
lol. Literally the Call of Duty for millennials.

[Anonymous No.17031483]

>>17031450
Opera combined poetry, dance, and theatre.

The same way, videogames will someday combine literature, cinematography and *games*. (And music, and poetry, and thatre, and everything).


Nietzsche opens his critique of modern artistic culture with a fierce attack on opera, which he sees as a completely degenerate form of music. The three elements of opera that he finds offensive can be defined as follows. First, opera, as a recitative art, combines text with music in such a way that the music must always be slave to the text. Second, opera champions an idyllic conception of primitive man that sooths us with its quaintness but that cannot satisfy our metaphysical needs. Third, opera suggests that every man is an artist, and thus it must cater to the cheerful tastes of the laity.

[Anonymous No.17031500]

>>17031472
People will shit on you for saying that but it's actually true.

[Anonymous No.17031503]

>>17031483
Videogames already do combine those things, but rarely in a masterful way. If you really want the best each medium has to offer, go to the pure forms.

[Anonymous No.17031506]

>>17031483
Well said. The Gesamtkunstwerk is indeed a flawed convention.

[Anonymous No.17031526]

>>17031483
I'm confused, are you arguing for or against video games? See:
>>17031503

[Anonymous No.17031539]

>>17031472
call of duty was a millenial game retard

[Anonymous No.17031553]

>>17030766
I WANT TO COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

[Anonymous No.17031557]

The idea that some VN or game is more immersive is wrong. Books are far more immersive once you release your mind to them.

Also: good writing.

[Anonymous No.17031559]

>>17030766
do both of them have dicks?

[Anonymous No.17031564]

>>17031539
Late Millennial, but not early. Early millennials were definitely playing Doom on their school computers at 10-12 years old.

[Anonymous No.17031569]

>>17031411
We will never get it because good writers just write books. In fact, videogames have only gotten worse as they copy film shit.

[Anonymous No.17031589]

I want a game like Elona without the autistic japshit number crunch and good. Until then video games will be shit in my eyes.

[Anonymous No.17031599]

>>17031559
Yes, and they most certainly have anal sex on a regular basis.

[Anonymous No.17031607]

I´m not saying current videogames are on level with literature, you can´t compare those. As you wouldn´t compare a song to a book.

I´m just saying videogames as a medium have the potential, and will inevitably, become more than games.

It´s like the tools of interactive fiction have only been used so far for power fantasies and ludic mechanics, with rewards, etc. But they will be used in another, more artistic and free way. Someday in the next 20-50 years.

[Anonymous No.17031634]

>>17031500
>People will shit on you for saying that but it's actually true.
Only nostalgiafaggots and zoomers that ate up their "Doom is a sublime masterpiece" narrative without any understanding of the context which they speak will disagree with me.

[Anonymous No.17031679]

>>17030788
in the ideal, you can actually live and decide as a character in a video game. There is nothing more immersive than that, though books always have the most ethereal quality of imagination, next to music

[Anonymous No.17031738]

>>17031679
Putting myself into the mind of the author, who can be a man of our time or from centuries ago, experiencing his thoughts, feelings, and vision of the world, is far more immersive and edifying than choosing my character's dick size.