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Did he really invent the novel? Are you telling me no one did a novel before this guy?

>> No.16949622

>>16949598
The "novel" is just telling a story in prose. Does it really make a difference if the story is told in verse? It's a trivial formal issue. Some languages are better suited for poetry, others for prose. For example Ariosto, Tasso, Boiardo, Pulci all wrote novels in verse. All of them before Cervantes. And the Hypnerotomachia Poliphili? A novel in prose 100 years before Cervantes. Read it, if you don't want to be ignorant. And Lucian? Petronius? Apuleius? All wrote novels before Cervantes. He did not invent anything, he simply appeared more "modern" than others to the eye of the modern critic.

>> No.16949637

>>16949598


HE REINVENTED IT.

>> No.16949641

Japan did it 700 years before this guy

>> No.16949645

Aren't 'Daphnis and Chloe' by Longus or 'The Satyricon' by Petronius novels?

>> No.16949856

>>16949598
There were stories in prose before him, from what I read experts still can't agree from various contenders which one is the true first novel.

>> No.16949862

>>16949641
Too bad most of their literature is unremarkable compared to the west or even their eastern neighbors.

>> No.16950053

>>16949862
Based retard

>> No.16950068

>>16949598
Fuck this overrated shitty writer

>> No.16950095

>>16950053
It's painful to hear but ultimately true, Japanese aesthetics have been made widely attractive because of anime, but they really don't offer anything of remark when compared with Chinese or western art and literature.

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>>16950095
>It's painful to hear but ultimately true, Japanese aesthetics have been made widely attractive because of anime, but they really don't offer anything of remark when compared with Chinese or western art and literature.

>> No.16950617

>>16950095
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japonisme

>> No.16950642

>>16949598
rabelais invented the modern european novel

>> No.16950647

>>16950053
he is right. japanese novels would never pass for high culture in the west.

>> No.16950733

>>16950647
You don't result intelligent when you judge a culture on the basis of a couple of books that you've read.

>> No.16950892

If the novel as a literary form is characterized by the interpenetration of plot, character and emergent moral theme, where the plot, in particular, is not drawn from mythology, history, legend or previous literature, then I think you could make a fair case for Cervantes as the innovator of the form.

>> No.16950899

>>16950617
Fucking weebs

>> No.16950906

>>16949598
>>16949641
Rome invented it. Most of their novels are lost but some are preserved. Some Greek, some Latin.

>> No.16950963

>>16949862
There’s no way you aren’t a pure translation reader.

>> No.16952108

>>16950095
>Japanese aesthetics have been made widely attractive because of anime
Hope this is ironic because it's one of the dumbest things I've read on this website.

If not, I'd like you to explain how these "Japanese aesthetics" found in anime relate to the real world.

>> No.16952166

>>16949598
He invented the MODERN novel.

>> No.16952212
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>>16950053
T. weeaboo