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Anonymous Wed Dec 2 18:51:19 2020 No.16930266 [Reply] [Original]

NEETzschetards, IF Christianity preaches slave morality, why do theologians like Mariana or St. Thomas Aquinas justify tyrannicide? Isn't it contradictory?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 18:53:05 2020 No.16930275 Slave morality is the imposition of the will of the weak over the strong so it makes perfect sense for them to advocate for tyrannicide.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 18:54:38 2020 No.16930289 >>16930266 Why would you be surprised a bible written by dozens of different authors produce contradictory eclecticism

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 19:13:24 2020 No.16930402 >>16930275 If they’re able to impose their will on others, aren’t they really the strong ones?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 19:16:59 2020 No.16930433 >>16930402 No. It's really about putting shackles on the strong, vilifying things like power and strength in favor of piety and charity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 19:19:59 2020 No.16930455 >>16930266 The good man, though a slave, is free, and the evil man, though a king, is slave, for he has as many masters as vices Augustine /thread

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 19:56:52 2020 No.16930772
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>>16930275
The weak imposing his will over the strong is a paradox. Strength is defined in relation to who holds the power over whom, NietzscheLARPer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 20:45:14 2020 No.16931129 Time to BUMP so NEETzchefaggots SEETHE HARD.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:41:38 2020 No.16931493 >>16930402 yes! but it is a strength of perversion which dominates by weakening the life affirming impulses of men. So while it is strong, and does win, it leads down a self-destructive avenue for humanity.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:49:57 2020 No.16931562
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>>16931493
>weakening the life affirming impulses of men.
How is counter- impulses of men plotting an assassination? It's the most life affirming thing one can do in his entire life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:49:47 2020 No.16931904 >>16930266 >Isn't it contradictory? No, what gave you that idea?

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:09:04 2020 No.16932039
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>>16931904
The fact that no "slave morality" would even try to disrupt or challenge the oppressive force of the master, not to talk about assassinating him? Look at our modern post-Nietzschean atheists, for example, they have been educated in loving their chains.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:27:13 2020 No.16932143

>>16932039
>The fact that no "slave morality" would even try to disrupt or challenge the oppressive force of the master, not to talk about assassinating him?
Ressentiment is a slave's game, though. Slave morality is not about being obedient, but about inverting the morality of the master. It's reactionary by nature.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:32:09 2020 No.16932170

christianity is weak and permissive. also its totalitarian, violent and puritanical. also dont forget that its a jewish, non european religion. its also anti semitic- lets not forget that. all christianity does is prop up the state and status quo, but we need to get rid of it because its adherents dont recognise the state as the highest authority and hold progress back.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:41:48 2020 No.16932241

>>16932143
There's no inversion of morality in a tyrannicide lmao. The tyrannicide is not about changing the morality of the tyrant, it's about killing the tyrant. It's the will to power in its purity, in fact, the tyrant very likely has done the same in order to be a tyrant.

Loool the Nietzchefags think christianly justified tyrannicides are like "please sir tyrant! don't be so evil!"

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:43:14 2020 No.16932249

>>16930275
Didn't Nietzsche explicitly say if the will of the weaker whether it be in the masses or a single figure, if it can conquer the stronger, then he is no longer the stronger?

I mean isn't Nietzsche's supposed contradictoriness a big part of his philosophy? It's the same way he's both and neither a pro-semite or antisemite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:44:06 2020 No.16932258 >>16932039 S.J. Marianna only justifies Tyrannicide in the case of an usurping scenario, not just killing the King because you dislike him.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:48:50 2020 No.16932283 >>16932241 Tyrannicide is not Christian.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:51:00 2020 No.16932297

>>16932258
No, he doesn't.
>”Mas si el príncipe reina por consentimiento del pueblo o por derecho hereditario, tengo para mí que ha de sufrírsele con todos sus vicios, mientras no huelle las leyes a que se sujetara a su encumbramiento […]”
>MIENTRAS (condition of exception) no huelle las leyes a que se sujetara a su encumbramiento.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:52:01 2020 No.16932304

>>16932283
Tyrannicide is justifiable in the case of an usurpation, as Marianna/St. Augustine argued; however they do advise that those with the responsibility (governors or other heads of state) take appropriate action to kill the usurper.

It only seems unchristian to you because we don't live in time of monarchies.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:56:47 2020 No.16932323

>>16932304
>It only seems unchristian to you because we don't live in time of monarchies.
More like monarchies only seem Christian to you because of historian meddling. The metaphysics of Christianity is still slave morality at its core. It always was, even when the master morality of pagan societies was alive and strong in governments and simply wore the Christian faith as a mask to meet halfway with the resentful masses.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:10:53 2020 No.16932375

>>16932323
>More like monarchies only seem Christian to you because of historian meddling

not even a topic of discussion in my post, but the idea of monarchies being at least OK with Christianity goes back to the Kingdom of Israel in OT and beyond

>The metaphysics of Christianity is still slave morality at its core.

who cares

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:13:48 2020 No.16932389 >>16932323 >the whole point of the religion is bringing some guy's kingdom from heaven to the earth >More like monarchies only seem Christian to you because of historian meddling Holy fuck boys we're reaching a new level of delusion.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:24:06 2020 No.16932435

>>16932375
>>16932389
Monarchies were OK with Christianity because Christians were useful idiots under them (for a while). It made the masses obedient and ripe for work.

>who cares
You don't care that Christianity is slave morality at its core? Isn't that what you were arguing against?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:26:10 2020 No.16932447 >>16932435 >Christianity itzzzz zlave morality!! >nooo monarchies ar ene not christian >nooo tyrannicide is not christian >NOOOOOOOOO EVERYTHING BASERINO FROM CHRISTIANITY THAT DENYES '''''cHRISTIAN SLAVE MORALITY''''''' DOESN'T EXIST

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 05:41:14 2020 No.16933609 >>16930266 Read what is slave morality in other sources Wikipedia and then call me fucking retard lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 08:11:38 2020 No.16934232 >>16932323 Pagans were so weak they got replaced LOL

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 08:15:28 2020 No.16934257 >Isn't it contradictory? What, Christianity? Yes, obviously

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 09:44:45 2020 No.16934689 >>16933609 O wise man, enlighten us, explain how tyrannicide is peak slave morality.

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