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[Anonymous No.16876617]

When you eat shrooms and read way too much postmodern theory. Is this that non-philosophy I keep hearing about

[Anonymous No.16876634]

>>16876617
LSD-influenced schizo-postmodern philosophy and literary analysis posting is one of the few reasons to browse this board. Check out this post that left an instant imprint in my memory:

>Milton is indicative of the schizo-rhizomatic tendency which modernity ultimately culminates in. Dante operated within far more spheres of immunization, to borrow from Sloterdijk, and found reality something more easily ordered. The medieval mind had a place not only in the cosmos, but in the supranatural world as well. It knew its position and status, in this life and the next. But already in Milton we see the collapse of those spheres and the admittance of more mercurial forces, an ontologically primary indecisiveness which lends neither direction nor distinction. Milton's Hell declares the inevitable: obviation of all formal structures. Dante's inferno reflects a divine, formal order--Milton's already tends towards a subjective flux.
>Milton confined such upheaval to gehenna, but the mere encounter with such a reality even in the abstract was enough for its contagion to take hold, and obviously it would not be contained by the decaying edifice that antiquated religious narratives had attempted to quarantine it in. Dante's hell was something that had to be descended into, but Milton's is something that one is cast into. The "thrown-ness" of Heidegger finds its precursory articulation, and Milton foretells the terrain which mortal man must inevitably navigate. Hell is found hiding beneath the atoms, and with that the whole idea of solidity collapses. There are no "little bits" at the bottom of matter that we are all standing on. And as above, so below. As with the physical, so with the psychological as well. Instead of tangibility and security, instead of Dante's comedy, we discover Milton's inferno. Desolate. Deterritorialized. A miasma of irrational torment and disorder haunted by demons of every nation that only he who was previously the highest and most illumined Angel of Light can be master of.
>If one is to exist in modernity, one must be a Satan. Milton knew this.

>>/lit/thread/S14817298#p14817426

[Anonymous No.16876646]

>>16876617
You guys are all fake and I'm actually God imagining this whole scenario because I'm bored and have notbing else to do.

[Anonymous No.16876654]

>>16876617
When did philosophy become romanticized into psychopathy? Diogenes wasn't spooked or treated as one

[Anonymous No.16876694]

>>16876617
I also take shrooms here are Random collection of ideas.

The world that we interpret through the senses is not the whole of reality. Our senses limit the experience, the mind is the experiencer and creator of the world it also experiences. Despite being in a 3d world 3d objects are not perceived as they actually are. Instead as 2½d. Light creates shadow, shadow creates depth, humans have depth perception allowing us to see 2½d and not 2d. This can be easily seen by looking at an object like a dice. A cube. However acknowledging the object as 3d it is clear that it isn't being seen as such. Time is experienced as the rotation of the earth and its rotation around the sun (as well as other factors) time as linear can only be experienced in the physical. There are subjective differences in time. Two people having the same experience. One seeing it as going by fast, the other seeing it as going by slow. Both having the same objective experience of time (earth rotating). Colours are projected from the mind onto reality. Colours do not exist outside of the individual (noumena). Visible light spectrum coming from the sun exists between dark and light intersecting and not on either side (see "goethe theory on colour" to understand)...This proves in order for a spectrum of colour to exist there must be both dark and light (space + sun = colour to perceiver) the sky is not blue it is seen as blue by the perceiver. This is why the blue sky goes away during night, it was never really there. Light is not a physical thing. Light is photons. They are not matter but behave like matter. Not everything is a physicalism is wrong. The fact that colours cannot be described by language should be a clear indicator that language has flaws when describing the human experience. Emotions as another example, there are many variations of sadness (sorrow, melancholy, gloom) these terms are rarely used. Instead are grouped together as being sadness, rather the context of what causes it is how we come to understand which kind of sadness is experienced. In the same way love and hate have different variations and cannot be put into words that properly describe them. Language has flaws. I believe the idea of Psychedelic worlds correspond with whiteheads process of metaphysics. Actual entities have potential to access the realm of eternal objects. Eternal objects exist as potential for the future. Objects that exist as idea/in the realm of idea or thought. The idea of a chair. Cannot be destroyed and its potential as an idea always existed. The object itself as you imagine does not exist till you bring it into the physical through the realm of eternal objects that give potential for the future. It is infinite. The psychedelic world exists here. Only conscious beings have access to the eternal objects.

[Anonymous No.16876701]

>>16876694
colour exists within the visible light spectrum. Psychedelics influence the colours you see. It changes the way you interpret light it isn't a hallucination. Closed eye hallucination within psychedelic experience is possible because mind can create light. When you imagine an object in your mind what is that object consisting of? Light. When you fall asleep in a dark room with no light. But dream of a world that has Light, where did the light come from? Your mind.this shouldnt be surprising,the mind can create an electromagnetic feild as well as other things. The mind is also capable of creating hyperbolic geometry aka the types of shapes and patterns you see when on DMT. Why does the mind have the capability to hallucinante hyperbolic geometry?

[Anonymous No.16876710]

>>16876694
>>16876701
im a brainlet keep that in mind.Also open to criticism.

[Anonymous No.16876712]

drain gang

[Anonymous No.16876725]

>>16876617
So I had my first bad trip. Essentially some 8 hour weird shit was playing on youtube cause my buddies liked it, but it was hypnotic, and soon I became filled with terrible dread, the music was droning and the tv was starting to spiral outward in fractals. I knew I was being brainwashed, but calmly I stood up and turned the box off. The feeling stuck with me, and before long I realized what I already knew, but it set in with an extremely heavy force. We all really are being brainwashed by our own accord. Its essentially inescapable short of fleeing society, and I have a child in this world, constantly under the influence of the same.

I processed this sort of panicking for a while, and eventually I calmed down a bit, i had alot more in depth and mind-blowing revelations about the hopelessness of it, but then something changed. I felt myself being drawn to this terrible otherness. This extremely dark and foreign place in my brain, I full on forced myself out of that mindset and waited till I came down. Now everytime I trip, I can feel it coming back. I havent taken as high of a dose sense then but I feel it looming and it creeps me out. It feels like if I let it consume me that I won't ever come back and that scares me.

Any psychadelic bros got any insight? My family has anxiety, I never really have, some think my uncle was schizo-affective though, and he killed himself on a gallon of shroom tea mixed with a half gallon of whiskey(bad alcoholic too). What do anons? Should I give up the shroomies. Trip was ab 5g golden teachers.

[Anonymous No.16876746]

lsd showed me that the hills hoist is a model of life death rebirth the universe.

[Anonymous No.16876747]

>>16876694
So, I've thought many simlar things. Then surprised myself to see Plato discussing the same lol. Your thoughts will only grow more complex with further readings. I tripped so hard last time that I could only contextualize colors and feelings like an atmosphere of emotions.

[Anonymous No.16876773]

>>16876747
Goethe philosophy helped me understand color better. You can apply his ideas to psychedelic experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnfVlENcHbU

[Anonymous No.16876782]

>>16876773
Definitely will check it bro. Thank ya

[Anonymous No.16876808]

>>16876634
Epic.

[Anonymous No.16876817]

The onto-telos of monke's return engenders the limitations of Ego's dominion of modern life. Swift Nd urgent the primordial soup beckons. Take of its nectar to abolish capital's industrial cage and usher the messianic epoch of the Simian being-in-time. Behold a new golden age. Once again we return to Eden

[Anonymous No.16876835]

>>16876725
To shorten this. When I take psychs these days I feel a very dark and foreboding energy in my consciousness trying to slip forward. I feel like if I dive in, I won't come back. Should I confront it? Or stop tripping. No mental illness that I'm aware of, though a great-unclr may have been slightly schizo.

Have you anons ever experienced such or heard of such?

[Anonymous No.16876852]

>>16876835
take time and analyse it. No one else can tell you about your own experience. If you are looking for similar stories search about bad psychedelic trips on youtube for comparison and how they overcame it.

[Anonymous No.16876889]

>>16876852
I've been hunting around on erowid and stuff, nothing seems super close to how I'm experiencing it. I think I have an irrational fear of losing my mind that's driving this feeling.

[Anonymous No.16876911]

>>16876617
Most of such babble actually express ideas much simpler and familiar than the jargon mess they're presented in.

[Anonymous No.16877062]

>>16876694
most of this is just Kant (but I guess you know because you use noumena). Objects only present themselves to us in the way we can perceive them. All sensory data is being arranged by yourself inside your own subjective form of space. Time is perceived by nothing but the subject's continuity (as it exists directly in time itself), not from outside changes, otherwise you wouldn't have any reference frame at all while observing your heart-rate and time would seemingly stop by observing a non-moving object.

[Anonymous No.16877104]

>>16876725
The best advice I heard about bad trips is to face them head on. You have to just go in there and accept whatever is going to happen. You might get slapped around a bit by the acid but that's the way it is. In the end, you're going to be ok. But you can't resolve this properly by avoiding the confrontation forever.

[Anonymous No.16877126]

>>16877104
Yup. That's what I figured. Guess its time for a heroic dose

[Anonymous No.16877138]

>>16876617
Think I can use LSD to start a cult?

[Anonymous No.16877324]

>>16876617
On LSD I started thinking about Pepes and I started feeling pain and hearing grumbling as if the creature feeding on our thoughts was pissed off that I was feeding it Pepes. So I continued shitposting Pepes into this "God", crazy Escher Pepes and such. It only wants what comes out of us, "genuine emotions" if you will. Not stuff we will into existence.

[Anonymous No.16877346]

>>16877324

[Anonymous No.16877353]

>>16876617
its funny how stoners become infatuated with the idea of meditation and the image of it without ever actually doing it

[Anonymous No.16877435]

>>16877324
>>16877346
dumb frogposter

[Anonymous No.16877443]

>>16877435
Eat Pepe and die, mind virus.

[Anonymous No.16877448]

>>16877443
dumb frogposter

[Anonymous No.16877485]

>>16876617
I wish psych users didn't feel the overwhelming desire to be pseuds

[Anonymous No.16878481]

Lol this is an altwoke meme

[Anonymous No.16878723]

>>16876617
I keep all my insights secret, except for a weekly dinner at my dad's house where I bore them with endless demonstrations. My dad on occasion has an interesting take on them.

[Anonymous No.16878950]

>>16876817
actually pretty good

[Anonymous No.16879228]

>>16876634
>>16876694
>>16876701
>take mind-warping drugs
>only result was coming up with some useless mentally damaged theories that serve no purpose to the things that really matter in life: making money, having sex, getting a job
yeah im thinking psychedelics are for useless retards. you know we'll be sending you all the mars to build the domes for us honest folk one day, right?

[op No.16879310]

guys!!! it has to be drugs!!! theres no way majority of people are actually stupid/uneducated/ignorant!!!!!
...and not only that, that they also are smug with the fact!!!1

which drug you dare ask???
ahhh! glad you did!

surely it has to be psylocybin! what else if not the safest indestigable substance known to man?
ah yes! my theory is finally coming together!

[(you) No.16879329]

>>16876617
guys!!! it has to be drugs!!! theres no way majority of people are actually stupid/uneducated/ignorant!!!!!
...and not only that, that they also are smug with the fact!!!1

which drug you dare ask???
ahhh! glad you did!

surely it has to be psylocybin! what else if not the safest indestigable substance known to man?
ah yes! with the picture i randomly found on an anonymous mongolian basket weaving forum my theory is finally coming together!

[Anonymous No.16879547]

>>16876725
Let it consume you. Let yourself go. That dread is just your ego holding on. If you can let go of your fear, and with it your ego, you’re in for something special.

Also that ‘brainwashing’ is a good thing. “Man’s desire is the desire of the Other”

[Anonymous No.16879630]

>>16879228
>the things that really matter in life: making money, having sex, getting a job
NPC detected

[Anonymous No.16880081]

>>16879228
>only result was coming up with some useless mentally damaged theories that serve no purpose
most of what I said came from actual philosophers I was simplifying it and relating it to the psychedelic experience. Sneed.