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What's the difference between Daoism and Taoism?

The only difference I can see is that Firefox thinks that I spelled Daoism wrong. Ni shenme shihou dao?

>> No.1703009

stupid

>> No.1703010

Taoism and Daoism is the same thing, different spellling.

>> No.1703453

你是一个笨蛋

>> No.1703457

很傻很天真

>> No.1703459

The difference is if one uses the current or the former pinyin to spell it.
The other difference is that with one of them I kick your ass and smoke a cigarette, and with the other I smoke a cigarette and kick your ass.

>> No.1703470

One is Pinyin and the other Wade-Giles.

>> No.1703517

It depends on the transliteration you're using. Chinese is such a complicated language that there are at least two completely different systems for translating it into English.

>> No.1703526

the "d" and the "t." its so obvious, man.

>> No.1703541

first rule of daosim:
you do not speak of daosim
- daodejing, 1st passaage

>> No.1703547

>>1703541
second rule of daoism:
"You do NOT speak of daoism."

>> No.1703564

>>1703547
actually it is there are no rules

>> No.1703571

THE DAOISm THE mAOISm THE YING AND THE YANG

I LIKE CHINESE

[SPOILER] THEY ONLY COmE UP TO YOUR KNEEEES[/SPOILER]

>> No.1703572

>>1703564
youre breaking the first rule asshole

>> No.1703576

>>1703572
hahahhahaha

i am the leading thinker of taoism in the world actually.

>> No.1703578

>>1703564
i always wondered if the greatest taoist is the one who never read the tao te ching.

also, tao te ching,
>tao teach-ing
>tao teaching.

>> No.1703579

>mfw people can't grasp difference between naming as pointing and Naming as defining, general theory of moments relativity and other amazing philosophical insights.

>> No.1703580

did someone /tell/ you guys not to /talk/ about taoism?

>> No.1703582

>>1703576
no i am

>> No.1703585

>>1703578
it's 道德经
but originally 德道经

道 = methods
德 = virtues

methods of virtue against virtues of method.

>> No.1703588

>>1703576
>implying daoists value thought
a paradox is what you are saying

>> No.1703590

>>1703585
method = methodology for those hurring too >>1703588
since i am the leader of this little movement i call the shots. it values thought but not empty thought.

>> No.1703592

>>1703585
nice simplified, noob
also, "methods"?? really?

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>>1703590
cool story, bro

>> No.1703596

>>1703590
*much after too

>> No.1703597

>>1703592
yap. methods. also, simplified is superior lol tradition for tradition's sake. get with the times.

>> No.1703601

>since i am the leader of this little movement i call the shots
i dont even know what youre trying to say anymore,
but i sense a false prophet.

>> No.1703610

>>1703601
when someone who does not believe in leaders use that word in some seemingly genuine sense, maybe her definition is a bit different from yours.

>> No.1703611

>>1703597
>tradition for tradition's sake
we are discussing the fucking Dao De Jing here. Of course traditional should be used. Theres a reason why any chinese classics majors or caligraphy majors all use traditional.
simplified is Maos castration of Chinas greatest artform.

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>>1703611
are you retarded or something lol.

btw superior work

>> No.1703619

>>1703615
oh hey. that book is in traditional. well ill be damned.

>> No.1703626

>>1703615
anyway, being an asshole over the internet aside, i am curious as to your background, if youve studied daosim in any academic sense or anything? or just an enthusiastic?

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>>1703626
i am multitude

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>>1703637
whatever man.

>> No.1703659

when christ says, i am son of god, did he say you are not.

something from smullyan

>> No.1703667

>>1703659
When I say I'm deep&edgy I sure as hell am implying other people aren't

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1703670

from the translation of 'you do not talk about taoism' as a rule, there seems to be a paradox of self reference. the resolution to this paradox is pretty simple, no rule is sufficient to contain taoism, no name is sufficient to contain its subject matter or output. the idea is precisely concerning the limits and potential of philosophical reflection and that is the ETHICS of reflection, which when described by its results (rules, methods, laws, simply put, the way [of doing, of...entirely receptive to nature and experience here] can be understood as methods, but not in a limiting or defining sense.

the original is way more elegant. you idiots of course don't understand LOL

>> No.1703671

>>1703667
but are you always deep&edgy.

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>>1703667

goddamn but tripfags are retarded

>> No.1703682

>>1703670
thats an awful lot of big words for such a simple and self-evident concept.

but hey, if thats what gets you off

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1703683

>>1703675

>> No.1703685

>>1703682
silence.

>> No.1703686

>>1703682
let's see you put it any more succinctly

>> No.1703689

>>1703683
This post truly *was* both deep, and edgy.

>> No.1703693

>>1703686
its merely a warning, a disclaimer, that readers shouldnt live by the words in the book, and that any attempt of words to describe the dao will be incomplete at best.
again, it fucking says it best: "the dao that can be spoken is not the true dao"
self-evident man.

>> No.1703699

>>1703693
okay you get marks for trying lil buddy

*pats on head*

>> No.1703701

>>1703683
what a lovely image to post on 4chan of all places. seems more relevant for facebook in my opinion.

>> No.1703702

>>1703693
that's less elegant than mine tbh. i got them standards of deciding which is actually the true dao (lOOL) in there isolated and you dont.

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>>1703699

>> No.1703706

>>1703702
however "accurate" your definition may be, from a logician point of view (which is quite contrary to discussion of daosim at all), elegant it is not.

>> No.1703708

>>1703706
nope. your thing has too little content.

>> No.1703709

threads like these are why they say not to talk about it

>> No.1703711

>>1703708
welcome to doasim

>> No.1703717

>>1703711
well, no.

>> No.1703722

>>1703717
you are one intellectual son-of-a-bitch
meaning, entirely against-the-Dao

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>>1703722
i am the chooser of treasures, and only the treasures are real to me.
[thus, only that which is of value in taoism is taoism. ]

>> No.1703726

>>1703722
look at this dogmatic idiot

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>>1703726

>> No.1703739

>>1703726
you contribute nothing but your ignorance to this thread, you tripfag fuck.

>> No.1703744
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>>1703739

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>>1703744
>>1703726
>>1703725
>>1703708
>>1703699
>>1703686
>>1703683
>>1703667
>>1703597
>>1703585
>>1703579
>>1703571

Look at all these wannabe bodhisattvas, trying to make they way in the world of dust.

>> No.1703772

>>1703770
but i am a buddha

>> No.1703773

>>1703770

sorry for this post, I was just reminded of how beautiful chulpan was and I think I've left the dao for her

>> No.1703777

>>1703772

Subhuti, though the common tripfags accept egoity as real, the Tathagata declares that ego is not different from nonego. Subhuti, tohse whom the Tathagata reffered to as "tripfags" are not really tripfags; such is merely a name.

>> No.1703781

>>1703777
>egoity
the declaration of i am god is the most humble statement. only the most humble can do dat.

you have a lot to learn dohohohoHO

>> No.1703797

>>1703770
okay buddy, excuse me while I continue being buddha nature

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1703801

>this thread