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[Anonymous No.16943051]

Protestantism is unbiblical.

[Anonymous No.16943096]

>>16943051
based and savedpilled.
Thank you brother.

[Anonymous No.16943169]

You don't need a certain denomination to be saved. No church is perfect and never will be. This is the final red pill.

[Anonymous No.16943221]

>>16943169
The final redpill to go to Hell headlong.

[Anonymous No.16943248]

>>16943221
Every denomination finds a way to twist scripture to fit what they want to believe. What matters most is reading it yourself and praying for guidance.
>2 Timothy 4:3, KJV: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"
The time is now friend.

[Anonymous No.16943256]

I lost all interest in Catholicsm and Christianity in general when the pope came out in support of gay marriage. I don't have a problem with gay marriage, but I thought the church considered sodomy a grievous sin? So what grievous sin will they be endorsing next? abortion? euthanasia? What purpose does an outfit like that serve in anyone's life? To tell you not to jack off even if it's just because you're too poor to be married, but wealthy sodomites can get approval for marriage? That's great, but I don't need a medieval larp club to tell me this, I can just turn on the TV.

[Anonymous No.16943268]

>>16943169
For Catholics there is only one church, for Protestants there’s hundreds of different ones

[Anonymous No.16943276]

>>16943256
The pope is always spewing blasphemy. Yet catholics on here will still find some way to defend him. Pathetic really.

[Anonymous No.16943279]

>>16943051
>strawman statements about protestants
>verses out of context
I laff.

[Anonymous No.16943289]

Modern Christianity is just semantics.

It's all rotten.

[Anonymous No.16943292]

>>16943248
>2 Timothy 4:3, KJV: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"

[Anonymous No.16943306]

>>16943279
Out of context means "let me cite this other verse to avoid a direct confrontation with the cited verse that destroys my heretical delusions"

[Anonymous No.16943308]

>>16943051
imagine unironically being christian

[Anonymous No.16943317]

>>16943308
Imagine unironically believing the universe just decided to exist.

[Anonymous No.16943336]

>>16943276
Catholics defend their religion, not the current syncretic sacrilege Pope who wants a one world religion, he will be gone soon enough

[Anonymous No.16943345]

>>16943308
I shiver when I think of not being Christian because I fear THE LORD.

[Anonymous No.16943362]

>>16943317
So this... is the power... of Catholic education

[Anonymous No.16943385]

>>16943317
You don’t believe we’re just primordial energy wiggling/vibrating about in the vacuum of space and came into being for no reason what so ever? Do you not at least have crystals for their harmonious energy to larp as the ultimate atheist

Claims of knowledge must be substantiated, if you say god exists that’s a claim of knowledge, if you’re atheist and declare no god can exist that’s also a claim of knowledge

Ignorance need only be confessed, the agnostic makes such a confession and is the logical choice for those after truth

[Anonymous No.16943387]

[Anonymous No.16943393]

>>16943362
I'm not catholic. Go back to your cave atheist.
>Christians BTFO guys right? XD

[Anonymous No.16943398]

[Anonymous No.16943401]

>>16943387
>What did the first Christians believe?

>Men who lived centuries later
>First Christians

[Anonymous No.16943404]

[Anonymous No.16943409]

>>16943387
>quote mining church fathers
Wew.

[Anonymous No.16943423]

>>16943051
>imagine sitting around trying to justify ones submission to a corrupt hierarchy
Rugged men are Protestants. NPCs that sit around reading various bulls and statements from the Church to make sure they don't accidently believe something they're not supposed to believe are Catholics.

[Anonymous No.16943425]

There are verses that say priests can forgive sin, and other verses that say only God/Jesus can forgive. Doesn’t this all just prove the Bible is full of contradictions and you’re all retards?

[Anonymous No.16943447]

>>16943401
Augustine was originally a pagan who later in life converted to Christianity and contributed agnostic ideas to western philosophy, it’s completely fair to say he was/is among the early Christians

[Anonymous No.16943457]

>>16943401
The Bible was compiled so many years after the death of Christ, the Saints in those images are affirming the Traditions which were the sole means of faith practised by the early Church.

The Catholic Church was the ***ONLY*** Church in the world for ~1500 years after the death of Christ. If you think it's a false Church, then you effectively believe Christianity didn't exist legitimately on earth for hundreds and hundreds of years. Catholicism has the laying on of hands, and can trace apostolic succession back to St Peter himself.
Martin Luther removed books from the Bible, Henry VIII broke away because he wanted a divorce. Now you have thousands of Protestant sects differing on their beliefs, vs the Catholic Church which teaches the same ONE truth it always has. In spite of all the bad people who have passed through the Church, doctrine has never been contradicted which is a miracle in itself.

Try read a little Augustine or Aquinas. I used to be a hard line Protestant but it really is true that to know history is to become a Catholic. Any other position is nonsensical and falls in on itself.

[Anonymous No.16943461]

>>16943256
He doesn't support gay marriage.

[Anonymous No.16943472]

>>16943393
You could not possibly in good faith think that atheists hold a position like "the universe decided to exist" if you actually read philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16943478]

>>16943423
It's not a justification, the Bible is a Catholic book that supports Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.16943485]

>>16943425
What is delegation.

[Anonymous No.16943495]

>>16943423
>implying worship is the same as obedience

In Acts the apostles and their successors literally call for others to submit to their authority. You're taking things out of context. This is why the individualism of the United States is fundamentally incompatible with Christianity. The American spirit is "non serviam", same as the prideful Lucifer. No wonder Protestantism, with its focus on individual interpretation of scripture, appeals so much to Americans. The Gutenberg Bible was a mistake. Thank goodness for papal infallibility, else we'd be just as much of a fractured mess.

[Anonymous No.16943507]

>>16943472
The only universal belief among atheist is that it’s impossible for a divine power to exist, be it a god, gods, or something else

How reality began is not something they all agree on, read all the philosophy you want

[Anonymous No.16943512]

>>16943495
>This is why the individualism of the United States is fundamentally incompatible with Catholicism
This does more damage to Catholicism than it does to America.

[Anonymous No.16943531]

>>16943512
Rather a small Church of true believers than a sprawling one filled with people who think firearms can in any way be reconciled with the passion of Christ.

[Anonymous No.16943543]

>>16943457
I agree the Catholic church seems to be the one true church, but I have some issues with Catholicism. For example, saints such as Catherine of Siena. She claims she had a vision or something that Jesus placed a ring of foreskin on her finger and married her. How can I be expected believe that is Holy? Furthermore, her head has been preserved throughout the years and is currently on display. How is that not just plain and disgusting sacrilege?

[Anonymous No.16943557]

>>16943507
>that it’s impossible for a divine power to exist
Yea, when they think this they think of a straw maned bearded human man thats thinking of everything at once and magically doing everything at once and not "The One that IS" and an absolute and an universal and an absurd etc....

I just wonder how stupid you have to be to think like them.

[Anonymous No.16943579]

>>16943531
>Rather a small Church of true believers
True, which is why Protestantism is the future. There will always be true traditional Protestant churches. Catholicism isn't even the same church it was 60 years ago, and since it is entirely top-heavy there is not a single part of the Catholic Church that is still true even to Catholicism. You're just too stupid to have realized.

There will always be a small parish in the swamps of Louisiana or wherever. There will never be a Catholic parish that is not a Vatican 2 Catholic parish.

[Anonymous No.16943594]

>>16943543
The visions of the Saints aren't doctrine. You aren't required to believe them any more than you're required to believe miracles recorded by the Church. I find great value in some Saints- Augustine, Aquinas, Therese of Lisieux- but less so in others. If it can help you grow in holiness, grow closer to God, then good.

There are elements of Catholicism I likewise don't completely subscribe to. However, as you say, when I began seriously considering my faith a few years ago, praying and reading the philosophy, theology, history, I came to the conclusion that if Christianity is true, Catholicism has the best claim to legitimacy.

[Anonymous No.16943596]

the bible is a pretty dumb book so i'm happy people are taking it less literally

[Anonymous No.16943606]

>>16943051
Luther literally removed 'and works' from the bible and justified it by an argument about German grammar, no shit Protestantism is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.16943607]

>>16943594
>Catholicism has the best claim to legitimacy.
ehem fililoque was inserted into the symbol of faith through time arbitrarily and acepted even though it was never there originally ehem

[Anonymous No.16943613]

>>16943579
>True traditional Protestant Churches
Which ones? Different Protestant sects are still splintering into existence today.

>Catholicism isn't the same Church is was 60 years ago
False. Doctrine remains the same as ever, even if the means of worship differed after Vatican 2.

>There will never be a Catholic parish that is not a Vatican 2 Catholic parish.
How can you not see that this is a great indicator of a Church's legitimacy?

I strongly, strongly recommend that you read a little on Aristotelian teleology, and then what Augustine and Aquinas have to say. Just spark notes it to get the gist if you can't be bothered to read. I am convinced you will find yourself drawn to conversion. Protestantism falls apart when you look at it closely.

[Anonymous No.16943630]

>>16943607
Orthodoxy is up there and I greatly wish the East and West could be reconciled, however your Church leaders have all excommunicated each other and the inconsistency of your attitudes to abortion are troubling enough for me to remain with Rome for now. Still, your sacraments are valid. Pray for me friend, God bless you.

[Anonymous No.16943644]

>>16943051
isnt the whole protestant thing to follow The Bible and The Bible only? i dont really get the huge disagreements over different flavors of the same religion

[Anonymous No.16943654]

>>16943543
What’s the source on that, I tried searching and can’t find the original

[Anonymous No.16943666]

>>16943512
Because America is doing great and definitely not in decay wrought upon it by radical individualism.

>>16943495
American Protestantism/Evangelism is literally entirely based on removing works from James and Luke, justifying being a shitty person by claiming that one has "faith". It, and Liberalism by extension are literally antithetical to Christianity.

[Anonymous No.16943675]

>>16943579
Yes the Catholic church is cucked.
You know what isn't, EASTERN ORTHODOXY!

[Anonymous No.16943677]

>>16943457
>to worship history is to become a Catholic

[Anonymous No.16943681]

>>16943613
>How can you not see that this is a great indicator of a Church's legitimacy?
control =/= legitimacy
>I strongly, strongly recommend that you read a little on Aristotelian teleology
Sure, and then I'll go sacrifice thigh of oxen to Zeus like Aristotle. Stop pretending your abstractions and navelgazing leads to the Biblical God.

[Anonymous No.16943682]

>>16943654
No clue

[Anonymous No.16943688]

>>16943644
Protestantism removed works from 'faith and works'. This is a radically different, and incredibly unchristian version of Christianity.

[Anonymous No.16943691]

>>16943630
>Churches tied to ethnicity, not one Patriarch can tell other peoples what to do
>Patriarchies excommunicate and reconcile with each other fin time but every believer treats each other normaly
>Inconsistency of abortions is due to different churches of ethnicities having different stances, making NGO manipulation extremely hard because Globohomo has to do it for every Church from the scratch, most of the time failing to understand individual people churches making attempts futile

There are many benefits, and many of """New Churches""" have a big political and geopolitical backstory with main attemt to brin general orthodoxy under the heel like otehr denominations. Its literally easier to break us apart than change our faith.

[Anonymous No.16943698]

>>16943666
I agree with you, think you must have intended to reply to the person I was replying to.

[Anonymous No.16943700]

>>16943607
Orthodogs had papal primacy until they decided they didn't.
>Canon 3 of the Council of Constantinople.
>"The Bishop of Constantinople, however, shall have the prerogative of honour after the Bishop of Rome because Constantinople is New Rome."
>AFTER the Bishop of Rome.

[Anonymous No.16943704]

>>16943447
>Augustine 354–430 AD
You can call him an early Christian, maybe. But certainly not the first.

>>16943457
>The Catholic church was the ***ONLY*** church in the world for 1500 years

What are Arians, Monophysites, Nestorians, or even Orthodox?

You can't seriously believe church doctrine and practice have been fixed and uniform throughout time and space.

[Anonymous No.16943705]

>>16943666
>Because America is doing great and definitely not in decay wrought upon it by radical individualism.
oh noooeeeee nations do not last forever?!??!?! WHAT THE FUCK!
>>16943675
KGB controlled nonsense. Orthodoxy is just Catholicism but with more sectarianism. You still give away your communion with the Triune God to silly men in dresses that have confused their ritualism with spirituality.

[Anonymous No.16943707]

>>16943681
You think Aristotle worshiped Zeus?

[Anonymous No.16943715]

>>16943644
Yes, but only in the parts they like.

[Anonymous No.16943718]

>>16943700
Yea there was that think where Patriarch of Rome was not above Emperor, was not allowed to control parishes outside of the Patriarchy and was only first of the equal and not a religious dictator.

[Anonymous No.16943740]

>>16943707
>no, he was a proto-Christian
cope

[Anonymous No.16943748]

>>16943718
Orthodogs had been COPING with papal primacy as it is today understood for centuries before the Schism took place. Or do you think the "religious dictator" appeared at the very moment the Pope excommunicated the Patriarch of Constantinople? It took CENTURIES to develop. Meanwhile, patriarchs had been AGREEING with their ACCOMPLICE SILENCE until they hypocritically decided they never did.

[Anonymous No.16943763]

>>16943705

> Ritualism
I've heard this line from a lot of moronic Americans who go to orthodox churches, not understanding the language, and confuse the rites for ritualism, not realizing that this is literally a sermon.

> KGB
I wasn't aware the KGB operates in Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Armenia, etc.

And you still can't explain why I should believe in faith alone.

[Anonymous No.16943782]

>>16943308
imagine unironically NOT being christian

[Anonymous No.16943791]

>>16943763
Here you go
>http://christlutherantoronto.org/sermons/bible-verses-showing-justification-by-faith-alone

[Anonymous No.16943812]

>>16943791
Man, you're already demonstrated unbiblical by the image in the OP, but you keep justifying your nonsense. Don't you have shame?

[Anonymous No.16943858]

>>16943812
OP image is complete retardation. Can't even be bothered to quote the actual scriptures but instead just gives his own renditions of the passages. Sad!
>p-protestants allow divorce
Yeah unlike Catholicism... Definitely doesn't have a history of divorce.

[Anonymous No.16943903]

>>16943317
>Imagine unironically believing not being christian automatically means you don't believe in any religion at all. Not that atheism means "the universe just decided to exist" anyway. I have my own beliefs, including belief in a creator/creators but I see no reason to believe in the god of the christians.

[Anonymous No.16944000]

>>16943791
> For God so loved the world, that He gave his only Son, that
whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life

This is an argument for universalism at best.

> Romans 1: 16-17, “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the
power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and
also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith
for faith as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

Doesn't say faith alone. Basic logical fallacy. All righteous live by faith does not mean that the non-righteous don't also live by "faith". Indeed, righteousness entails works, and furthermore, does true faith not also entail works? If I murder dozens, and rape children, but have "faith," why would I be righteous. Indeed none of the examples read "faith alone".

> Romans 3:22, “the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for
all who believe. For there is no distinction”
Again, doesn't necessarily entail faith alone.

And this continues ad nauseum.

And then the
>James 2:24, Good works are evidence of faith, but they do not earn us salvation
meme

Noone is claiming that it's works alone, it's faith AND works.

[Anonymous No.16944053]

>>16943858
>OP image is retarded = I don't want to address the verses because I would end up crying
>divorce
The Anglicans broke up with Catholicism because a fat bong king wanted to get divorced.

[Anonymous No.16944783]

>>16943748
If you think that Patriarch were treating Patriarch of Rome as anything other than they are treating current Ecumenical Patriarch you are deluded.

There is a lot to dispute in even Jesus implying that Peter should be his representative and even then that it implied religious dictatorship that became of it. Like God would ever want that evil shit anywhere near him.