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Why aren't you an antinatalist, /lit/?

I just finished The Last Messiah and feel like I was punched in the face. You know that they're right.

More good pessimistic/antinatalist literature?

>> No.16955647
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16955647

>>16955641
read the canon

>> No.16955658

Whats antinatalism? Can you explain what antinatalism means to you? Thanks.

>> No.16955682
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>>16955658
the belief that time is a flat circle

>> No.16955687

>>16955641
Antinatilism is copethe world is shit and therefore it's not worth being born
Change the world and make it better for future generations, or die trying.
Have kids after.

>> No.16955695

>>16955687
>Change the world
try feeling the wait of history on shoulders some day. nothing ever solved.

>> No.16955716

This guy's channel is great for anyone interested

https://youtu.be/Bax-uJ3LdTI

>> No.16955722

If being alive was that bad you’d kill yourself.
>inb4 to spread the word
If you had confidence in your beliefs you’d know they’d be able to spread without you being alive. You’re just coping for not killing yourself

>> No.16955726

>>16955695
There were periods in history where it was a fantastic time to be born. This is one of them.

>> No.16955783

>>16955722
dying now is not the same as never being born

Existence with consequences vs nonexistence. Literally the opposites.

>> No.16955811

I'm only against blind reproduction, i.e. just reproduce, bro!

If someone has their life in order, and isn't bringing a child into a terrible situation, then I'm not really against it. Though, I don't think the human population should increase in any meaningful number.

>> No.16955814

>>16955641
I don't even have to be. I won't reproduce even by accident

>> No.16955829

>>16955726
Completely wrong. Anyone born today has lower living standards on average than the boomers and will never own anything or have financial security. They'll work paycheck to paycheck and never get out of debt for the rest of their lives. Even if you don't live in america, you won't do better in the rest of the world.

>> No.16955833

>>16955814
Same

Dick too big

>> No.16955838

>>16955811
I think humanity should go extinct as fast as possible by using up all the resources and increasing infertility. Its the most good we could do because it eliminates suffering

>> No.16955844

The exploring antinatalism podcast is comfy. I wish I could hang out with Amanda, eat mac 'n' cheese, and discuss IRC drama.

>> No.16955853

>>16955641
Literally refuted by the fact that most people think life is worth living. Only especially retarded ethics can ground antinatalism ; and garbage in, garbage out.
I agree with the sentiment that life is tragic and pretty harsh on us poor fleshbags though.

>> No.16955855

>>16955829
Lower living standards are good. People need to be miserable; that's how great things end up getting done, to escape the misery.

>> No.16955858

>>16955844
Bases take

She unironically seems cool

>> No.16955864

>>16955855
Dangerously based take

>> No.16956078
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>>16955641
Thomas Ligotti's got to get off YouTube.

>> No.16956116

>A man [...] whose pain is the Earth's collective pain
Why would I listen to someone who anthropomorphizes Earth and talks about relieving its pain?

>> No.16956271

>>16955641
i'll take the bait.
This person is antinatalist to cope with the fact that she couldn't reproduce.

>> No.16956290

>>16956271
Came to post this. Obviously with that constitution you were born to read Cioran.

>> No.16956298

>>16955722
>If you had confidence in your beliefs you’d know they’d be able to spread without you being alive.
The world would be objectively a better and more pleasant place if I was dead. It's counterintuitive to kill myself.

>> No.16956494

>>16955641
>>16955647
Damn... were physiognomy chads right all along?

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I've already had 3 kids and my life is excellent

Oops!

>> No.16956876

>>16955647
Incel Physiognomy

>> No.16957231

>>16955783
Why do the consequences matter at all if non existence is preferable to existence

>> No.16957540

>>16955844
is it actually worth listening to? each episode is like an hour long, and I don't got time for that shit

recommend me a good episode?

>> No.16957559

>>16955647
>Schoppy ??? ???
>??? ??? Cioran
>Ligotti ??? ???
A bunch of literally who.

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>>16955641
>go forth and multiply
that's why

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amanda looks like an aged version of kat

>> No.16957687

LMFAO antinatalism is just massive virgin cope

>> No.16957692

>>16955647
Who is center bottom?

>> No.16957697

>>16957687

Doesn't make it wrong

>> No.16957721

>>16957697
All anti natilist arguments come from slaves that don't want their children to be born into the same slavery.

>> No.16957725

>>16957721
We are all slaves to biology.

>> No.16957730

>>16955641
Why does he look like a tired old woman?

>> No.16957880

>>16957697
actual incel cope just lmao @ ur life

>> No.16957909

>>16957880
I find that the person coping hardest is the first one to cry "cope." Music to my ears. Music, as Schoppy said, was one of the few things that made life tolerable. So thanks for that.

>> No.16957911

>>16955641
Why has this womans face been painted white

>> No.16957932

>>16957730
Is it a he or a she?
I legitimately can't tell, not even joking.

And yea, some people are damaged and really shouldn't reproduce.

>> No.16957998

>>16957932
https://youtu.be/Po5NVlsBka8

>> No.16958008

>>16957998
Is this anti natilist contrapoints?

>> No.16958026

>>16957231
Because I exist regardless of my preferences

>> No.16958046

>>16955716
All he did was summarize the Last Messiah.

>> No.16958068

>>16957679
pls delete this

>> No.16958508

>>16957692
Must be Japanese, he's pixellated

>> No.16958553

I would like to have kids but watching other people's lives I have seen that it's impossible to raise your children these days. Your wife will not be able to stay at home. It's impossible for someone who's a lower social class to have a stay at home wife. As you both work you'll have to outsource the education of your children to school and other institutions. They will get pressured to buy products and become part of the multiculti by the other people they will meet. Depending on how much you'll have to work, you might completely give up the education and rearing of your children to third parties. People I know who have a teenage kid have pretty much raised a stranger, and newer generations seem to be even more detached from their parents than the ones before, and even more inserted into consumerism and hedonism. It's going to be really awful when these newer generations grow up. I'm not going to have kids just for the sake of reproducing, I'm not going to feed more souls to this industrial machine.
>>16955855
>People need to be miserable; that's how great things end up getting done, to escape the misery.
What a retarded take. If you are both miserable and a slave and have no time or resources, and you'll be isolated from everyone else spiritually and physically, you will not be able to "change the world", idiot. We're headed toward a society where you will get a daily pill and you will feel no displeasure at all, you will feel no misery, no need to ever change anything as the range of movement in your life becomes smaller and smaller until you literally repeat the same actions day by day like a robot. Right now society tells you that if you are miserable the problem is exclusively yours.

>> No.16958650

>>16955641
I'm only in to ideologies for beautiful people.

>> No.16958656

>>16957692
David Benatar I think. Better Never to Have Been

>> No.16958657

>>16955641
Cope philosophy for genetic failures and depressed cat ladies

>> No.16958735

>>16958657
all philosophies are copes, so that's not saying much

>> No.16958754

>>16958735
It says something that it's a cope for genetic failures and depressed cat ladies, not a cope for normal people.

>> No.16958764

>>16958657
Yes that seems to be the whole point.

>> No.16958787

Believing in antinatalism is like believing in Zeno's paradoxes. Yes, its all very pretty and intellectual, but abjectly ridiculous in practice in that none of it is practicable.

>> No.16958807

>>16958787
>abjectly ridiculous in practice in that none of it is practicable
Do you even understand what the word means? You can choose to not have kids. It's completely different from Zeno's paradoxes.

>> No.16958827

There's nothing more pathetic than antinatalism.
It's exclusively used by the kind of wastes of space who'll use "breeder" as a pejorative.