/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16961571]

Orthodox bros recommend me a book that explains Orthodox beliefs and theology.

[Anonymous No.16961578]

>>16961571
Additionally I'm intereted in how Orthodox and Catholic theology developed historically and how it specifically differs.

[Anonymous No.16961612]

>>16961571
Orthodox don't do theology.
That is only Catholics and Protestants.

[Anonymous No.16961693]

>>16961612
Couldn't be further from the truth
Orthodox is the only Church that does theology
Catholics do philosophy and call it theology
Protestants are intellectually bankrupt and think reason is evil

[Anonymous No.16961695]

>>16961612
Not true

[Anonymous No.16961764]

kallistos ware

[Anonymous No.16961824]

>>16961571
my priest gave this to me as my reading list;
>Orthodox Study Bible
>Sayings of the Desert Fathers
>Fr. Thomas Hopko's 'The Orthodox Faith' series
outside of that everything should be run by a priest, theology and spirituality don't exist in a vacuum that you can read about to understand... go to church

[Anonymous No.16961912]

>>16961571
I just can't believe it. I've read orthodox writers and understand the philosophy and agree with it. But then they start talking about having faith in revelation and I lose all interest. God exists but there's no way to know anything about him.

[Anonymous No.16962161]

Is Fr. Seraphim Rose worth reading?

[Anonymous No.16962236]

>>16962161
not if you're new, being rocor he's batshit insane and anal about niche facets of church history, definitely stellar dude but don't if you're learning

[Anonymous No.16962282]

>>16962236
I wanted to read the Soul after Death since Christianity in general is so vague about what specifically happens in the afterlife

[Anonymous No.16962287]

>>16962161
yes but just read nihilism, orthodoxy and the religion of the future is for autists.

[Anonymous No.16962292]

All of the books I mention in this post are contained in this link under the "orthodoxy" subfolder:

>>16961571
Read "The Fount of Knowledge" by St. John of Damscus. It's a good quick rundown from the 8th century and covers a bit of everything.

>>16961578
Read "The Place of Blessed Augustine in the Orthodox Church" by Fr. Seraphim Rose

>>16962161
Absolutely. Start with Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future and then The Soul After Death, and then Creation Genesis and Early Man for a really good deep dive on the early parts of Genesis.

>>16962236
You got a problem with ROCOR? I'm Antiochian but ROCOR are legit

[Anonymous No.16962308]

>>16961571
>>16962282
>>16962292
I'm a retard and didn't post the link:
https://mega.nz/folder/oZwkUK7b#HJ8w0iF48ss5Cjv8Kbc5Pw

>>16962287
What's wrong with Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future

[Anonymous No.16962335]

You're right that he should probably start with Nihilism though

[Anonymous No.16962412]

>>16961571
>Orthodox beliefs and theology
>posts Catholic church

[Anonymous No.16962462]

>>16962412
The art is Byzantine and it has mosaics of Justinianus I and Theodora. The whole split was over autistic reasons anyway.

[Anonymous No.16962493]

>>16962462
>The whole split was over autistic reasons anyway
Sure, but San Vitale is still a Catholic church built by Catholic bishops

[Anonymous No.16962506]

>>16961912
you can't progress if you are filtered by faith. Read Kierkegaard Fear and Trembling, maybe you can convince yourself to pass the filter, even if only as a theoretical educational exercise, though once people understand faith it is rare for them to regress into materialist confusion.

[Anonymous No.16962515]

Lossky
Florovsky
Bradshaw
ignore >>16962292

[Anonymous No.16962556]

>>16962515
I understand a lot of people have problems with Fr. Seraphim Rose for some reason they can't seem to explain but what's wrong with St. John of Damascus

[Anonymous No.16962580]

>>16962556
Nothing, I was referring to the 4 Seraphim Rose books, not the one Damascene book. That being said, reading the church fathers still probably isn't the best starting point since their thought has been better distilled for beginners in secondary sources

[Anonymous No.16962605]

>>16962580
The Fount of Knowledge was the first Orthodox book I read and it's what got me out of RCIA, it's pretty accessible. What's the issue with Fr. Seraphim Rose?

[Anonymous No.16962615]

Aerial toll houses

[Anonymous No.16962618]

>>16962605
There's no reason to get bogged down in thousands of pages of stuff about aliens, toll houses, and young earth creationism when you're not even Orthodox yet

[Anonymous No.16962629]

>>16962412
Because I was interested in how Orthodox theology differs from Catholic as you can see in my next post. I thought Byzantine art in a Catholic Church would fit that symbolically.

[Anonymous No.16962706]

>>16962618
> he doesn't want to get bogged down in thousands of pages about aliens, toll houses, and young earth creationism
Also a lot of people get into the church through his stuff precisely because they already felt alienated by those trends and philosophies and he presents the Church as the escape from them. He doesn't have to be right about every specific thing

>>16962615
based

[Anonymous No.16962824]

>>16962618
Exactly, why do people not get this, lol. I like fr, Seraphim too, but as an intro to orthodoxy?

[Anonymous No.16963209]

>>16962618
>>16962824
For a lot of people he is the introduction, and what appeals to them isn't so much the /x/ stuff itself (although that's a blast to read about) as it is how he puts into words the spirit behind trends in the world such as new age, the philosophical history of evolution with guys like De Chardin and the Huxleys, and other things like that. It puts words to alienation that people already feel and presents the Church as the alternative. That's why he attracts a decent number of people. That's also probably why you're right to say that Nihilism is the one people should start with.

[Anonymous No.16963244]

The East Orthodox Church

[Anonymous No.16963246]

>>16962615
Based and Rose pilled

[Anonymous No.16963296]

>>16963246
Have you read any of St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco's stuff? He really helped me understand the Eucharist. Also speaking of Lossky been meaning to get my hands on The Meaning of Icons

[Anonymous No.16963316]

Theology:
On the Orthodox Faith and Fount of Knowledge -St. John of Damascus
Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church -Vladimir Lossky
Greek East and Latin West -Dr. Philip Sherrard
From Theology to Philosophy in the Latin West -Sherrard
Church, Papacy, Schism -Sherrard
On the Divine Images -St. John of Damascus
On the Holy Icons -St. Theodore the Studite
The Experience of God: Orthodox Dogmatic Theology, Vol. I -Fr. Dimitru Staniloae
Orthodox Dogmatics: World, Creation & Deification, Vol. II -Fr. Dimitru Staniloae
God, History and Dialectic 4 Vols. -Dr. Joseph P. Farrell
Mystagogy of the Holy Spirit -St Photios the Great
The Triads -St. Gregory Palamas – JaysAnalysis Free Lecture First Half
Divine Essence and Divine Energies -Ed. Athanasopoulos
Against Eunomius -St. Gregory Nyssa
Theological Orations -St. Gregory Nazianzus
Collected Works -Fr. Georges Florovsky
The Deification of Man: St. Gregory Panamas & the Orthodox Tradition -Georgios Mantzaridis
The Ecclesiological Renovation of Vatican II -Fr. Peter Heers (Our Interview is Here)
Deification in Christ: Orthodox Perspectives on the Nature of the Human Person -Panayiotis Nellas
Two Hundred Chapters on Theology -St. Maximos the Confessor

Christology:
On the Unity of Christ -St. Cyril of Alexandria
On the Cosmic Mystery of Jesus Christ -St. Maximos the Confessor
Free Choice in St. Maximos the Confessor -Dr. Joseph P. Farrell
St. Cyril of Alexandria and the Christological Controversy -John McGuckin
Disputation with Pyrrhus -St. Maximos the Confessor
On the Mystical Life 3 Vols. -St. Symeon the New Theologian
On the Incarnation -St. Athanasius – (Jay Dyer Lecture Here)

Liturgy:
Orthodox Worship: A Living Continuity With the Temple, the Synagogue and the Early Church -Williams & Anstall
On the Divine Liturgy -St. Germanus of Constantinople
On the Celestial Hierarchy -St. Dionysius
Liturgy and Mysticism in the Orthodox Tradition part 2 -Bp. Alexander Golitzin
Liturgical Prayer Book

Genesis and Creation:
Genesis, Creation, and Early Man -Fr. Seraphim Rose
The First Created Man -St. Symeon the New Theologian
Cosmos and Transcendence -Wolfgang Smith
Creation Out of Nothing -Dr. William Lane Craig (*Non-Orthodox) (See My Lecture Here)
Refuting Evolution -Dr. Johnathan Sarfati

Biblical Theology:
Through New Eyes -James Jordan
Days of Vengeance -David Chilton
Before Jerusalem Fell -Ken Gentry
Paradise Restored -David Chilton
Biblical Apocalyptics -Milton Terry

[Anonymous No.16963350]

>>16963316
What would you recommend for a comparison to Catholic beliefs and the differences that lie between the two? Something as unbiased as possible, I've found a few books but they almost always present the Catholic Church as in being in error and tend to be polemical instead of just laying the differences out without making judgements.