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Anonymous Wed Dec 9 01:03:56 2020 No.16982841 [Reply] [Original]

>Did you never observe, I said, the effect on the mind itself of exclusive devotion to gymnastic, or the opposite effect of an exclusive devotion to music?

>In what way shown? he said.

>The one producing a temper of hardness and ferocity, the other of softness and effeminacy, I replied.

>Yes, he said, I am quite aware that the mere athlete becomes too much of a savage, and that the mere musician is melted and softened beyond what is good for him.

Did Plato retroactively refute /mu/?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 01:05:18 2020 No.16982853 >>16982841 He liked music but in specific chords. He probably had perfect pitch.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 01:07:13 2020 No.16982862 >>16982841 >retroactively Based retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 01:09:16 2020 No.16982869 >>16982841 Proactively yes

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 01:15:00 2020 No.16982903
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>>16982841
And when I came out of my solitude, and for the first time passed over this bridge, then I could not trust mine eyes, but looked again and again, and said at last: "That is an ear! An ear as big as a man!" I looked still more attentively—and actually there did move under the ear something that was pitiably small and poor and slim. And in truth this immense ear was perched on a small thin stalk—the stalk, however, was a man! A person putting a glass to his eyes, could even recognise further a small envious countenance, and also that a bloated soullet dangled at the stalk. The people told me, however, that the big ear was not only a man, but a great man, a genius. But I never believed in the people when they spake of great men—and I hold to my belief that it was a reversed cripple, who had too little of everything, and too much of one thing.

>>	࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYYIIins Wed Dec 9 01:27:22 2020 No.16982952 File: 450 KB, 1036x640, KENNY LIX D II.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16982841 LA LENGUA INGLESA BASTARDIZA TODO LO QUE TRADUCE, CASI A EL GRADO DE LA INCOHERENCIA E ILEGIBILIDAD.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 01:29:42 2020 No.16982963 >>16982952 cállate maricón de trip

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 03:34:21 2020 No.16983462 File: 436 KB, 1300x2880, 5472421e6227690abbe906c4b35c38cf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16982841 he also refuted "meatheads" in he same sentence

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 03:36:32 2020 No.16983473 File: 824 KB, 1125x744, too esoteric 4 you.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16982952 The language of english sounds like shit almost to a level of utter incoherence?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 04:08:11 2020 No.16983560 File: 47 KB, 362x600, Wagner in 1862.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16982841 How can faggy German "intellectuals" even compete? Look at this limp-wrist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 04:10:39 2020 No.16983569 File: 107 KB, 806x1000, karl bauer beethoven.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] musicians in greece were mostly twinks who played flutes at banquets

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 05:19:46 2020 No.16983741 File: 688 KB, 1270x1078, 1585790650477.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16982903 >>16982841 music is inherently female and hedonistic. This is why in atheism, music is 100% about sex.

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 05:22:53 2020 No.16983755

>>16983569
>t. retard
I don't know how you could misunderstand music in ancient Greece so badly. Have you read about the bard Arion in the first book of Herodotus' Histories among so many others for example? Are you not familiar that every man was taught music and instrument playing in ancient Greece (including Hercules)?

Also, that's a weird Beethoven drawing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 05:24:36 2020 No.16983764 >>16983741 As Wagner said, music is a feminine bearing art, needing to be inseminated by the poetic intention to create the whole work of art of tragedy.

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 05:25:27 2020 No.16983765

>>16983741
>x is y
>x is inherently y
stop doing this.

identity statements are only interesting if you can prove one side is equal to the other side either by deducing it from a another common identity or plausibly transforming one side into the other.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 05:26:14 2020 No.16983771 >>16983741 What is music's male and stoic counterpart?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 05:41:04 2020 No.16983819 File: 73 KB, 475x470, franz-von-stuck-beethoven.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16983755 >Also, that's a weird Beethoven drawing. t. retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 05:44:41 2020 No.16983829 >>16982841 >Insert Varg meme That people have been circlejerking over Plato for 2k+ years is the best evidence we have against both human intelligence and intellectual progress You're all just clowns going round and round

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 05:45:59 2020 No.16983835 >>16982952 kys scum

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 05:50:58 2020 No.16983846 File: 79 KB, 716x585, 6579FE33-A31C-4AFC-9AEA-B7E8977AADDB.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Musicians BTFO

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 05:58:35 2020 No.16983880
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>>16983819
>t. retard
Not an argument, Karl Bauer makes drawings which replace accuracy for his own desire for emotional excitement. I'm not saying it's bad, but that drawing isn't accurate of Beethoven. Unless you think because it is just a drawing of Beethoven in the first place that it's a good depiction, then you cannot disagree.

Please answer the rest of my points.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 05:59:36 2020 No.16983885 >>16983846 Can I get a sauce? It also seems a little silly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 06:03:29 2020 No.16983899 Yes. Music lowers test. t.listening to music right now

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 06:22:03 2020 No.16983961

>>16982841
>exclusive devotion
>exclusive
This being the keyword. He's saying you can never become a complete individual by only focusing on one thing, as you will only embody the characteristics of that one thing and never understand, or begin to understand, other characteristics that come with being human. If you're into music, which is completely feminine, you need to also be into masculine gymnastics in order to counter balance it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 06:50:36 2020 No.16984042 >>16983771 Probably exercise like he mentioned.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 06:58:41 2020 No.16984083 Better to play music than roleplay as a warrior when you go to planetfitness,swipe your card and do your manly,no bullshit,heavy ass weights routine

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 06:59:43 2020 No.16984090 File: 33 KB, 466x659, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16984083

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 07:07:56 2020 No.16984127

>>16983880
i think it's accurate for that rare moment when beethoven is about to fuck your shit up.
he's the counterexample to plato's hypothesis. he was a "mere musician" unless one counts long walks through austrian countryside as exercise. js bach is another ultramasculine counterexample.

the musicians during plato's time were probably limited by feebleness of instruments and general disorganized state of music, where large orchestras or choirs were impossible. as soon as there is a kapellmeister, he will also need the masculine qualities of a leader (which can of course degenerate into prima donna capriciousness). the equivalent of nerdy musicologists was probably existing in the form of pythagorean sacred music cultists and might also have provoked plato's remarks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 08:39:47 2020 No.16984464 >>16984083 imagine being this afraid of exercise

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 10:03:17 2020 No.16984813 >>16983885 Sextus.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 10:41:25 2020 No.16985006 Even better when he calls fit faggots.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 10:46:28 2020 No.16985041 >>16982862 I've noticed the phrase "retroactively refute" has come up many times on this website. You'd think on a literature board people would know what words mean.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 10:51:05 2020 No.16985064 >>16982952 You are litterally the inferior race.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 11:04:52 2020 No.16985162 >>16984464 I do exercise,and I saw the biggest amount of insecure people in the gym,manlets trying to appear intimidating,guys that go there to look at gymthots.Ironically martial arts has people who are the nicest

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