/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16991386]

I saw this in a bookstore today and was curious. Didn't want to buy it so I researched it and got the gist. It's all about the rise of men on the internet feeding eachother hate.

I don't want to read this but I think I have changed because of the internet. I don't respect women any more whereas in the past I would put them on a pedestal. I look back and think about all the women I could have taken advantage of and feel like these days I honestly couldn't care less and would probably go as far as to rape a girl if she was hot enough and I thought I could reasonably get away with it in court. Any books to cure these bad thoughts?

[Anonymous No.16991387]

>>16991386
The book is called men who hate women by Laura bates BTW.

[Anonymous No.16991398]

>>16991386
>I don't want to read this but I think I have changed because of the internet. I don't respect women any more whereas in the past I would put them on a pedestal.
Good, pic related was written by a dumb feminist butthurt that men are starting to wake up
>Any books to cure these bad thoughts?
Imagine policing your own thoughts because some stupid foid wrote a book, the absolute state of liberalism

[Anonymous No.16991403]

>>16991386
>I don't respect women any more whereas in the past I would put them on a pedestal.
Not looking forward to these dumb (You)s, but that's just two different ways of not showing respect.

[Anonymous No.16991406]

>>16991386
Books aren’t the answer to everything contrary to /lit/ beliefs Go outside, talk to people. Endure through the anxiety until you can actually hear what they are saying.

[Anonymous No.16991445]

>>16991403
Yeah so I guess I've never respected women in my life.

[Anonymous No.16991465]

>>16991398
>Imagine policing your own thoughts because some stupid foid wrote a book, the absolute state of liberalism

I'm extremely impressionable and a lot of the media I consume talks about shit like your pic and I've become more and more bitter towards women. I acknowledged this before seeing that book

[Anonymous No.16991484]

puas are kind of cringe but saying they hate women is unfair. They just want sex, not different from chads on tinder.

[Anonymous No.16991486]

>>16991386
Look at it this way. Women are guardians of the gene pool. If it was up to us, every spastic male would create the same number of offspring as viable males. We’d go extinct in a few generations.

[Anonymous No.16991537]

>>16991486
I don't know I feel like we're on track to go extinct anyway. Women are attracted to money and status in many fields that don't seem to do a service to humankind.

[Anonymous No.16991578]

Want a real black pill? women are not only in the majority on the internet, dominating all major social media bar LinkedIn, but women are also responsible for the majority of misogynistic comments on social media You're obviously slacking.

[Anonymous No.16991674]

>>16991537
They are selecting within the confines of the world that we created for them. It’s not their fault that we created a shitty hypercapitalistic world. They are just reinforcing the bullshit that we started.

[Anonymous No.16991697]

>>16991674
Women have agency too, they created the world as well

[Anonymous No.16991713]

>>16991406
going outside made me even more misogynistic and racist

[Anonymous No.16991763]

>>16991674
Poor bait but capitalism has nothing to do with it, women are biologically hypergamous and will only mate with top males in absence of social norms and constraints

[Anonymous No.16991808]

Every woman I have ever talked to with a good father was, honestly, a good person. Otherwise they are contemptible in many aspect. Example, my gf was molested by her father at an early age and had an absent mom that always worked nights. She's a sweet girl, but she has a fuck ton of problems. This is the modern woman. Although, I can't say too much about the quality of men nowadays too.

[Anonymous No.16991853]

>>16991484
Why do you think puas are cringe? As a pro pua I want to hear your reasoning.

[Anonymous No.16991863]

>>16991398
What's with incels and charts? You know they are severely flawed, and don't indicate very much about interpersonal relations?

[Anonymous No.16991876]

>>16991386
>whereas in the past I would put them on a pedestal.
Good thing you got that shit cured.

>would probably go as far as to rape a girl if she was hot enough
Whew, lad. Chill wit it.

>>16991808
>Every woman I have ever talked to with a good father was, honestly, a good person. Otherwise they are contemptible in many aspect.
Fucking this.

[Anonymous No.16991888]

>>16991863
>dont trust statistical data, trust my personal anecdotes instead

[Anonymous No.16991903]

>>16991386
Just stay out of echo-chambers and form your own opinions. Women aren't evil or shallow. Black people aren't either. Unironically go outside. Join a group, make some friends.

People will say blah blah blah trust your instincts, but that gives you a very nartow representation of human thought, and it's always flawed. Humans aren't made to live within their head entertaining delusions. All people are shit, but you find some that you jive with if you try. The internet is toxic as fuck, you aren't cool or impressive cause you harbor shitty thoughts lmao

[Anonymous No.16991905]

>>16991888
I mean, you could make your own mind up.
Instead of adopting a worldview due to a narrow study of online dating sites.

[Anonymous No.16991941]

>>16991903
Go back tο reddit

[Anonymous No.16991957]

>>16991941
Truth hurts bitch. I've been here longer than I care to admit. Well adjusted people are the eternal white pill that obliterated the normie views on this website.

[Anonymous No.16991961]

>>16991957
>Well adjusted people are the eternal white pill that obliterated the normie views
anon what the fuck are you trying to communicate

[Anonymous No.16991975]

>>16991905
>destroyed by a frog poster.
We don't adopt our beliefs from media but from actual real life experience, ignorant.

[Anonymous No.16992051]

>>16991386
I don't hate women as much as I just hate this species. That being said any woman who really has a bone to pick with incels is an ugly attention whore who should get raped by incels daily.

[Anonymous No.16992062]

>>16991386
>be an incel that can't talk with women
Whaaaaa stupid incel you must hate women, mysogyny alert
>try to improve your skills with women by using PUA tried and tested methods
Whaaaaa using dirty tricks you must hate women misogyny alert

[Anonymous No.16992066]

>>16991853
They are scam artists out for gullible men’s money. See how quickly Roosh V did a 180 and said men should stop slaying, peddling the “BEGOME ORTHODOX” meme after his old books stopped selling.

[Anonymous No.16992071]

The truth is, if you have to chose between hating women and loving them, only one of these will not burn you in the long run.

[Anonymous No.16992081]

>>16991853
Not him but I think they're cringe because they try to systematize women to the point they treat them like they're robots without thoughts. Wtf is a pua and what is a professional one? You pimp them?

[Anonymous No.16992082]

>>16992051
Based

[Anonymous No.16992099]

>>16991386
>I don't respect women any more whereas in the past I would put them on a pedestal
This is what they take issue with. This kind of thinking is a dangerous threat to the female imperative and our gynocentric society as a whole.

[Anonymous No.16992119]

>>16991578
>but women are also responsible for the majority of misogynistic comments on social media
Nobody hates women more than other women. They sneakily cover their tracks by blaming men for creating a hateful misogynist society. We just want to coom, for God's sake.

[Anonymous No.16992131]

>>16991903
>>16991957
>Truth hurts
Which is why you wilfully ignore statistics and data that make you uncomfortable
>Just make friends bro
Go back.

[Anonymous No.16992138]

>>16991975
Then why do you circle jerk over charts and graphs. Maybe it's your experience that's narrow and lacking. I have a short fat friend that gets more puss than any chad type. He has an honest and sincere personality. He doesnt wallow in self-pity and cope with charts and graphs and studies. He takes responsibilty.

[Anonymous No.16992146]

>>16992131
Make me uncomfortable? Why the fuck would I care about some bumble.com chart. I see poor ugly losers get married and live life every day. It's all cope. Accept some personal responsibility creep.

[Anonymous No.16992156]

I prefer this more serious discussion of the issues

[Anonymous No.16992186]

>>16992062
don't you see anon?
Women's implied preference is for *natural sociopaths* not guys who are smart enough to notice the preference and conform to it. if you aren't attractive or sociopathic, you should go extinct

[Anonymous No.16992199]

>>16992146
>Anecdotal evidence = truth :)
I wasn't even referring to anything specific, I'm simply calling you a retard for thinking like you do.

[Anonymous No.16992242]

just listen to Patrice O Neal. you're not wrong for hating women but theres a balance to be had. what I hate about women is we're expected to treat them as equal. were all so brainwashed into believing this is true. the "hate" is a frustration in your gut telling you this isn't right.

It's like if we had children walking around everywhere in adult society and we are all forced to believe and internalise that they are equal.

[Anonymous No.16992279]

>>16992242

to add, its like if you have a pet dog or a child. if you treat it as your equal you will inevitably grow to hate them. you need to treat them as below you for the relationship to flourish, both for your sake and their sake. so its like that with women. But like I say we're all so brainwashed to treat them as equal now so of course there's tension. treat them below you, just as you would a child, and you'll enjoy them.

[Anonymous No.16992283]

>>16992199
Yeah, annecdotal evidence is far more true than your online dating quiz. Grow up

[Anonymous No.16993526]

>>16992138
>Then why do you circle jerk over charts and graphs.
This isn't circle jerking but sharing data, if you don't want to see them nor acknowledge them because you don't agree with those it's on you.
>Maybe it's your experience that's narrow and lacking.
I've been rejected, ignored and threated like less than garbage by women my entire life for lacking the standards you people delude yourselves into believing they don't exist because "muh women aren't shallow", and im not the only one.
>I have a short fat friend that gets more puss than any chad type. He has an honest and sincere personality. He doesnt wallow in self-pity and cope with charts and graphs and studies. He takes responsibilty.
Resorting in lies now? This is the equivalent of saying your friend is Cervantes. And this last one would me more believable than the common lie of "muh imaginary fat short bald friend with great meme personality"
What's gonna be next? The "look at Google for fat short ugly bald (but rich) men with hot wives and find a better excuse"? Pathetic.
Go get a personality and real life experience instead of wasting both our time with your scripted NPC lies.

[Anonymous No.16993574]

>>16991853
because PUA is ironically the ultimate incel contradiction.

You become PUA because you're incel, so you base your whole life around submitting to an ideology and lifestyle based around getting women in bed.

PUAs make fun of simps, but in reality, they are the ultimate simps, because their entire existence revolves around getting laid, in other words, the approval of women.

Meanwhile they lose all respect from real men and intelligent women who can see how ridiculous they are.

[Anonymous No.16993601]

>>16991386
>people still misusing the term incel

[Anonymous No.16993624]

>>16993574
>real men

[Anonymous No.16993653]

>>16993526
I'm not lying bitch.
So does pic related not count. Women consistently report personality matters more. Oh let me guess, they're lying on this study, but not the ones you circle jerk over?

Personality matters the most. Maybe it's your self-esteem. I know it's a hard pill to swallow, but you can always improve if you recognize your short comings

[Anonymous No.16993711]

>>16993653
>looks matter the most to southeast asians
That's interesting

[Anonymous No.16993717]

>>16993653
Are you shitting me anon? I'm just watching but personality means good dick? Idk one woman who gets turned on by intelligence so that's a lie and I've name-dropped having money to score easy twat more than once. You don't need to other women to refute his point but pua shit is cringe asf. You get pussy sometimes, that's it. It doesn't even guarantee you're a good fuck. Unless there's get your dick up artist schemes too

[Anonymous No.16993729]

>>16993711
Don't trust a gd poll. Humans want to be w ppl they feel they can succeed with, either emotionally or socially or economically. I've seen many irl polls where women say they don't whore

[Anonymous No.16993752]

>>16993717
Idgaf about PUA some incel called me a liar cause my fat wagie friend pulls pussy regularly. Then he claimed his data was real and sufficient for debate lmao.

[Anonymous No.16993769]

>>16993653
>Women consistently report
>report
anon you are killing me

[Anonymous No.16993776]

>>16993769
This is a response to a survey of women "reporting" the opposite. Go have sex

[Anonymous No.16993803]

>>16992283
Not that guy, but you seem to prefer anecdotal evidence over statistics so here is my anecdotal evidence. People who tell others to grow up are either faggots, simps or some other kind of filth.

[Anonymous No.16993808]

>>16991853
They are chickenshit sleaze.

[Anonymous No.16993812]

>>16993776
I wasn't following, but you cannot believe any self-reported measures about things like this, you can't even believe men about this let alone women.

[Anonymous No.16993819]

>>16993653
>I'm not lying bitch.
Your imaginary friend disagree.
>So does pic related not count. Women consistently report personality matters more.
And women has demonstrated to lie even in anonymity, this is not a point, you are not what you say but what you do.
>Oh let me guess, they're lying on this study, but not the ones you circle jerk over?
Yes, because one it's based in empty words from people who knows are being tested and the other one it's based in actions where the subjects didn't know they were being surveilled so it will not put in danger the veracity of the test, even a monkey knows which one really matters.
>Personality matters the most.
Personality it's the last thing that matters.
>Maybe it's your self-esteem. I know it's a hard pill to swallow, but you can always improve if you recognize your short comings
And more scripted NPC lines. What if I told you I did it and also did all the self improvement memes, yet, I'm in the same position as before? Yeah, you will think I'm lying, so the result it's that you are a hypocritical with no personality nor knowledge of real life who resorts in NPC platitudes for worthless empty ignorant arguments.
You are playing yourself, cease.

[Anonymous No.16993825]

>>16993653
>believing anything a woman says
>believing anything a woman says when she is using it as an opportunity to grandstand and shamelessly LARP as a version of herself she likes better than her real self, women's favorite pastime

You dumb bitch, you stupid idiot whore

[Anonymous No.16993832]

>>16993776
Dear god, shut the fuck up you naive retard. It is a basic fact in psychology that physical attraction is the number one factor in attraction.

[Anonymous No.16993840]

>>16993653

[Anonymous No.16993842]

>>16993653
based

[Anonymous No.16993846]

>>16991386
Why are Americans so obsessed with nigs?

[Anonymous No.16993880]

>>16993653
>Our chart shows how men have rated women, on a scale from 0 to 5. The curve is symmetric and surprisingly charitable: a woman is as likely to be considered extremely ugly as extremely beautiful, and the majority of women have been rated about “medium.” The chart looks normalized, even though it’s just the unfiltered opinions of our male users.

>Given the popular wisdom that Hollywood, the Internet, and Photoshop have created unrealistic expectations of how a woman should look, I found the fairness and, well, realism, of this gray arc kind of heartening.

>The female equivalent of the above chart shows a different bias: As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh. On the other hand, when it comes to actual messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable. But with the basic ratings so out-of-whack, the two curves together suggest some strange possibilities for the female thought process, the most salient of which is that the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her, but she then goes right out and messages them anyway.

[Anonymous No.16993882]

>>16993653
> report
anon no...

[Anonymous No.16993903]

>>16993846
>someone pridefully posted this

[Anonymous No.16993923]

>>16993880
Wait, is this saying that the ugliest males are the ones receiving the most messages?

[Anonymous No.16993926]

>>16993653
>report
AHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.16993934]

>>16993923
No it's saying that even average bitches rate 80% of men as "below average" but then slightly condescend to respond to the upper crust of the below-average peons if they prove their worth in other ways

Look at the preceding pic bottom left, hypergamy is proved completely true by dating app data. "A small amount of the men are fucking almost all the women."

[Anonymous No.16993945]

>>16993803
>>16993812
>>16993819
>>16993825
>>16993832
>>16993880
>>16993882

You bitches keep whinging about a chart and posting other charts. Here's a particularly dumb statement

>other one it's based in actions where the subjects didn't know they were being surveilled

That's pure bullshit. Of course they knew they were being asked to judge males on appearance you imbecile. Either way you're cherry picling data based on the word of female test subjects and then claiming female test subjects are unreliable.

Funny, confident men get more women. Healthy men get more women. Anything else is just cope.

[Anonymous No.16993951]

>>16993653
women have a sort of synesthesia, but istead of seeing sound they look at hotness and see a good personality

[Lev Tolstoy No.16993952]

>>16991445
Based

[Anonymous No.16993959]

>>16993945
Shut up bitch. If you were here I'd give you a fuckin knuckle sandwich.

[Anonymous No.16993974]

>>16993945
>Funny, confident men get more women. Healthy men get more women. Anything else is just cope.
you can't be actually excluding looks entirely? Im with you on confidence mattering, but don't be ridiculous

[Anonymous No.16993991]

>>16993945
I agree. The study in question really only determines a man’s ability to woo women without any other qualities. Among other qualities that contribute to romantic success in actuality, foremost is humor. But, of course, social connections (say mutual friendships) are tremendously valuable and transform the man from unknown risk to certified quality.

[Anonymous No.16993999]

>>16993974
It does matter, healthiness is highly correlated to atttactiveness though wouldn't you think. A healthy diet and regualr excercise would give anyone a more attractive look.
I just hate the dejected sad "genetic lottery" type that blame women for their failure to get laid, goddamn take some responsibility, make yourself more desirable.
If anything that one study shows that looks really don't matter that much since women think men are average looking on average lmao.

[Anonymous No.16994006]

>>16993999
Lmao I forgot to remove that picture, I was about to use it against a different poster. Based digits though.

[Anonymous No.16994019]

>>16994006
The digits can't save it but good points

[Anonymous No.16994033]

>>16994019
I wasted trips. Im done for the day.

[Anonymous No.16994034]

>>16993999
sure, work out, be fit, but I mean being tall, having a good face, etc. that does matter, there is no point denying that. I think you're overcorrecting in the opposite direction from lookism incels.

[Anonymous No.16994062]

>>16993999
How many fat people do you actually see outside (assuming you are in Europe, not the US).

The vast majority is normal or fit and well-dressed. Most people hold jobs. The idea that you just need to work on yourself is a massive cope and a huge distraction from becoming a writer. Think about it: if you are a writer you might even get to pick.

Spending time on women while you are not on the top is just a waste of time that is better invested in achieving great things. Then those vermin come to beg for your attention and showing them the middle finger (with a two-tone bluesy sub on your wrist) would actually be more satisfying than their company could ever be.

[Anonymous No.16994151]

>>16994034
No doubt, it does help in intitially locating a partner. After that though, looks become less and less important I would argue. I will concede that I'm guilty of overcorrecting, it just seems like such a bleak and shitty ideal for people to live with when the reality is far from such a binary as "woman bad."

>>16994062
I'm from the US. Imagine writing a work of art thats relatable having never experienced love and bonding with another person. Class and material wealth mean nothing to me, they're petty conveniences that fail to assuage the horror and futility of being human. In my eyes at least. Do you though m8. America is awfully fat, and it's where I live, I'll gice you that.

[Anonymous No.16994177]

>>16994151
Don't worry about having never experienced love. Every man falls for it at least once. With that experience he can go through the rest of life until he has sexual market advantage, not disadvantage.

> Class and material wealth mean nothing to me
but to women

[Anonymous No.16994222]

>>16994177
>sexual market advantage, not disadvantage.
Hahaha. Disregarded.

[Anonymous No.16994537]

>>16993653
LMAO this retard still doesnt know that looks means personality

[Anonymous No.16994564]

>>16994222
Fine. Life will teach you at the end; your disagreement doesn't affect me.

[Anonymous No.16994586]

>>16991808
>tfw ex had a great, /lit/ father who coulda been my surrogate dad, but the bitch still cheated

[Anonymous No.16994653]

>>16993951
Interesting take, but I'm gonna need more than anecdotal evidence

[Anonymous No.16994664]

>>16991903
>Unironically go outside

Oh anon

[Anonymous No.16994762]

Women are better than men

[Anonymous No.16994785]

>>16994762
As a man I would have to agree

[Anonymous No.16994809]

>>16991763
There are always norms.

[Anonymous No.16994810]

>>16994785
Based

[Anonymous No.16994817]

>>16991697
Big if true

[Anonymous No.16994844]

>>16991398
Don't these data, let's assume it's valid, have a huge issue with selection and potentially participation bias? It seems all you can say about these data is that women on OK Cupid may have insanely high standards. Any further inference would be deeply misguided.

[Anonymous No.16994853]

>>16994844
you are right, but the difference is that you've taken a course in statistics and the average poster of these graphs hasn't even completed high school

[Anonymous No.16994854]

>>16991484
Chads don't want sex because they're never wanting for sex. Chads don't hate women either. PUAs hate women because they see women as the reason they became PUAs--withholding sex.

[Anonymous No.16994868]

>>16991697
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

[Anonymous No.16994870]

>>16991537
>I don't know I feel like we're on track to go extinct anyway.
Yes, but men and men-built systems are still leading that charge. Women don't have enough agency (yet, maybe they'll gain enough before the end) to slow our progress toward oblivion by mere choosiness in mates.