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my 12yo brother loves battle royale games and it's basically the only thing that he is passionate about
I was trying to get him to read fantasy books, harry potter and other stuff I was reading at his age but he just doesn't really like it and he can't concetrate enough to get into reading
I want to buy him a book he would enjoy, he recently got into Stranger Things and Im thinking that that kind of a story might grip him. Dark Summer by Simmons was my idea as it has a similar story but it's almost 700 pages long and I think he would be put off by that...
Do you have any idea for a book that he might actually like based on his interests? He's also a boy scout
Thanks

>> No.16909588

The Hobbit

>> No.16909591

>>16909582
Capitalist Realism

>> No.16909606

The Historical-critical Introduction to the Philosophy of Mythology

>> No.16909609
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>>16909582
>brother loves battle royale games
>I want to buy him a book he would enjoy

>> No.16909667
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16909667

Right in the title.

>> No.16909710

>>16909582

The Deltora series is something I've read to young kids. They're short trashy generic fantasy, but they're not intimidating and good for absolute newbies. Honestly, though, the issue is the lack ability to appreciate delayed gratification, which extends far beyond books. You're better off teaching him to play games which have a long-run payoff or are more difficult and then using that as a springboard to say "see? now you can read books and it's even better". Good luck.

>> No.16909757

Unironically make him read a book that’s above his grade level. Make him take notes and write out the definitions for words he doesn’t know. It’ll be a grueling process, but it’ll make reading books appropriate for his age level much more manageable.

>> No.16909786

>>16909609
Bro I think your brother is doomed. Leave him behind.

>> No.16909805
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>> No.16909813

>>16909582
Let him transition

>> No.16909826

>>16909609
>>16909667
Why not just give him Lord of the Flies?

>> No.16909830

Start him with lighter, more popular mystery authors like Ted Dekker or Stephen King. Sure, they aren't high minded art, but most people start somewhere more trashy and work their way up if they like the things they read. I started with well-thumbed JA Jance books from my mom's shelf and ended up at philosophical treatises and both broad and narrow scope political histories.

>> No.16909843

>>16909710
Thank you anon, I tried to do this and I made him play Last of Us 1 and he actually really enjoyed it and he learned to follow a story and care for the characters and actually get invested in a big story and follow through with it, instead of just midnlessly playing shooter games.
I ws thinking of buying another more story oriented game that has shooter/fps gameplay but the story and characters and themes are there.
I'm just also trying to tak him away from the vidya world and benefit from the written form but you're right that maybe thats the better first step.

>>16909757
Just trying to force a "reading hour" every lther day where we sit at near a fireplace and just focus on reading without phones and distractions was hard enough and he didn't really look forward to it. So i doubt I would convince him to really try reading books in a school literature class style

>>16909830
Some more kid friendly Stephen King books might be a very good idea as he kinda "got into tv horror" with puberty so that might be a great idea. Especially if the story had kid group of his age

>>16909588
>>16909609
Also good ideas thanks anons

>> No.16909858

>>16909582
At his age i was already reading finnegans wake, let him do whatever he want cause he's clearly not in the 0.00001% like myself

>> No.16909890

I also realized we watchdd Gravitt Falls together and he REALLY enjoyed that. I even made him a deciphering devuce for the special sign alphabet used in the show so he could stop the show and try to decode some of the messages there. So maybe something like that?

>>16909858
Lol I mean I don't think it ks entirely his fualt that his only real hobby is gaming, when I wa shis age i played a shitton of ps1 games but they can only grasp your attention for so long and I had other hobbies. But the games he plays are MADE to get young kids like him hooked and his brain just got rewired by it and I won't stop trying to make it right and get him into other shit I know he will enjoy if he gives it enough tries.

>> No.16909903

>>16909757
>Make him take notes and write out the definitions for words he doesn’t know
great way to make him hate literature

>> No.16909908

>>16909805
This was fucking dogshit

>> No.16909910

>>16909890
>>16909858
also I don't really try to make him stop doing what he likes, I'm just tryin to introduce new and different things so he isn't stuck on this one stuff na dhave no other interests

>> No.16909922

>>16909890
The A series of unfortunate events books remind me a bit of gravity falls and are known to get younger people into reading.

>> No.16909938

>>16909582
He's not missing out, really. Books are best when they relate to life experience, of which, he has none. Let him enjoy being a kid. If he has any intelligence, he'll naturally outgrow video games.

>> No.16909956

>>16909890
This made me think of the 39 clues. Those were really fun as a kid because they came with cards that had puzzles and “clues” on them. The hunger games and lord of the flies were good suggestions from this thread. If he likes the hunger games type stuff, just go to the next popular ya genre books after that, like the maze runner and divergent. Clearly I am not up to date with the current stuff, but that’s what I remember being popular when I was around that age I think. Graphic novels would probably be good too, but preferably while maintaining your reading hours as a no picture-book time. Also, your duo reading hour thing is really sweet. Wish I could do that with my siblings, but I and reading are uncool. Good luck!

>> No.16909978

>>16909582
give him some Palahniuk, unironically

>> No.16909989

>>16909922
thanks!

>>16909938
Yeah, I think he would eventually outgrow them on his own but I have amazing memories reading more kod friendly books when I was a kid as much ss okaying video games. I just don't want him to miss out on reading books made for kids as he would never get the same enjoyment out of then when he grows up. I recently finishe all the Moomin books and even though I love and wacthed the 90s cartoon, that I wish I read the books as a kid and was wondering how much would I like them and what would they make me think about

>>16909956
Thanks anon, I'm trying my best.
I spent one semestr in high school just analyzing Lord of the Flies and wondered how much I would like the book as a kid so I might try and buy him that one. Trying the popular young adult stuff is a good idea too.

>> No.16910003

>>16909989
I only read sporadically as a kid. My verbal reasoning outgrew my emotional capacity and world referential knowledge, so I either read books I could understand and got bored, or read books I couldn't understand and got bored. I'm much better at reading as an adult, because I have better balanced skills. Let him enjoy what he enjoys.

>> No.16910255

>>16909582
You are an amazing brother.

>> No.16911541

>>16909826
this

>> No.16911653

>>16909582
The Redwall books were what I used to get my younger sister back into reading, try getting him to read the first one and if he likes it, there are literally a shit-ton of other books in the series. I wouldn't recommend something like The Hobbit until after they've come to appreciate reading a bit more. Good luck anon

>> No.16911770

>>16910255
>>16911653
thank you anons

>> No.16911789

KJV or young adult shit like Percy Jackson

>> No.16911849

>>16910255
Bump

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>>16909582
Percy Jackson was my shit at 12 years old, in fact it’s still my shit because I reread it over quarantine. Personally I liked it way better then Harry Potter, it’ll introduce him to Greek mythology, and the mc himself is 12 years old too. I think he’d relate to it better then Harry Potter. It’s a very fun adventure series, and while it does follow a lot of the ya tropes I think it’s a lot better written then most. Anyway my opinion but I highly recommend.

Another ya series I’d recommend is Alex rider. Maybe try Tolkien too.

Does he really have no interests besides battle royale games?

>> No.16911884

Hey anon, I have 4 zoomer brothers. They all say Percy Jackson is a great series, and got all of them into mythology. Greek, Roman, Norse, Aryan, etc. Something to think about
Also seconding the Hunger Games and LoTR.

I read lotr when I was 12, and it was great.

>> No.16911920

>>16909938
Anon modern video games are basically designed to be as addictive and release as dopamine in your brain as possible, especially to children with little life experience. Saying he should pull himself up by his bootstraps is like saying that to a child surrounded by a pack of wolves.

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>>16909582
You must initiate him.

>> No.16911998

>>16911920
No, I'm saying let the kid enjoy whatever he enjoys. Childhood is fleeting. I'm the youngest sibling. It was always obnoxious when my older siblings tried to 'get me into things', because they'd be controlling and get mad if I didn't comply.

>> No.16912017

>>16911998
Because you get a single youth and you’re fucking wasting it, as well as fucking up your brain to become a dopamine addicted consumer slave.

>> No.16912134

>>16912017
Then drive them away from literature with autism.

>> No.16912163

>>16912134
They weren’t going to read in the first place if that happens. None of my friends that were addicted to video games as kids read, they still just play video games. Albeit we’re still young but we’re out of college, and I only got the highest iq among them to pick up Yukio Mishima.

>> No.16912190

>>16912163
I played video games as a kid. I'm reading more and more. If you try to force it, the kid's gonna tell you to fuck off for being obnoxious and keep playing video games anyway.

>> No.16912212

>>16912190
that's why I (op) am trying to find shit he might actually enjoy. I'm not trying to froce him and hate him for liking vidya, he's actually very good at it and I play with him too sometimes but I just try to find something he will get excited for himself but I doubt he would ever go out of his way to find something like that if I don't try to find it for him
also this >>16911920

>> No.16912245

>>16912212
It's not just about the contents, it's about his drive to do it. That isn't something you can force. You need it to be his idea.

>> No.16912258

>>16912190
You literally said your older siblings tried to force shit on you, yet you’re reading nonetheless now so I fail to see how it negatively impacts anything, if anything you’re doing now because your older siblings planted the seeds in your brain. There’s literally no bad that could happen from older siblings trying to introduce positive things into their younger siblings lives. Doing nothing makes them stay the dopamine addicted fuckhead slaves without even a fight.

My little bro used to be a fat fuck. In highschool I berated him and brutally bullied him for this. Then I rebuilt his spirit by introducing him to lifting. Now he’s ripped and has a hot gf. If I didn’t do that he’d still be a fat sack of shit.

>> No.16912279

>>16912258
They didn't do anything with reading. It was mostly with computer shit, which I ended up steering away from.

>> No.16912352

>>16912245
sure, I agree. Still as a kid I got presents I didn't really know about and because I gave it a try it actually led me to enjoy stuff I otherwise wouldn't

>> No.16913362

bump

>> No.16913750

>>16909582
Give him a Harry Potter book. No joke, my 11yo brother is loving it

>> No.16913753

>>16913362
Percy Jackson/hunger games are probably your best bet. If he picks up either introduce him to Tolkien or something else.

>> No.16913760

>>16913750
He literally says in the op he didn’t like HP.

>> No.16913872

>>16909582
When I was twelve I got into Discworld books big time. They sometimes reference salacious female body parts, particularly in the early books, and that got my inchoate little pecker going. Lure him in with the lurid covers, then once he's jacked off to Sgt Angua a few times he'll be hooked. Also, there are many of them so he won't run out.

BTW it is great that you are doing this for him. Also consider installing an aimbot on his PC so he gets banned.

>> No.16913934

>>16909843
If he liked the last of us make him read cormac mccarthy's the road because that's what tlou was based on.

Also other anons have said this already but lord of the flies and battle royale are great novels that seem to fit with what he's into

>> No.16914543

I gave my 13-year-old brother whose interests basically only include Fortnite and video games and golf, a copy of the stranger. His thoughts on it were pretty interesting.

>> No.16914837

>>16909667
this one for sure. don't listen to people saying for him to read a book above his grade level, or the hobbit or the stranger whatever. yes he would be able to read it but you'll have to work for it. if you're trying to get him to read a single book make it one that's fun and engaging. battle royale is that, doesn't have the boring parts that hunger games does.

>> No.16914873

>>16909582
HunterXHunter. Might interest him. Or if you're choosing a novel without drawings, pick one where there's already a film adaptation. He'll enjoy it more if he watches the movie and then reads it. Would be easy for him to visualise too. That's how I got into reading with LOTR.

>> No.16914952

>>16909843
>last of us
yeah no. make him play nes and snes games which take skill like mega man or castlevania

>> No.16915230

>>16909582
My son is due in 2 weeks. Let me know how your brother was raised so I can do literally everything different.

>> No.16915441

>>16911920
This is something that some non-gamers on /lit/ don't understand. I remember when Farmvill was popular and reading about morale concerns about makeing a game around a Skinner's box form game designers. This was around the timegame design was becoming a formalized study. "Distribute rewards" has been a popular (and sometimes the only) line of thinking among designers. Very few games I like are made that way.

>> No.16915460

>>16909826
>>16911541
because Lord of the Flies was boring? at least from what I remembered about it.

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>>16909757
>Make him
Has never been a good way to make someone enjoy an activity in my opinion.
>>16909667
I'm skeptical of the idea that because someone enjoys the mechanics of a battle royale game, they will enjoy the plot of a battle royale book.
>>16909582
I would try any easy genre fiction/fantasy. The way most 12 year olds have fun is very different from the way adults can have fun, especially given their shorter attention spans. Give him easy and short books to give him a taste for it, and eventually if he keeps up with it, he'll get interested in more complex material.

>> No.16915676

>>16909978
This, have him read Rant.

>> No.16916373

>>16909582
Siege

>> No.16916618

>>16915663
where'd you get that pic of me, anon?

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>>16916618
Based

>> No.16916835

>>16909582
Ender’s Game is based. I’d go with it

>> No.16916843

>>16909843
>a "reading hour" every lther day where we sit at near a fireplace and just focus on reading without phones and distractions
This sounds pretty nice actually. Hopefully he comes around to it (assuming you still do it).
Maybe try teaching him the importance of slowing down and doing enjoyable things that aren't constantly stimulating? Doubt most kids would get it though.

>> No.16917623

>>16915230
1. He's not your son, cuck
2. Unless you are filthy rich and can send your kid to top private schools, you already failed as a parent lol

>> No.16917741

>get a 12 yo a book to read
fuck I'd like to know it too, I'm on the same boat: I want to buy something for my siblings (no vidya since they already hooked up to that shit) but every book it's either super hard stuff that they won't read or some auntie tier meme YA books.
What are some good classic books for kids? Something like the black arrow, white fang or stuff like that.

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Vidya mush brains can't understand much beyond it so The Hungry Caterpillar is a good start. Your brother has fucked his brain and needs to know there's a way out and that he can metamorphosise into something less pathetic, greedy and self indulgent.
Probably too late for books, your brother is a do-er. Hitty smash smash.
Teach him carpentry, there's still hope, but if he was going to read he would be doing it by now.

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>>16909582
The trick is to turn the book into some sort of symbol. Discover his deepest desires and associate those feelings with reading. Have reading be a symbol of masculinity, or a symbol of attractiveness (the latter will tap into his libido, something a male his age has no control over). Get those around him into reading, such as your parents and his friends. You know your brother far better than I do anon.

>> No.16919091

>>16909582
If he's a boy scout, he might like those Hatchet books by Gary Paulsen. I never read them, but they were always popular at my school around that age.
Whatever you do, make sure you read the book with him. Allow this to be an opportunity for the two of you to grow closer together. That will also allow him to buy in more to reading.

>> No.16919112

>>16915230
My parents are good parents but they are now getting old after having 3 other kids before my brother. He was plying a lot outside, board games, legos and my parents still go out with him for hikes, signed him up for boyscouts, play boardgames and watch fun movies with him. Used to read him every night too when he was a kid and they only allowed him to play games without gun violence and only for a linited time every few days.
It's just when puberty hit him he lost interests in almost all of those things and as his peers and classmates only care about gaming together and they dont go out at all (now with covid its even worse) he really got hooked on playing those type of games cause he wanted to play with his friends.
Dunno when I was a kid I played on ps1/2 a lot too and even now I play a lot of vidya but I also love hikingn and reading and am not addicted to playing the games. But as a kid I loved writing stories and reading fantasy literature and just making up little stories and using my imaginatiln when playing but who knows if I had access to games that are out nowadays if I ever got there

>> No.16919513

>>16919091
>Zoomer
>Boy scout
Lol

>> No.16919522

>>16919513
??? they're still pretty common in the midwest. All of my cousins (ages 8 to 14) are boy scouts

>> No.16919550

>>16909582
Introduce him to Manga, then to the Seinen genre by Berserk or Vagabond or anything really, and finally true literature.
This is how you get a braindead zoomers to warm up to the idea of literature, essentially by acclimating them to the gradient of intellectual integrity.

>> No.16919591

>>16919513
He is a boyscout tho

>> No.16919632

>>16916843
I talked to him about mindfulness when we go out for a walk in the woods, I encourage him to go out alone (or with our dog) and just go out with no phone or anything and just enjoy the walk. He usually rushes home fast because he is bored tho but yeah slowing down ks definitely important, thanks anon

>>16917741
people recommended good stuff itt and jakc london, jules verne or the lord of the flies are pretty good ideas i think

>>16918899
yeah that's a good advice, like for me in my early teens I kinda flexed on girls for reading "hard" books and being seen reading at school. I kind acringe at the memory of that but reading kind amade me feel better about myself not only for my ow thoughts but even for being seen as a good think by women lol

>>16919091
thanks anon

>>16919550
this is a pretty good idea, sadly his english isn't that good yet for him to really enjoy them just yet

>> No.16919670

>>16919632
Just let him transition you transphobic freak.

>> No.16919677

>>315711035
If you have a 15-3-20 score or something and you're on the enemy team. You get my report. Especially if you said anything during the match. Thats an easy communication abuse report.