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The rational part of my brain tells me that modern physics and everything else looks like the universe is held together or better consists of some sort of pantheistic god. I would be a part of that god just like everyone else and probably even everything else. But the rational part of my brain also tells me to trust my intuition in that regard. And my intuition wants me to believe in a god I can talk to, and a god that can influence my fate. There have been too many occurrences where I was doubting my faith and then something highly unlikely yet very lucky happened to me the next day and this in addition to some dreams got me wondering if my rational worldview can be correct.
But unfortunately I don't see any possibility to unite pantheism/panpsychism with a god with whom I can communicate some way or another so I don't really know what to believe.
Please throw a bunch of words (or even better books, essays or other writings) I can look up in order to find the truth.

>> No.16944595

>>16944575
Panentheism. It's pantheism but with an outside. Basically a circle inside a circle

>> No.16944602

>>16944595
But what is the outer circle?

>> No.16944607

>>16944575
There is no better God than yourself, in that regard. You control your fate, you communicate to yourself - it's called consciousness.

>> No.16944634

My spirituality is that every religion is a cope, but I don't mean this in a bad way, I'm just filled with existential dread and the easiest way for me to understand religion is as a form of everyone else coping with their existence. I don't think anything our brains can come up with could possibly relate to how the world actually is beyond death, if there is one. Just like how one can't usually conceptualize of being in a dream while in one, even though it's obvious in retrospect.

I kind of believe that our souls never die, but in a terrible way in that as we fall into our death time slows more and more down until we're infinitely stuck in our dying moments. Like a limit function or whatever, I don't know.

>> No.16944636

>>16944607
So is me wanting to pray actually just a way of my subconscious to get me to meditate? And my dreams are just my subconscious again bringing up stuff to my conscious?
Very interesting thought, I like it

>> No.16944666
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16944666

Irreligious despite wishes to be religious. I often pray, to "God" or sometimes Sophia. I occasionally meditate. I've tried rosary, om-ing, jesus prayer, 99 names of God, none of it seems to grow into actual belief.

>> No.16944667

There's no God but God.

Basically.

>> No.16944680

Sunni chad checking in

>> No.16944707
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Dhikr ------> Fana
念佛 ------> 滅度

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkG-U70EjaE

>> No.16944714

>>16944575
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Wd8tAAAAMAAJ&pg=PR1#v=onepage&q&f=false

>> No.16944720

>>16944602
The outer circle is God and the inner circle is everything knowable, which God contains. Basically it's just saying that God is bigger than what is knowable but that everything knowable is still part of God.

>> No.16944731

>>16944575
ffs this board is infested with hipsters

>> No.16944733

>>16944575
I'm a chaos magician. Current paradigm is basically tantric buddhism plus stupid Landian time shit plug Egan-esque schizo beliefs along the lines of Permutation City.

>> No.16944740

>>16944720
I think I can't really wrap my head about this. What would the god look like? What's the meaning of the god outside of the world?

>> No.16944743

>>16944575
>The rational part of my brain tells me that modern physics and everything else looks like the universe is held together or better consists of some sort of pantheistic god.
I think you mixed up the rational part of your brain with something else

>> No.16944753

>>16944731
Why? Posts like >>16944666 are arguably a little cringe because religion isn't something to join just because of muh atheist counterculture but a thread about general spirituality isn't that bad huh

>> No.16944763

>>16944740
Well I mean, one example might be a form of mathematical platonism in which mathematical objects exist and give structure and meaning to physical objects. In this sense, the mathematical objects would be the "mind" of god and the physical objects his "body". But it's a metaphysical so really it's just a way of framing, I dunno. I'm not very good at metaphysics desu.

>> No.16944853

Will reading Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus, Aquinas, etc increase or decrease my existential dread?

>> No.16944855

>>16944575
Damn that pic is so comfy I want to be him /lit/ bros

>> No.16945135

>>16944855
No you don't, he's green and fat

>> No.16945152

>>16944575
>ITT we describe our spirituality/religiousness
Peterson's daughter is Sophia having descended and incarnated to crown me the prophet of the age to come
>and others recommend a book
I recommend 12 Rules for Life. It's a pretty okay self-help book. You should check it out.

>> No.16945314

>>16944575
God is unknowable, anyone claiming otherwise is being dishonest. It most likely does exist but by it's own nature we could never observe it. A benevolent god is a fantasy, god is most likely indifferent to us if I had to guess.

>> No.16945332

>>16945314
yes

>> No.16945413

>>16944575
I find it hard not to believe in god, there's just been too many things in my life that I feel couldn't have happened unless a higher power exists. The book which really helped me process these feelings into a firm and sincere belief in a higher power was Brothers Karamazov.

>> No.16945426

I see no reason to believe that anything supernatural or spiritual exists. Every apologist for religion essentially says 'if there were no god, that would make me sad. Therefore, god is real.'

Rituals and traditions are appealing to me and belief in something more seems to be good for human flourishing, but I can't make myself actually believe anything.

I keep going back to the Bible and christian writings, but words like 'grace', 'holy spirit', 'salvation', and 'faith' seem empty of all meaning to me.

>> No.16945574

>>16945426
Which apologists for religion did you actually read?

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>>16944666
>digits
are you the anti-christ?