PARZIVAL

[Anonymous No.17008166]

Why do we never discuss Wolfram von Eschenbachs Parzival?

[Anonymous No.17008217]

>mobs the flor with Miguel de Ceevantes


Hehe nothing el personello, amigo

[Anonymous No.17008259]

>>17008166
Does anyone here 1. speak German and 2. is familiar with Chrétien de Troyes' version as well?
I have a question, but it's not worth posting otherwise

[Anonymous No.17008264]

>>17008259
1. Yes
2. No

[Anonymous No.17008269]

>>17008259
I’ve read some of Hartmann’s stuff and know a bit about Middle High German. Ask away and maybe I can help you.

[Anonymous No.17008314]

>>17008259
>>17008264
>>17008269
Here goes, 1/2

[Anonymous No.17008324]

>>17008314
2/2
I found this interpretation very interesting, but it obviously doesn't apply to Wolfram von Eschenbach's take, since the fisher king's castle isn't desolate but on the contrary opulent, since there hasn't been a mass of knights visiting before Parzival, and since Parzival not asking the Mitleidsfrage was precisely the problem, etc.
Does someone have an idea why he might have changed it in this way?

[Anonymous No.17008381]

>>17008324
Sorry, no idea. But you could check out b-ok for Parsifal/Wolfram handbooks and student editions. Do you read the Middle High German originals as well?

[Anonymous No.17008569]

>>17008314
>>17008324
Keine Ahnung, habe es nicht gelesen. Überlege es zu kaufen und wollte mir vorher ein paar Eindrücke über das Buch hier einholen.

[Anonymous No.17008637]

>>17008381
I will have a look into it more on occasion and maybe make a thread if I come up with a clever interpretation. I'm pretty ill right now so I'm just shitposting from bed for the most part.
>Do you read the Middle High German originals as well?
I do. I like to get bilingual editions so I can peek in the modern German if something is unclear, but I've mostly gotten used to the Middle High German by now.

>>17008569
Auf jeden Fall ein sehr interessantes Buch, und auch wunderbar geschrieben. Wenn du dir die zweisprachige Reclamausgabe holst, hat es hinten interessante historische Bemerkungen und Ansätze zur Interpreration. Dieser Unterschied wird aber nicht erwähnt, soweit ich mich erinnere.

[Anonymous No.17008816]

>>17008637
Uniprof meinte mal, dass die Übersetzung von Peter Knecht in der roten DeGruyter Studienausgabe die Beste sein soll...

[Anonymous No.17008833]

>>17008816
Ach so, kann natürlich sein. Ich lese vor allem in der MHD Fassung und schaue nur bei Unklarheiten in die Übersetzung, darum mag ich die zweisprachigen Ausgaben.
Was studierst du den so?

[Anonymous No.17008860]

It's long, it probably doesn't have a good english translation and it's also too old for the HS crowd that occupies /lit/.

[Anonymous No.17008900]

>>17008166
Very good book, I always cry when thinking about it

[Anonymous No.17009350]

>>17008833
Same here.
Lehramt. *hust*

[Anonymous No.17009854]

>>17008166
Because it’s absolute shit

[Anonymous No.17010079]

>>17009854
You havent read it you piece of shit

[Anonymous No.17010097]

>>17010079
I did, it was complete garbage, only 30 pages were actually about Parzival himself, the rest was about Gawain simping for some bitch and getting dommed by her. The first 100 and last 100 are random vignettes about his father and brother.

[Anonymous No.17010139]

>>17010097
Pleb, you got filtered

[Anonymous No.17010413]

Oh, but we do

[Anonymous No.17011791]

>>17010097
While this is true, the book is still a very good knight's tale

[Anonymous No.17011831]

>>17008259
Not 1., but 2., definitely. I'm familiar with both Chretien's and Wolfram's versions of the story. There's definitely more of a "theological" aspect to Chretien's version of the story, whereas Wolfram's is more of a pure knight's tale, albeit with the omnipresence of Christianity as is expected for the time.

Also Wolfram's version has the benefit of actually being finished, whereas Chretien's is not.