Find me one (1) fault

[Anonymous No.16918047]

when even Christian theologians can only offer tepid arguments at best and their contemporary Muslim scholars are thriving (even in the current year, the cream of the crop for Christian apologists are the likes of David Wood).
So why scrutinize a book that has no calls to aggression in it, while the Bible certainly does?

[Anonymous No.16918053]

>>16918047
Stole syrian Christian stories but whatever

[Anonymous No.16918056]

>>16918047
Just link your fucking discord already.

[Anonymous No.16918061]

>>16918053
Abrahamic religions have stories in them that predate their first scriptures (flood, genesis, etc). That does in no way mean that their scriptures are invalid.

[Anonymous No.16918066]

>>16918053
Debunked. Stop reading w*Stern """scholars"""

[Anonymous No.16918067]

>>16918056
Just explain the trinity already, an act which you should have done since the concept's inception.

Here, your hero:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrNMc0VTDUA

[Anonymous No.16918075]

>>16918061
To someone not affiliated it just cements the idea that these works aren’t very original and divinely inspired.

[Anonymous No.16918082]

>>16918075
Christians have been trying to figure out their book for 2000 years while Muslims had it right from the beginning. Any respected Muslim scholar wipes the floor with any other denomination - even theists and philosophers.

[Anonymous No.16918083]

The Qu'ran asserts that the Bible is true. The Qu'ran contradicts the Bible in a number of places, one example being in who adopted Moses. For hundreds of years Muslims didn't realize this and happily asserted that the Bible was true until the contradictions were discovered, and now they assert without evidence that the Bible was corrupted. This is not a good argument because we have manuscripts which predate Muhammad, which means if the argument was true that Muhammad or God asserted the corrupted books as true. So even if the Muslims were correct and the Bible is corrupted, there's still a falsehood in the Qu'ran and this contradicts Gods nature, exposing the religion as false.

I've brought this up to discord trannies many different times and it's always ignored and a few days from now you'll just make another thread pretending the Qu'ran is this perfect book.

[Anonymous No.16918091]

>>16918082
I don’t intellectually respect any Muslim who is not a quranist.

[Anonymous No.16918096]

>>16918083
And the Bible says that there are talking donkeys and snakes, yet Christians say those aren't real.

[Anonymous No.16918099]

>>16918096
See what I mean? No engagement with the argument.

[Anonymous No.16918109]

>>16918099
The Bible was corrupted though. The scribes of the manuscripts literally deleted and added what they wanted.

[Anonymous No.16918116]

>>16918109
Do you understand why it doesn't matter in the context of this argument? If the Bible was corrupted, that means Muhammad or God through him asserted a falsehood as true. This contradicts Gods nature so the Qu'ran cannot be true.

[Anonymous No.16918120]

>>16918099
He proved a valid point in that the Bible is full of stories that Christians don't even dare believe.
How are they supposed to convince Muslims that their book is the unaltered truth when they consider parts of their book as untrue? Frankly it confirms the Muslim POV that the Bible has suffered corruption throughout the centuries, something you tactfully omitted in >>16918083

And in case any politically and religiously biased people come in here to insult and derail: I'll remind them with friendly concern that Muslims are bound to inherit Western Europe by 2050.

[Anonymous No.16918128]

>>16918120
This is fallacious because the argument isn't that Christianity or the Bible is true. It's that Islam is false.

[Anonymous No.16918129]

>>16918091
Is it possible to read the quran without tafisr/interpretation?

[Anonymous No.16918133]

>>16918128
It's not fallacious because Muslims still tell Christians to hold to the gospels if they wish to remain Christian, but that Islam is the truth.

[Anonymous No.16918139]

>>16918129
>>16918091
Irrelevant because we are talking about the Qur'an.

[Anonymous No.16918153]

>>16918129
The idea that you have to read anything and rely on human language for knowledge of the divine is already a strike against you, in my opinion anyway.

[Anonymous No.16918154]

>>16918133
I genuinely am starting to think the Muslims on here simply cannot think in a rational or truthful way. I'm not arguing that Christianity or the bible is true. The Qu'ran asserts that the Bible is true, but the Qu'ran contradicts the Bible. If the Bible is corrupted that means it's false, so why should Christians hold to books that are false? Who else but the devil would command people to hold falsehoods?

[Anonymous No.16918162]

>>16918154
Find me a verse in the Qur'an that makes you think this and I will try to address it to the best of my ability.

[Anonymous No.16918163]

>>16918116
It's clear then that Allah was referring to the uncorrupted manuscripts of the Bible.

[Anonymous No.16918172]

>>16918096
I'm a christian and i say they were real

[Anonymous No.16918182]

>>16918163
If it's so clear then why did Muslims up to Al-Ghazali believe the bible was as perfectly true as the Qu'ran?

>>16918162
What the hell are you asking for? There's no verse that exists which states that if the Bible is corrupt that means it's false. You shouldn't need a verse to know that's the truth of that statement. This is what I mean when I say you people cannot think. The devil took that away from you.

[Anonymous No.16918185]

david wood btfo islam.

>O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity.

KEK, this is so obviously muhammed talking and not allah

[Anonymous No.16918186]

>>16918154
>The Qu'ran asserts that the Bible is true
No it fucking doesn't, christcuck.

[Anonymous No.16918191]

>allah says muslims can only have (4?) wives
>a few years later,muhammed wants another wife

"oh guys i got a new revelation, allah says I can have more than you guys.

not only is that obivously muhammed speaking , if allah is omnisicent he would have said "muslims can only have 4 wives except muhammed he can have more"

also the quran says obviously fake shit like king solomon was secretely a muslim and so were adam and eve

[Anonymous No.16918193]

>>16918186
Dishonest bastards.

https://answering-islam.org/Campbell/s2c1.html

[Anonymous No.16918194]

>>16918191
What else were they? Christcucks? LOL

[Anonymous No.16918195]

>>16918182
Deflecting like a faggot, I see.

>>16918185
could be/would be etc...
The point stands that there's no internal errors in the Qur'an, whereas the Bible does have them.

>>16918186
Well spoken, that retard couldn't even find sources, he just regurgitated his youtube preacher.

[Anonymous No.16918197]

>>16918182
Muhammad said that the Bible was corrupted, too. You're already BTFO.

[Anonymous No.16918209]

>>16918197
>>16918194
Funniest thing: now they're going to derail or change the goalposts in an attempt to cover up their sloppiness.
I'll pray for all of their health, they are obviously not doing well.

[Anonymous No.16918220]

>>16918209
stop appealing to the audience christshit

[Anonymous No.16918230]

>>16918220
I am on your side, read again
they are trying to shift the narrative somewhere else, away from their original attempt at assaulting the Qur'an.

[Anonymous No.16918252]

>>16918230
oh, my bad
the post was ambiguous

[Anonymous No.16918267]

>>16918252
It's not really Muslim behavior to derail except maybe on youtube comments.

[Anonymous No.16918280]

>>16918047
>why scrutinize a book that has no calls to aggression in it
>slay the idolators wherever you find them

[Anonymous No.16918285]

>>16918194
jews?

[Anonymous No.16918361]

>>16918280
I knew you were going to say that.
I'll give you ONE chance at redemption: post the verse in its full context.
If not, I'll do it and make you look like a proper fool.

[Anonymous No.16918394]

>>16918361
why do you talk like a youtube debate? this is hylic behaviour, not befitting a religious man.

[Anonymous No.16918398]

>>16918195
keep subhuman, you literally have no arguments.

[Anonymous No.16918404]

>>16918220
retarded muzzdog reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.16918481]

>>16918185
>david wood
lol

[Anonymous No.16918530]

>>16918361
You've gone silent. I thought the proper context was about to absolutely BTFO me.

[Anonymous No.16918650]

>>16918361
>>16918280
>>16918398
>>16918394
>>16918530
Prepare to get swatted like flies.

"Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know."

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=5
And of course you'll cry taqiyya now, or anything else that makes Muslims look disingenuous, whereas you have been doing nothing else but omitting context and misquoting. Lmao.

[Anonymous No.16918655]

>>16918154
>>16918083
>The Qu'ran asserts that the Bible is true, but the Qu'ran contradicts the Bible
it asserts that the Bible came from the divine, yes. It highly respects the people who follows the Bible because the moral message still remains.
It has a bone to pick with the doctrine of Christianity.

>Muslims didn't realize this and happily asserted that the Bible was true until the contradictions were discovered
This line of thinking is totally bereft of any intellectual mulling, I have no idea how this gets passed around. The Quran has stated in multiple verses claiming the Bible has been tempered with, I do not get what this exposes..

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[Anonymous No.16918687]

>>16918675
>>16918666
>>16918657
The sign of a lost argument.

[Anonymous No.16918691]

[Anonymous No.16918702]

[Anonymous No.16918726]

Not gonna bother posting more.. desu
Too stupid to argue with these ''ppl''

[Anonymous No.16918739]

>>16918726
Nothing in that imagine actually addresses the Qur'an's content, only the wrongdoings of humans, which are not perfect.

[Anonymous No.16918751]

TEST [let's see if this post gets vanished... only happens in Islam related threads]

[Anonymous No.16918755]

>>16918702
>>16918691
>>16918684
Nice spam.

[Anonymous No.16918761]

>>16918751
lmao, okay, let's try:
in response to >>16918650
i've read it before, it's still a "call to aggression"

[Anonymous No.16918769]

>>16918739
Yes it does,
Besides, anyone with IQ over room 80 can see your shits retarded.
Thats why you ''ppl'' did nothing of value in this world. And even those rare few who did, were called apostates becouse in islam its illegal to use your brain.

[Anonymous No.16918775]

>>16918761
It's a call to defend themselves as a religion against those who wish to kill them (and shown willingness to do so through betrayal and warfare).
Self-defense is not aggression, okay maybe in the cucked West.

Now take a well deserved rest my friend, you obviously need some time to recover.

[Anonymous No.16918783]

>>16918769
>the Qur'an is WROOOOOOOOOOOONG
>"why?"
>because Muslims this Muslims that

hilarious.

[Anonymous No.16918797]

>>16918769
Hinduism btfo.

[Anonymous No.16918800]

>>16918775
>kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush
>self-defence

[Anonymous No.16918815]

>>16918800
>>16918650
In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie. [Quran, 2:10]

[Anonymous No.16918830]

>>16918783
Why the quran is retarded i explained in the previus post.
Pages of your shit were eaten by an actual fucking sheep. Verse were forgoten becouse you were weither too stupid to remember them or died in a battle.
Your ''book'' is litelary compiled from writtings found on bones and skin on animals and was compiled year after Muhamad had died.

Even your most respected apologists droped the ball on this with Yasir Qadhi admiting the Quran was not preserved.

Meanwhile you ppl cry about ''Bible being corupted'', while in reality we have manuscripts who are dated to 30 years after the original. We have so many manuscrips we can be 100 % certain that all the things you find in the bible was actually written by the Apostles.

[Anonymous No.16918845]

>>16918815
The mental gymanstics.
With shit like this you can justify anthing. And it does explain why everywhere you are is a shithole.

[Anonymous No.16918848]

>>16918172
You’re a dumbass, then.

[Anonymous No.16918853]

>>16918047
What is it with this recent influx of seething Mohammedans? Did a telecoms company just wire up some podunk Middle East country recently?

[Anonymous No.16918868]

>>16918830
>Why the quran is retarded i explained in the "previus" post.
Not so fast. You "explained" very weakly, as if stuttering almost, with an attempt to link the failings of humans to the Qur'an. A false argument as the book is perfect according to Muslims and you haven't done anything to show them why it isn't. So if you want to think like that, then admit also that Christianity is wrong because Christians can do bad things and that Judaism is the true religion since you love to suck off Nobel prize winners so much.

>Pages of your shit were eaten by an actual fucking sheep. Verse were forgoten becouse you were weither too stupid to remember them or died in a battle.
That's also untrue and you know it. Post a historical account of it and I'll debate you. Do that for once: look it up for yourself and maybe you'll discover the actual truth. I'm not going to spoonfeed it to you as you are quite unwilling to accept that you were wrong on certain occasions, see my previous post.

>>16918830
>Your ''book'' is litelary compiled from writtings found on bones and skin on animals and was compiled year after Muhamad had died.
Okay, very cool.

>Even your most respected apologists droped the ball on this with Yasir Qadhi admiting the Quran was not preserved.
The WORD OF ALLAH is preserved.

[Anonymous No.16918931]

>>16918868
>Not so fast. You "explained" very weakly, as if stuttering almost
Typical mudshit thing with shit like: ''Really embarasing'' ''Your career is over'' etc.
I listed a number of things which point at Prophet giving himself special privileges in his ''revelations'', that is enough for me - which priviliges did Jesus give himself?

Also other stuff like: You can kill Infidels, you can kill apostated, you can lie to infindels.. Alah is the great deciever etc.

>That's also untrue and you know it. Post a historical account of it and I'll debate you. Do that for once: look it up for yourself and maybe you'll discover the actual truth.
Sahih al-Muslim 2286
Sunna Ibn Majah 1944
Utham also had all other Qurans burnt, werent those preserved too?

>The WORD OF ALLAH is preserved.

Yasih Quadhi had an interview and he accidentaly revealed there are ''holes in the narative''. I cant link you the direct video becouse he deleted it (obviusly).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V73m8RPIIg

[Anonymous No.16918940]

>>16918769
Islam and Hinduism are the most complex religions. All religions are dumbed down for the masses

[Anonymous No.16918964]

>>16918940
>shitbrown cults bickering over local petty godlets and interpretations of irreconcilable texts and edicts
Yeah, for a given definition of "complex" that's certainly true

[Anonymous No.16918971]

>>16918940
>Islam
>complex
You do have to do a massive ammount of lying and mental gymnastics in order to sell it to anyone with a brain. Born muslims are not allowed to question it or its expulsion or death.

[Anonymous No.16919005]

holy shit christoids are getting btfo in here

[Anonymous No.16919011]

>>16919005
>poster count didn't increase
Silence, Machmood.

[Anonymous No.16919049]

>>16919011
i literally, unironically, knew you were going to try that cope

[Anonymous No.16919061]

>>16918931
Which privileges? Can you name them? Being a prophet is a daunting task. Jesus had privileges too, so had all other prophets.

>Also other stuff like: You can kill Infidels, you can kill apostated, you can lie to infindels.. Alah is the great deciever etc.
Show me the Qur'an verses which say that.
(you can't and won't, and will try to lie about something else while being called out on your prior lies).

[Anonymous No.16919070]

>>16918931
Oh right it's the nigga posting hadith like a frenzied dog.

[Anonymous No.16919072]

>>16918047
nobody who starts/baits islam vs christianity arguments online is going to heaven

[Anonymous No.16919097]

>>16919049
>I literally, unironically, inspect elemented just now
Did you not hear me when I told you to be silent, gene-trash?

[Anonymous No.16919100]

>>16919072
It really is only online where it's this shit, I've had nice discussions with Christians in real life

[Anonymous No.16919107]

>>16919097
>Did you not hear me when I told you to be silent, gene-trash?

[Anonymous No.16919110]

>>16919097
>christoids constantly lying to try to "win"
just another day of 4channel

[Anonymous No.16919118]

>>16919110
>n-no u
Cool and based post Achmed

[Anonymous No.16919142]

>>16919118
>discordxtian raids high-minded discussion of the Quran
this isn't going to convert anyone, preacher

[Anonymous No.16919164]

>>16919142
Lmao, Christcucks trembling so hard right now.

[Anonymous No.16919394]

>>16919110
>>16919118
>>16918931
https://discover-the-truth.com/2020/06/10/the-age-of-marriage-and-sex-in-the-bible/

THE BIBLE HAS UNDERAGE MARRIAGE TOO HAHAHAHHAHAHAA

[Anonymous No.16919447]

>>16919394
>hoping to read about child marriage in the bible
>get never-ending quotes from people guessing that marriage was usually young two thousand years ago
lame and obvious

[Anonymous No.16919468]

>>16919142
What are you talking about, Mohammedan?
"If X is your enemy, every enemy you face is X" is a frankly deranged mode of thought.

[Anonymous No.16919478]

>>16919468
>Mohammedan
Ironic that you're using that term. Obviusly your mindset about Islam is still stuck in the Middle ages

[Anonymous No.16919480]

>>16919468
youre not fooling anyone

[Anonymous No.16919489]

>>16919447
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/08/07/a-detailed-historical-examination-of-numbers-3118/

[Anonymous No.16919504]

>>16919394
>o-obviously it happened, just listen to this modern kike Epstein's slanderous allegations and sweeping assumptions
>no evidence anywhere
>unlike Mohammed's documented habit of thighfucking his toddler bride until she turned 9
You embarrass yourself and your newfound faith, you Mohammedan converso.
>>16919480
>n-no everyone who argues with me is a Discorder! Nobody would agree with my cultist threadspamming organically!
Silence.

[Anonymous No.16919514]

>>16919478
shut up libcuck
islam should be "stuck" in the iron age

[Anonymous No.16919521]

>>16919504
Your cuck friend David Wood got btfo by Mohammad Hijab.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWWGA_607MI

Here's another one in which Christian claims about Islam get btfo.

[Anonymous No.16919523]

>>16919514
>libcuck
I'm a Muslim, bro
>islam should be "stuck" in the iron age
Sounds like you'd fit right in

[Anonymous No.16919542]

>>16919504
>noooooooo you can't fuck little girls it's wroooooooooong
>why?
>...
>:|
"b-but it traumatizes them" who cares? it's your fucking wife bro

[Anonymous No.16919552]

>>16919542
You must be falseflagging, not even Muslim apologists are this open about pedo shit.

[Anonymous No.16919553]

>>16918047
1. There is no god
2. You're a Muslim trying to convert people, otherwise you wouldn't even know who David Wood is.
3. Your religion is abhorrent.
4. There are certainly calls to violence the the Qur'an -- a book worth spitting on.
5. You've never read the Qur'an.

[Anonymous No.16919556]

>>16919542
>Mohammedan converso is a western pedophile attempting to legitimize his mental defect
Were you ever a member of the "incel" movement? Getting that vibe.
>>16919521
Who?

[Anonymous No.16919561]

>>16919552
you don't know what apologist means

[Anonymous No.16919564]

>>16919556
Exactly. No anti-Islamist would dare attack the Qur'an internally. They'd always cry about muh morality (from a w*stern pov).

[Anonymous No.16919574]

>>16919561
A person who offers an argument in defence of something controversial.

Is noncery controversial? It is in the West.

[Anonymous No.16919580]

>>16919564
Suffer the little children. Lead them not into sin.
When the time comes, you will be lashed to a stone and drowned in the sea, as per the edict of Christ.

[Anonymous No.16919587]

>>16919574
an apologist would say stuff like "the hadith is fake", "she was actually 16" or "people used to mature earlier"

[Anonymous No.16919589]

>>16919580
Harsh truth for Christians to swallow is that the man they worship will come to judge them for this sin on the final day.

[Anonymous No.16919599]

>>16919580
partaking of your lawful wife's cunny isn't a sin

[Anonymous No.16919603]

>>16919589
Say that again, but in plain speech instead of a veiled, snide, womanly snipe.

[Anonymous No.16919608]

>>16919599
>cunnyseur LARPing as an islamist online
So, when are you getting yourself circumcised?

[Anonymous No.16919610]

>>16919603
he's saying you're going to hell christcuck

[Anonymous No.16919612]

>>16919603
Look at how you address the way it's written oh so well, but wouldn't even dare to imagine an actual retort.

Where did Jesus pbuh say "I am God, worship me"?

[Anonymous No.16919623]

>>16919608
abraham circumcised himself when he was 80 I still have time

[Anonymous No.16919637]

>>16919610
Yes, in a snide and womanly way, citing no piece of scripture, neither Christian or Mohammedan.
>>16919612
>another retarded Ehrmanism
His divinity was declared from the Heavens, and He described Himself as the Son of God.

[Anonymous No.16919642]

>>16919623
t. Deathbed confesser who never intended to convert or repent bound for Hell on a raft of slothful insincerity

[Anonymous No.16919650]

>>16919610
>>16919637
Idolaters go to the fire.

[16:21] And those on whom they call beside Allah, create not anything, but they are themselves created.

‘Yet they have taken Gods beside Him; Gods who create nothing but are themselves created, and who have no power to harm or benefit themselves, nor have they any power over death or life or Resurrection.’ (25:4)

And when it is said to them, ‘What do you think of that which ‘your lord’ has sent down? They say, ‘O they are mere stories f the ancients.’ [16:24]

‘…Verily you have taken for yourselves idols beside Allah, out of love for each other in the present life. Then on the Day of Resurrection you will deny each other, and curse each other. And your abode will be the Fire; and you will have no helpers.’ [29:26]

[Anonymous No.16919661]

>>16919642
stop bible thumping so hard I'm not a medieval peasant

[Anonymous No.16919662]

>>16919650
>the Son of God
>an idol
Good Lord, I've never heard a hypothesis so wrong in my life. You may well be beyond God's grace.

[Anonymous No.16919703]

>>16919662
Jesus is not God. The trinity is not real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfo_IMb0t6M

[Anonymous No.16919729]

>>16919703
Watch them ignore this, it will be fun.

[Anonymous No.16919732]

>>16919703
>posting 80IQ YouTube Christians vs muzzies content as an argument
Mohammed was not a prophet. Jesus was without flaw or sin- Mohammed changed his doctrines on the fly in the pursuit of worldly pleasure. It is not too late to turn from your sin.

[Anonymous No.16919745]

>>16919732
>Jesus was without flaw
jesus was a virgin lmao, okay incel

[Anonymous No.16919747]

>>16919732
Jesus: "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one" (Mark 12:29, Romans 3:29-30, James 2:19).

[Anonymous No.16919758]

>>16919747
Yes, and?
>>16919745
He was the King of Kings, obviously volcel.

[Anonymous No.16919776]

>>16919758
Look, you had your chance, you dismissed the YouTube video and everyone itt will see this as weakness, so think carefully before you decide to represent your religion like that.
How will they believe in your arguments if you don't believe yourself?

Jesus pbuh never said anything about the trinity, never.
The only reference of the trinity wasn't even made by Paul, and made by John it was expunged later so it is invalid.

[Anonymous No.16919783]

>>16919732
Here,

a video with a length that fits your attention span:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ZOFm5AguQ

[Anonymous No.16919808]

John 14:28

“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

[Anonymous No.16919812]

>>16919776
Read John 14 in its entirety before replying to this post.
When replying to this post, explain John 14.

[Anonymous No.16919830]

>>16919812
You have had plenty of options friend, I have already shown you two videos, which you did not watch no you actually ignored them.
Very dangerous game we are playing here because it may lead people into evil, do you understand? If you are here to troll then go away and think about what you are doing first.

John has fabrications in it, Jesus pbuh only spoke the truth and nothing more. So be very careful twisting his words.

[Anonymous No.16919857]

>>16919812
If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth.

Nowhere does it say this "spirit" is divine.

[Anonymous No.16919876]

>>16919830
>Jesus the Christ, Son of God, is an idol
>the Holy Bible is largely fabricated
You insist upon spouting falsehoods and denouncing my arguments on the very basis that they do not accept your heretical falsehoods as truth.
I have spent long enough arguing with you, you insensate war-cultist.

[Anonymous No.16919887]

>>16919857
>the gift of eternal truth, granted to man by God, and reviled by the world due to the world's sinful nature, is not divine
Christ, no wonder you're a Mohammedan. Simple deductions are beyond you.

[Anonymous No.16919897]

>>16919876
Watch the YouTube videos I have linked, you will be very surprised but only if you stop closing your mind.

>>16919887
I have deduced enough, and quite frankly understand Christianity better than most Christians it seems. Show me unequivocal proof where Jesus pbuh says "I am God, worship me"?

[Anonymous No.16919916]

>>16919887
>>16919876
Where are you running to?

[Anonymous No.16919917]

>>16919897
John 14:11, you simpering heretic.

[Anonymous No.16919918]

Based Muslimchads stomping on Christians

[Anonymous No.16919923]

>>16919918
>Posters: 19
>your post
>Posters: 19
How many times will you try to astroturf support for your war-cult?

[Anonymous No.16919947]

>>16919918
>>16919923
One thing is clear as day my friend: Muslims have no problems with their beliefs being challenged, unlike Christians who need to make up more and more texts as a defence against said challenges. The Qur'an and hadith are sufficient even to this day.

Where will Christianity be in 50 years?

[Anonymous No.16919962]

>>16919947
>Muslims have no problem with their beliefs being challenged
Thousands of killings prove otherwise. Your path leads down only to death.

[Anonymous No.16919971]

>>16919947
The brazier of Christendom will burn forever under the careful eyes of its keepers, and the uncontrolled wildfire of Islam will one day burn itself out for good.

[Anonymous No.16919980]

>>16919962
>>16919918
>>16919917
Here is my servant, whom I uphold,
my chosen one in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him,
and he will bring justice to the nations.
2 He will not shout or cry out,
or raise his voice in the streets.
3 A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out.
In faithfulness he will bring forth justice;
4 he will not falter or be discouraged
till he establishes justice on earth.
In his teaching the islands will put their hope.

In here it is clear that another servant of Allah was about to come (Muhammad swt).

>>16919962
What are the crusades? And I'm not only talking about the ones held in the Levant, but also the ones against your own European brethren, which you slaughtered for either being pagan or another denomination of Christianity. War war war, that is all there has been in Europe between Christians themselves, Islam was relatively peaceful considering the constant attempts from China, Mongols, Sassanids, Romans, ... to destroy it.

[Anonymous No.16920001]

>>16919980
The Crusades are not happening today. Your endless jihad is.
>2 He will not shout or cry out,
or raise his voice in the streets.
>3 A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out.
How, by any stretch of delusion, would your beloved warlord ever fit this description?

[Anonymous No.16920031]

>>16920001
Which crusade? The one from the 90s where Bosnian and Kosovars were genocided? Ahh or the constant threats of Greeks to take "back" Istanbul.

Yes, the variety in humans is wide but all the same. Just because violence exists in one group does not mean it's exclusive to that group, you disingenuous liar.

[Anonymous No.16920037]

>>16920031
And this disproves your cult's known propensity to go to war against adjacent landholders? That is to say, the unfaithful ones who do not pay Dhimmi.

[Anonymous No.16920049]

>>16920037
I'm sorry, how did Christianity get to America? Pigeons?

[Anonymous No.16920060]

>>16920001
>The Crusades are not happening today
They are just in another form. It's political/economical/sociological attack that is constantly undermining the Islamic world and it's values

[Anonymous No.16920066]

>>16920049
Sailing ships full of men of faith.
Once again, you shift the light away from your kind's propensity for bloodshed- and unlike the Christian explorers, it is a bloodshed perpetrated always in the name of your misinterpretation of the Lord God.

[Anonymous No.16920077]

>>16920060
The symptoms of unchecked capitalism are not the Crusades, you delusional Jihadi. Your people are simply not as stalwart in their faith as you wish them to be.

[Anonymous No.16920155]

>>16920077
>Your people are simply not as stalwart in their faith as you wish them to be.
200 years of colonialism and imperialism says otherwise. The setback is just the processing of that trauma, but we will come out stronger for it

[Anonymous No.16920169]

>>16918053
>doesn’t know the Bible stole stories from multiple different cultures

[Anonymous No.16920171]

>>16920155
Colonialism and imperialism that did not assail your faith, for fear of creating uncontrollable colonies.
Capitalism, its only drives being the seven deadly sins, has no such qualms about opposing the very pillars of what you believe.
Even Christendom buckled, and still buckles, under its weight, so enabling it is of the layman's favorite sins.
When your kind feel its full brunt, you will not prevail.

[Anonymous No.16920182]

>>16918047
Why does your Quran say your God sent forth the Beast of the Earth for signs to the people, and why does your Hadith say that your God will give the baetylus image at Mecca a mouth with which to bear witness for those who kissed it and against the infidels who didn't, when the Bible says it's the devil who will raise forth a Beast of the Earth (second beast, later called the False Prophet) to work signs for his false religion, and then enchant the image of the Beast of the Sea (first beast) so that it talks and condemns those who refuse to venerate it or the first beast?

[Anonymous No.16920184]

>>16918109
>The scribes of the manuscripts literally deleted and added what they wanted.
You have to be a retard to believe this

[Anonymous No.16920195]

>>16918075
Well what it actually implies is that these stories go back way farther than most think and they are fundamentally connected to humanity in ways no other tradition is. If you studied these stories you might understand why

[Anonymous No.16920197]

>>16920184
He is a Muslim.

[Anonymous No.16920222]

>>16918769
>using Nobel prize winners as evidence for something
Lmao yeah super reputable award bro. Bob Dylan is a better writer than Kafka, Proust, Joyce, Borges, Nabokov, Tolstoy, Pound etc. And Obama is a peace-maker!

[Anonymous No.16920236]

>>16919553
Back to r/atheism

[Anonymous No.16920251]

>>16920184
Read Ehrman

[Anonymous No.16920435]

>>16920184
What is the council of Nicaea? Can you tell me friend?

[Anonymous No.16920511]

>>16918047
Seeing that the people ITT haven't found a single fault, I am rather embarassed in their place.

[Anonymous No.16920585]

>>16920511
>>16920435
They should start to worry a little bit now, no internal errors or contradictions, no inaccurate facts, etc
I hope they see on time.

[Anonymous No.16920592]

>>16918047
It's an incoherent mess that reads like the schizophrenic ramblings of a mad arab whose brain has been boiled by the desert heat. Which it is.
>But it's perfect, has no contradictions!
The fact that it even needs the concept of abrogation just goes to show how imperfect it is.

[Anonymous No.16920642]

>>16920592
Funnily enough the Qur'an predicted people like you (and so did the rest of the people posting here): mocking, attacking the context, looking at it from a highbrow western pov, etc..

[Anonymous No.16920676]

>>16920642
>The Quran predicted that people would call Muhammad out on his giant pile of contradictory bullshit
Oh man, what great prophetic power. Here, i prophesize that youre going to reply to this post, as i too am a messenger of God.
Im not mocking the context, by the way, im talking about glaring contradictions that are then explained away by how supposedly the context has changed (nevermind that this shouldn't be an issue with an omniscient God). It's you who whine about context.

[Anonymous No.16920683]

>>16920592
>It's an incoherent mess
The Quran makes perfect sense once you believe in Allah.

[Anonymous No.16920710]

>>16920683
>It makes perfect sense once you're lobotomized
not a cult btw

[Anonymous No.16920745]

>>16920676
Which contradictions? It has been explained multiple times already that the contradictions are due to scribes twisting words and meanings, something you would have noticed if you took the time to read the responses here.

[Anonymous No.16920747]

>>16920710
>lobotomized
How quaint. Your puny mind can't comprehend the grandeur of Allah, that you have to resort to such words.

"And if all the trees on the earth were pens and the sea (were ink wherewith to write), with seven seas behind it to add to its (supply), yet the Words of Allah would not be exhausted. Verily, Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise."

[Anonymous No.16920759]

>>16920747
The Quran isnt the word of God. It's an endless rambling, partially plagiarized, partially made up by some schizo.
As i said before, it only really makes sense if youre indoctrinated from birth, because it doesnt appeal all that much to outsiders. Which is why historically, Islam never managed to rely on proselyzation as much as, for example, Christianity or Buddhism, which dont rely on the infallibility of a clearly fallible text.

[Anonymous No.16920773]

>>16920759
>Islam never managed to rely on proselyzation as much as
Islam didn't need to rely on proselyzation. Allah is there for those that seek to find him, whether intentionally or not.

[Anonymous No.16920775]

>>16918047
>"Though Luther saw the Muslim faith as a tool of the devil, he was indifferent to its practice: "Let the Turk believe and live as he will, just as one lets the papacy and other false Christians live."[195] He opposed banning the publication of the Qur'an, wanting it exposed to scrutiny.[196]"

[Anonymous No.16920778]

>>16920745
So scribes have altered the supposedly unalterable word of God? Is the Quran that easy to corrupt?

[Anonymous No.16920805]

>>16920773
True, it just came with force and then extorted people into giving them financial incentive to convert through the Jizya, as it seems that greed is the main attraction towards Islam.

[Anonymous No.16920823]

>>16920805
>>16920759
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST
why are christcucks so annoyingly whiny? they're like women

[Anonymous No.16920827]

>>16920778
The Qur'an has been preserved. The first Qur'an and most recent Arabic Qur'an are identical to the letter.

[Anonymous No.16920843]

>>16920823
Im not a christcuck, i just get tired whenever a mudslime thinks the Quran has any value whatsoever, besides as toilet paper. It's not spiritually profound, it's not original, it's not beautiful. It's below mediocre.
As a message, Islam isnt worthwhile either, which is why it could only grow by bribing people.

[Anonymous No.16920857]

>>16920827
The first Quran was burned by Uthman because too much had been lost or changed, and he then pretended that was the original one all along. There are sahih ahadith describing the loss of parts of certain Surahs.

[Anonymous No.16920875]

>>16920843
>It's not spiritually profound, it's not original, it's not beautiful. It's below mediocre.
It's really amazing how people that don't see just don't see

"Thus does Allah seal up the hearts of those who understand not" - 30:59

[Anonymous No.16920880]

>>16920843
There is 90% probability you're a christcuck and 10% some meme shit like hinpooism, stop playing coy

>>16920857
Uthman burned the right qurans and you can't prove otherwise

[Anonymous No.16920895]

>>16920875
>For lord Anon has sealed the hearts of muslims with manure, their eyes are covered and hearts are hardened, for they do not know the truth of Anon. - Poopoopeepee 3:9
It's really easy to make a Quranic verse once you get the hang of the mindnumbing repetition and meter.

[Anonymous No.16920898]

>>16920895
>It's really easy to make a Quranic verse once you get the hang of the mindnumbing repetition and meter.
I dare you to make one

[Anonymous No.16920907]

>>16920898
I just did. In fact, it's even better than your average Surah, because it didnt repeat a sentence five times.

[Anonymous No.16920908]

>>16920857
He didn't pretend anything, he burned the versions that were false. Allah wouldn't have allowed otherwise.

>>16920875
Exactly. More and more people are finding Islam, and thankfully the lions of the ummah are loud enough to shoo the "critics" (soys) away.

[Anonymous No.16920924]

>>16920907
>I just did
Make one that matches the beauty of Quran. Or is your impure heart unable to speak unironically?

[Anonymous No.16920984]

>>16920251
>read some former protestant now atheist kike’s takes on your religion
nah

>>16920435
>he doesn’t know tradition comes before (and shapes) the bible
wew lad

[Anonymous No.16920994]

>>16920924
The Quran has no beauty.
This is like me taking a shit, then declaring it God's shit, and daring anyone to make a shit as good as mine. When people offer me their own turds, i can just say "nuh uh, mine is better!". The same goes with the Quran, which has no objective measurement for beauty, so it can just say that any (superior) verse isnt as good.
This kind of circular reasoning is typical for cults, by the way. Same with harsh punishment for apostasy.

[Anonymous No.16921002]

>>16920908
>He didn't pretend anything, he burned the versions that were false. Allah wouldn't have allowed otherwise.
kek

[Anonymous No.16921007]

>>16920924
Is someone getting the best, the best, the best, the best of you
Is someone getting the best, the best, the best, the best of you

Here. And before you say "looool that's not more beautiful" - beauty is subjective and so is your worldview.

[Anonymous No.16921010]

>>16920984
>tradition shapes the bible
you just disproved christianity good job retard kek

[Anonymous No.16921019]

>>16921007
>beauty is subjective
is a subjective notion

[Anonymous No.16921029]

>>16920994
So you're saying you can't do it?

[Anonymous No.16921043]

>>16921010
lmao you stupid mothefucker, no wonder you’re a mohameddan

[Anonymous No.16921048]

>>16921029
Im saying i just did it. If you think my verse is inferior to a Quran surah, then you are incorrect. here, i can make another:
>Oh followers of Anon, do not listen to them (filthy Muslims) who believe not in the word of >>16920895 , for Anon has blinded them. If only they knew, but indeed, Anon knows best!
Anon already predicted that you could not recreate His verse. I dare you to create a verse better than His.

[Anonymous No.16921052]

>>16918047
>So why scrutinize a book that has no calls to aggression in it,

islam built with the sword.

[Anonymous No.16921067]

>>16920195
A few thousand years in the Near East is not the story of humanity, and I see no reason to elevate these traditions stemming from bronze age pantheons over others. Of course they are interesting, but if you ignore some and concentrate on a few solely because you are trying to justify an abrahamic religion then you are hard to take seriously.

[Anonymous No.16921071]

>>16921019
Explain why?

[Anonymous No.16921078]

>>16921048
>filthy Muslims
You're still unable so string one ''verse'' without resorting to insults and name calling. Your heart is still too impure in order to do it.

[Anonymous No.16921090]

>>16921078
No, the backhanded seethe insult towards out-group people actually made it more quran-like

[Anonymous No.16921103]

>>16921078
That kind of vitriol is very Quran like, especially compared to the later Surahs. It would fit perfectly in Surah 9, and the average Muslim would be none the wiser.

[Anonymous No.16921106]

>>16921071
If everything is subjective then so is your notion that everything is subjective subjective and is therefore null and void

[Anonymous No.16921110]

>>16921090
I see, your superior wisdom has convinced me

[Anonymous No.16921120]

>>16918848
Great argument.

[Anonymous No.16921121]

>>16918082
what point do the hadiths serve then?

[Anonymous No.16921124]

>>16921103
>and the average Muslim would be none the wiser.
I don't disagree. Most Muslims haven't even read the Quran fully, let alone dedicated their time to understanding it. Which is where a Hafiz of Quran comes in.

[Anonymous No.16921128]

>>16921106
I never said everything is subjective, you have filled that in yourself, rather strange that one would feel the need to tell me I'm wrong and then misconstrue what I said.

Can you please try again? With honesty this time? I would like to know why you disagree.

[Anonymous No.16921169]

>>16921128
You create something x and say it's more beautiful than y. Then you say you can't say y is more beautiful than x and beauty is subjective as well as my worldview. But if beauty is subjective as well as my worldview then according to my subjective worldview I can say y is more beautiful than x and I therefore do say that.

[Anonymous No.16921193]

>>16921169
Okay, but I find >>16921007
more beautiful than any Qur'anic verse, and I am sure many Foo Fighters fans, despite Dave Grohl's other works, would agree with that.

Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people are fans of FF, surely Dave Grohl knows best, for he is the best of knowers.

[Anonymous No.16921205]

>>16921121
>>16921002
The collection known as quran, is fine.
Strong as muscle.

Further, please stay in the topic and stop spewing out hatred against Islam.

[Anonymous No.16921207]

>>16921193
>Hundreds of thousands
argumentum ad numeram is not an argument

[Anonymous No.16921217]

>>16921207
People always do that when talking about how the Quran is inspiring or whatever.
It's Argumentum ad Populum btw

[Anonymous No.16921224]

>>16921207
If you are willing, could you please also address the main point in my post? Thank you.

[Anonymous No.16921254]

washing cum stained robes

[Anonymous No.16921304]

Should I read the Quran? I was born Muslim but lived a life of fucking bitches and being Westernized. Don't even know Arabic.

Is there a book for Muslim theology?

[Anonymous No.16921318]

>>16921304
nah fuck it mate, just keep having fun

[Anonymous No.16921338]

>>16921318
Nah this thread unironically convinced me to learn more about my religion. You can tell the Christians (not the atheists, no qualms with them) in this thread were emotionally charged and butthurt the whole time, even dumping /pol/ infographics instead of addressing the arguments.

I'm not trying to become a religious or acquire faith, I just want to understand my faith better.

[Anonymous No.16921389]

>>16921338
>>16921304
>>16921338
>>16921304
I am one of the "Christcucks" from this thread, and yes please do read the book. Don't fall into the trap of getting your information from youtubers though, they nearly always get it wrong.

Also read the OT and NT if you really want the Qur'an to mean something, In past discourses with Muslims I always heard the word "context" but only a small fraction of them actually knew the texts from before Islamic times.
That being said don't let people guilt you into Islam because of a possible guilty conscience and desire to get into heaven which is what a lot of my Muslim former friends have in common (degenerates by Western standards that completely turn around their lives - and not really for better if you catch my hint).

Know that there's always going to be some sort of "truth" in those texts (despite being largely incoherent and contradictory at times), but Daddy Peterson gave us most of that already.

[Anonymous No.16921394]

>>16921338
how can it be "your" faith if you know nothing about it. you call yourself a muslim without knowing the first thing about being one? i'm a buddhist becuase i like the colour orange....

[Anonymous No.16921449]

>>16921338
I hear U-Haul is having a deal on rentals. Might wanna check it out

[Anonymous No.16921520]

>>16921389
Thanks I appreciate it.

>>16921394
I do know the basics. I'm don't have knowledge on Muslim theology past basic concepts.

>>16921449
kek

[Anonymous No.16922637]

>>16918394
>hylic behaviour
based gnostic

[Anonymous No.16923016]

>>16918047
It
Is
SOULLESS.