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> Homer, Dante, Shakespeare, Goethe
are they the 4 horsemen of western civilization?

>> No.16879017
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>>16879007
And this is God

>> No.16879031

>>16879017
> thread about civilization founders
> posts comedy writers

>> No.16879035

>>16879007
people tend to overestimate the influence of Goethe around here

>> No.16879039

>>16879031
>Shakespeare
>not a comedy writer

>> No.16879040

>>16879035
achtually
homer > dante > goethe > shakespeare

>> No.16879044

>>16879031
>4 horsemen
>civilization founders
Whew lad
And less Goethe, more Cervantes, Heinzi

>> No.16879045

>>16879040
Cervantes>Homer>Dante>>>>>>Goethe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sHACKspeare

>> No.16879047

>>16879035
How so?

>> No.16879057

>>16879045
Change your diapers, Latin roach
Your kind is not welcome here

>> No.16879060

>>16879039
shakespeare is not in the olympus for his comedies you silly pablo
also cervantes is just satire, while in shakespeare's comedies the comedic elelement is not the foremost one.

>> No.16879066

>>16879060
You didn't even understand Cervantes, I bet you haven't even read Numancia or the Examplary Novels.
Shakespeare was merely a playwright with some good sonnets and plays, he is not even close to being as great as Cervantes.

>> No.16879068

>>16879060
Shakespeare is the Hollywood Hack of the Elizabethan Age

>> No.16879097

>>16879047
Goethe is obviously very good and important but it's not like his impact is absolutely more everlasting or revolutionary than other writers. In Antiquity you would have guys like Virgil, Ovid, Cicero that have arguably far more influence than him. The humanists in the Renaissance are also bigger than him in this sense, but they're less sensational to read so the romantic-midwits around there don't read them. Also if you really want the four horsemen of wester civ it would obviously be more along the lines of Aristotle, Rousseau, Kant and Jesus.

>> No.16879101

post the /lit/ meme version
can't find it in archive

>> No.16879134

>>16879007
4 horsemen in Revelations are destructive forces, so no.

(But Goethe is perhaps a horseman)

>> No.16879141

>>16879134
Shakespeare is an anglo, anglos are destructive forces

>> No.16879265

>>16879097
>it's not like his impact is absolutely more everlasting or revolutionary than other writers
I'd argue it has been due to just how important he is in the development of both literature and philosophy in the past 200 years. Of course guys like Virgil, Ovid, Cicero, and the Renaissance humanists probably have more of a general influence than he does but that's simply because they've been around for a lot longer. The man's been dead for less than two centuries. Maybe wait a millennia and see who holds up before making comparisons like that.

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>>16879141

>> No.16879294

>>16879045
Fuck off maestro

>> No.16879320

>>16879007
replace goeth with cervantes

>> No.16879338

>>16879066
>I bet you haven't even read Numancia or the Examplary Novels
Neither have I read Harry Potter

>> No.16879354

It's a shame that they'll inevitably be some lurking regards that genuinely think Cervantes vs. Shakespeare is a relevant feud.
I hate this board sometimes.

>> No.16879365

>>16879338
unbelievably based

>> No.16879373
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>>16879354
Correct, it's a commonly held truth that Montaigne trumps both of them

>> No.16879391

>>16879066
>>16879068

Kill yourselves immediately.

>> No.16879398

>>16879265
Sure I agree that time is essential to the question but we can't really dismiss it, because who knows? maybe that in a thousand years Goethe will be mostly forgotten and everyone will remember Camus as the most fondamental thinker in the making of the culture of the 31st century (obviously rather unlikely). But Goethe came at a time when Western culture had already solid basis. He built on these basis in a very important way but he did not create these basis. OP's painting is obviously a reference to the "national poets", who are tributaries of the first of them, Homer and in regard to the German language, Goethe is essential.
To come back to the last 200 years I think we can dismiss him in the development of philosophy and science because there are so much more influential thinkers in both these domains (Hegel, Marx, Freund, etc.). For literature I'm not sure, he's obviously a central figure, but I don't feel like much of the literature of the 20th and 21st century is tributary to him...

>> No.16879402

>>16879007
me on the right

>> No.16879405
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>>16879338
Don't compare your anglo YA bullshit with some of the greatest literature ever written.
>>16879391
Kill yourself inmediatly

>> No.16879418

>>16879405
>No spanish gf who will colonize me
Why do I bother living

>> No.16879434

>>16879418
Don't be envious - Spain is a perpetually half built country populated by retards.

>> No.16879479
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16879479

Homer is the only one that matters.

Also if you dont recognize everyone in this painting...