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Anonymous Tue Dec 8 13:15:01 2020 No.16977976 [Reply] [Original]

How would you rank the dostoesvsky books?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 13:16:21 2020 No.16977986 >>16977976 1. The Idiot 2. Demons 3. The Brothers Karamazov 4. Crime & Punishment 5. Notes from underground 6. The Adolescent 7. The House of Dead 8. The Gambler

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 15:00:27 2020 No.16978836 >>16977976 Of those I've read: 1. Crime and Punishment 2. Demons (this is actually #1 right now, but I just read it) 3. Notes from Underground 4. The Idiot 5. House of the Dead

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 16:39:56 2020 No.16979695 >>16977986 based idiot on top

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 16:40:52 2020 No.16979701 >>16977986 Based

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 18:51:25 2020 No.16980750 >>16977976 The ones I've read 1. Crime & Punishment 2. The Brothers Karmazov 3. Notes From Underground 4. The Idiot 5. The Gambler Crime & Punishment is the only one that deserves the acclaim desu but TBK is great too

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 18:53:29 2020 No.16980766 1. Crime and Punishment 2. Demons 3. The Idiot 4. The Brothers Karamazov can't be bothered ranking the other books but I enjoyed The Gambler the most of all of them

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 18:56:15 2020 No.16980783 On the topic of Dosto, which translations should I read?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 19:21:07 2020 No.16980952 >people here actually place C&P above The Brother Karamazov, Demons, Notes From Underground, and The Idiot Jesus Christ.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 19:23:14 2020 No.16980965 File: 39 KB, 852x480, dreammeme.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16977976 Lmao he looks like a dweeb. I could and will beat the fuck out of him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 19:25:07 2020 No.16980982 >>16980952 It's a more even book than TBK or Demons, it's outright better than The Idiot. Notes From The Underground isn't on the same level as any of his novels.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 19:27:06 2020 No.16980996 >>16980982 >It's a more even book than TBK or Demons They're still his masterpieces. Do you really think he'd be a widely appreciated writer if all he had was fucking Crime & Punishment to his name? Give me a break.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 19:27:35 2020 No.16980999 >>16977976 What should I read next? I just finished Brothers Karamazov. I'm thinking Demons

Anonymous Tue Dec 8 19:29:35 2020 No.16981009

>>16980996
Yes. Crime and Punishment towers above almost every other Russian classic from his period. Goncharov is reasonably widely appreciated for a far less impressive novel which is the only work of his still widely read in English speaking countries. I'm not entirely sure what your problem with Crime and Punishment is

Anonymous Tue Dec 8 19:43:29 2020 No.16981096

>>16980999
I finished Demons not too long ago. Its a little slow, but the second half of the book is amazing even though it has the most tragic ending i have ever read. He also needs a lot of credit by calling out the destructive nature of leftism long before anyone else.

Anonymous Tue Dec 8 19:54:28 2020 No.16981141

why is he so good brehs

it seems to me like he has a certain level of self awareness that gives him a heightened capacity for genuinely honest self reflection which allows him to write great characters with very real mannerism and thought process and all sorts of details. I imagine it was probably why he also didn't fall for the leftist meme and was able to see it for what it was, and represent those types of people perfectly

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 20:04:34 2020 No.16981193 >>16981141 To me, he is very good at depicting social situations in an engaging way. It develops his stories in a way that feels perfectly paced. A lot of authors have engaging stories, but this puts him a step above.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 20:41:15 2020 No.16981411 >>16977976 TBK Demons Notes C&P Idiot White nights (maybe even above The Idiot) Double Gambler

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 20:43:49 2020 No.16981430 I've read Notes and C&P. What should be next? I'm thinking White Nights or The Idiot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 20:43:51 2020 No.16981431 Is The Insulted and Humiliated a good read? What about The Adolescent?

Anonymous Tue Dec 8 20:50:18 2020 No.16981475

>>16977976
of what I've read

1. Memoirs From the Dead House
2. The Idiot
3. Notes From Underground

I know I need to read more of him, but I'm working on it. I honestly didn't like Notes From Underground very much at all. I appreciate that it is a good book, but it wasn't my thing. The UM is such a negative character, and I'm not even a stranger to Superfluous Men. Oblomov is one of my absolute favorite books, but at least Oblomov seemed like a human being. The UM was so loathsome all you could feel was pity.
On the other hand, I loved Dead House, which was a surprisingly cozy read considering the subject matter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 22:01:06 2020 No.16981846 What's the best translation for his stuff?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 22:12:44 2020 No.16981888 >>16977976 I've what of read 1. The Possessed 2. Notes from Underground

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 22:13:06 2020 No.16981889 >>16977976 from what i've read crime and punishment > notes from underground > the idiot

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 22:16:24 2020 No.16981907 File: 145 KB, 582x813, IMG_0251.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16980982

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 22:51:31 2020 No.16982116 >>16977976 anybody who doesnt have the brothers karamazov first is lying

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 22:55:26 2020 No.16982143 >>16982116 This

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 22:55:55 2020 No.16982148 >>16982116 or hasn't read it

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 23:17:54 2020 No.16982274 >>16981141 Because he lived that life. Go read his wiki page.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 23:18:57 2020 No.16982278 >>16980952 I love all of his works, but Crime and Punishment is the first and only novel that has given me restless sleep and left me generally anxious feeling. I do think The Idiot may be the easiest and most enjoyable to return to.

Anonymous Tue Dec 8 23:21:46 2020 No.16982293

>>16982116
I bough Notes From Underground first because I thought a shorter read would be a good intro to his other works. That, and I was interested in the subject matter. Fast forward to July and I've read Crime and Punishment. Haven't read anything else by Dosto yet, but I plan on reading The Idiot and Demons before TBK

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 23:41:41 2020 No.16982402 >>16977976 1. Brothers Karamazov 2. Crime and Punishment 3. Notes from Underground 4. Demons

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 8 23:47:58 2020 No.16982434 >>16982293 You are me.

Anonymous Tue Dec 8 23:57:43 2020 No.16982495

>>16977976
Any Non-meme answer has to have The Brothers Karamazov first. After that, the next tier is a toss-up between C&P, Demons, and The Idiot, with C&P being much more popular with casual readers and Idiot/Demons being the contrarian’s favorites (possibly deservedly). Then you have Notes from Underground as a good short intro. Then you have everything else.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 00:02:00 2020 No.16982517 >>16982495 Explain your reasoning behind this

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 00:42:15 2020 No.16982717

>>16982517
I’ve read his big 5 plus a few less read ones like The Gambler, The Adolescent, and White Nights.
The Brothers Karamazov is the most complete, and the most iconic (The Grand Inquisitor, Alyosha’s relationship with the boys, Ivan’s talk with his ‘visitor’, all very memorable for me). The three brothers could be protagonists of their own books but they are all interacting in the same plot.
Crime and Punishment is the most widely read Dostoevsky probably because it precedes Nietzsche while anticipating some of his ideas and addresses some of the possible consequences of a society without faith. I think Demons is popular with /lit/ types because it’s darker and edgier and it’s less well known so it’s get people brownie points for being well read. If I was to characterize the three second tier books after TBK, I would say Demons is the darkest and has the most shocking subject matter, The Idiot is the most religious, and C&P is the most exciting, it borrows from the detective genre which is fun.
Notes from Underground I really don’t care for as much. It is a good companion piece to C&P I think, and it’s a good first Dostoevsky, but it just doesn’t go to the depths that the others do. After that I don’t feel I’ve read enough to really rank the rest because I’ve just dabbled here and there in his novellas and short stories, and I haven’t read his lesser known novels like Humiliated and Insulted or The House of the Dead.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 01:13:41 2020 No.16982893 1. The idiot 2. Crime and punishment 3. Notes from the underground 4. The brothers karmazov 5. Demons Haven't read anything else really

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 02:12:38 2020 No.16983107 >>16981009 Gogol BTFO's every writer on planet.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 02:22:26 2020 No.16983144 >>16982717 This. If someone has read Dostoevsky and can't acknowledge brothers karamazov as the tour de force it is I pity them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 04:04:40 2020 No.16983551 >>16982116 based

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 04:31:32 2020 No.16983616 I didn't like TBK very much. Infact it took me a year to read it. For comparison I read c&p in 4 days and Notes from the underground in one sitting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 04:38:36 2020 No.16983637 The Brothers Karamazov Notes from Underground Crime and Punishment

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 04:39:26 2020 No.16983639 >>16978836 Read the Brothers

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 04:41:34 2020 No.16983645

>>16983616
This means nothing, the brothers karamazov is almost twice the length of c&p and notes from the underground is basically a pamphlet. The amount of content as well as so drastically different. c&p has raskolnikov and that is essentially it. There are of course other complex characters but nowhere near to the extent of Brothers Karamazov. Someone earlier in the thread said each brother could get their own book and this is true.

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 05:09:15 2020 No.16983718

Even at a young age, I realized that I had a hard time picking the greatest book by Dostojevski, despite having read some multiple times. This never happened with other prolific writers like Tosltoy, Dickens or Balzac, where I could intuitively sense that some of their novels are more successful.
Later, having transcended the notion of canons and started ignoring the "all art is equally valid" propaganda, I realized that all of his works are flawed to an extent which makes it impossible to call one better than the other. You could say that BK is the most chaotic, or The Demons most indulgent, The Gambler most naive etc. But in the end all such efforts are futile. Only first rate writers should be ranked worst to best, whereas ones like Dostojevski should be read for educational purposes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 06:20:22 2020 No.16983952 >>16982293 read the idiot first >why? it´s my favorite

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 06:22:15 2020 No.16983962 >>16983718 >saying he isn´t the best author HERESY BURN THE WITCH

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 06:39:00 2020 No.16984011 >>16983144 I will never acknowledge anything as a >tour de force Even if it's my favorite book in the world.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 06:39:57 2020 No.16984014 >>16977976 i actually started to read all of his works. in a year or less i start another thread an rank all of them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 11:21:31 2020 No.16985254 >>16977976 his novellas are way better than his novels

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 9 11:24:10 2020 No.16985273 >>16981141 >great characters with very real mannerism and thought process and all sorts of details dosto fans are delusional

Anonymous Wed Dec 9 11:30:31 2020 No.16985294

Is it bad to read the Brothers K without previously reading the Bible?

>>16981141
His characters feel humane and natural. There's not much of a sense of "these are characters in a book" hovering over it, you feel like you're peeking into a world of real people.

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