Mishima Death Anniversary

[Anonymous No.16868688]

50 years ago today
Why did he do it?

[Anonymous No.16868693]

Also post all things Mishima, favorite pics, vids, books etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1AbTRtT7qE

[Anonymous No.16868695]

>>16868688
Why not? Why live forever?

[Anonymous No.16868702]

>>16868688
I read about his death the other day, it read like a dark comedy sketch. Especially the part when his friend failed to cut his head off three times. Hilarious.

[Anonymous No.16868703]

>>16868695
More enjoyment

[Anonymous No.16868704]

>>16868693
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80cCp4oM4io

[Anonymous No.16868709]

I think it did it out of cowardice more than anything. Dude was terrified of getting old and killed himself just so he had control of how he went. His fascination with dying young just gave him an excuse to do it

[Anonymous No.16868712]

>>16868702
In those agonizing moments of being hacked he probably cursed himself for not being friends with a real man.

[Anonymous No.16868717]

>>16868688
>>16868688
Good night, sweet prince.

> Why did he do it?
Consider his death poems:

The sheaths of swords rattle
As after years of endurance
Brave men set out
To tread upon the first frost of the year.

………………….

A small night storm blows
Saying ‘falling is the essence of a flower’
Preceding those who hesitate

[Anonymous No.16868721]

>>16868709
What does that have to do with cowardice? If he were a coward he would've taken pills or something like a woman's suicide. No, Mishima was at his bravest in that moment.

[Anonymous No.16868729]

thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpCvQAQt_8s

[Anonymous No.16868734]

He just wanted to slit his belly in front of other young men. It was all for that one last nut.

Fuckin' Japs!

[Anonymous No.16868740]

>>16868693
I love his "yakuza movie star" era. He also showed extraordinary filmmaking talent in the one film he directed.

[Anonymous No.16868747]

>>16868721
He was terribly afraid of getting old and dying in bed of something like cancer. I get that what he did was "brave" for the moment but enduring life would have been even braver for him since its what he most feared

[Anonymous No.16868758]

>>16868688
I did find something to admire in his tightly controlled, elegant, if thoroughly conventionalist novels. I'm thinking of the Sea of Fertility tetralogy, which captures and breathes perfect life into a place and time. I never did care for his whole political charade however, it speaks more to me of mental illness than anything . I would have preferred he lived to a ripe old age and kept writing, but he would never accept that. As Lao Tzu said, “The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long.”

According to buddhist scriptures, the five signs of the decay of an angel are:

1. The flowery crown withers,
2. Sweat pours from the armpits,
3. The robe is soiled,
4. They lose self-awareness, or become dissatisfied with their station, and
5.The body becomes fetid or ceases to give off light, or the eyelids tremble.

[Anonymous No.16868763]

>>16868721
based.

anyone who shills the "he was afraid of getting old" meme hasn't read his work deeply. there's an obsession with death from his early novels. a fixation on the apostheosis of fragile beauty in the moment of its extermination. it's very japanese, very wabi-sabi. to that end, his ritual suicide was the final act in his lifetime of theater, the final stroke of poetry.

[Anonymous No.16868770]

>>16868688
Man cannot live by beauty alone: the esthetic and the romantic idea, when divorced from the whole context of existence, contains the seeds of extinction. They are death bearers, and the Mishima formula, as John Nathan makes clear, was one "in which Beauty, Ecstasy and Death were equivalent and together stood for his personal holy grail." The equation is suicidal.

[Anonymous No.16868773]

>>16868770
>"Beauty, Ecstasy and Death were equivalent and together stood for his personal holy grail." The equation is suicidal.
Yes.

[Anonymous No.16868788]

>>16868688
saw his society becoming gay and neoliberal chose to warn them in a very Japanese way of ritualized suicide pretty kino way to go

[Anonymous No.16868792]

[Anonymous No.16868797]

>>16868788
He was a neoliberal

[Anonymous No.16868799]

>>16868797
he was a monarchist

[Anonymous No.16868800]

>>16868799
Neo liberals are just new age monarchists

[Anonymous No.16868815]

>>16868788
he was gay and he hated communism and neoliberalism

desu i think part of his political posturing was another act of theater, a way of being a provocateur and contrarian to the neoliberal leanings of his time. it's not like he thought his coup would actually overthrow the government and reinstall the emperor as head of state. it was more a gesture of sacrifice in a theatrical mode, a way to point towards the way the country's soul was losing itself.

>pic related is the shrine he took his pen name after (his birth name was Hiraoka Kimitake).

[Anonymous No.16868821]

>>16868792
what a stud desu

[Anonymous No.16868826]

>>16868800
In what way? Sounds like nonsense.

[Anonymous No.16868833]

>>16868799
No he wasn't lol

[Anonymous No.16868856]

>>16868833
>He opposed Japan's postwar democracy, globalism, and communism, worrying that by embracing these ideas the Japanese people would lose their "national essence" (kokutai) and their distinctive cultural heritage (Shinto and Yamato-damashii) to become a "rootless" people.[11][12][13][14] Mishima formed the Tatenokai, an unarmed civilian militia, for the avowed purpose of restoring sacredness and dignity to the Japanese Emperor.[12][13][14]

[Anonymous No.16868867]

David Tibet (Current 93)
Douglas P. (Death in June)
Rose McDowall (Strawberry Switchblade)
visiting his grave

[Anonymous No.16868875]

>>16868856
That was just posturing. He loved globalism, his trip to the US was the happiest he ever was and he lived in a Western styled house.

[Anonymous No.16868884]

Mishima was such an embodiment of his beliefs that he married and had children, which he loved.

He ultimately wanted to possess his own death and he achieved that, allowing himself to be eternally sculpted as an incarnation of the warrior-poet.

In fact his existence and his passions were diametrically opposed to contemporary LGBT ideology, which represents all the vulgarity and ugliness that Mishima utterly detested.

[Anonymous No.16868886]

>>16868688

It was a LARP.

There is no longer any 'action' in post-modernity, or, rather, no 'pure' action, only transactional intimation. His entire literally career was this tension between 'action' and 'thought', 'words', etc, between the inner physical and the external mind. He wanted to be a man of action, of vitality (ironically he did act in a number of films in late career). The inner physical entirely divorced from the external mind - pure action. That's what he wanted. Mishima knew this was not possible under then (and now) circumstance. However, he acted sincerely, in purity to obtain it. He 'acted' or rather sincerely LARPed. For that he is a martyr.

Read his short story 'Acts of Worship' - he lays this all out.

[Anonymous No.16868890]

>>16868747
Missed the mark entirely there

[Anonymous No.16868894]

>>16868886
how is it LARPing to shape one's life around an idea and follow through in its execution

[Anonymous No.16868898]

>>16868894
He wasn't sincere. Literally no one believes his "coup" was genuine

[Anonymous No.16868899]

>>16868875
This is your brain after US education

[Anonymous No.16868907]

>>16868898
His group was around for years.... 90 members. I believe it was sincere.

[Anonymous No.16868910]

>>16868898
He was

[Anonymous No.16868916]

>>16868800
shut the fuck up ffs you stupid cunt

[Anonymous No.16868918]

>>16868884
>In fact his existence and his passions were diametrically opposed to contemporary LGBT ideology, which represents all the vulgarity and ugliness that Mishima utterly detested.
This, he would have been utterly disgusted by the vileness of contemporary qUeER culture.

Yet, he was most certainly gay, albeit in the ancient warrior-poet tradition of martial homosexuality. Having had a family doesn't change that fact.

[Anonymous No.16868921]

>>16868894

Because, in the end, all you can is LARP.

>>16868898

It was both real (attempted with ironic sincerity) and not real (acted/LARPed)

[Anonymous No.16868926]

>>16868688
Does anyone have any information as to when will we able to see 'Mishima: The Last Debate' documentary?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Q2nigaY_M&feature=emb_title

[Anonymous No.16868933]

>>16868926
It has already been shown at a film festival, but I imagine it will be a while yet, as it is with most small films.

The lighthouse was released something like two years after it was first shown at a film festival

[Anonymous No.16868940]

>>16868921
this. only a pseud deals in absolutes.
i believe mishima was conscious and intentional in regards to the ambiguity in which his situated himself.

>>16868886
'ordalie par les roses' with photos by eikoh hosoe is so beautiful.

[Anonymous No.16868941]

>>16868898
his "coup" was to be a spark to start a revolution, not a coup in the traditional sense.
when he recieved the response he was most fearful of, he chose the only path which would not sully the ideals he tried to convey.

[Anonymous No.16868949]

>>16868940
>only a pseud deals in absolutes.
ironic

[Anonymous No.16868950]

>>16868940
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.16868955]

>>16868940
>only a pseud deals in absolutes

[Anonymous No.16868982]

>>16868949
>>16868955
right i was being
> pic related
just like mishima's death
> get it?

[Anonymous No.16868986]

>>16868982
heh

[Anonymous No.16869014]

[Anonymous No.16869019]

>>16868982
>right i was being
>> pic related
no comfy coffee for you

[Anonymous No.16869033]

https://lithub.com/yukio-mishima-on-the-beautiful-death-of-james-dean/

[Anonymous No.16869039]

>>16868688
Overrated shit.

[Anonymous No.16869064]

he wanted to be reincarnated as a cute thai princess

[Anonymous No.16869070]

>>16868884
>which represents all the vulgarity and ugliness that Mishima utterly detested
Oh please, he went to gay bars for sex. He was just a talented, but very autistic and vain, gay guy.

[Anonymous No.16869094]

Was he a faggot or is that a myth?

[Anonymous No.16869128]

https://youtu.be/b_Xx_in6488

Based video

[Anonymous No.16869149]

>at first i was like

[Anonymous No.16869151]

>>16868688
drew this in my notebook several months ago, sone underlying notion of art and life imitating each other. still one of my favorite spreads even if tge left's a bit wonky.
i hope he's lifting in heaven gyms with Billy right now.

[Anonymous No.16869156]

but then

[Anonymous No.16869160]

>skips leg day

[Anonymous No.16869180]

>>16869151
to add on life and art coimitation: the seppuku scene in "Patriotism" is possibly one of my favorite passages from Mishima. i wonder if his mind flashed back to writing that scene as his accomplice was slashing his back.

[Anonymous No.16869186]

>>16869180
cont

[Anonymous No.16869236]

>>16868898
his coup was one of his plays, arguably the best in the history of impovisational theatre.

[Anonymous No.16869250]

>>16868688
/ourguy/ made a video on Mishima's Confessions of a Mask (starts at 1:25)
https://youtu.be/b_Xx_in6488?t=85

[Anonymous No.16869255]

>>16869250
postingbefore i click on the link
if it's Pewdiepie or Quentin Bookcluberino i'll do as Yu-chan did and spill my intestines on the floorboards

[Anonymous No.16869288]

>>16869094
He enjoyed some gay sauna cute boys apparently, but wasn't really proud of it.

[Anonymous No.16869323]

>>16869288
> you wil never go to sauna with Yukio-san, compliment his English, and then let him sniff your white boy armpits before having the most based and tradpilled type of sex aka mutual masturbation
this thought is just killing me

[Anonymous No.16869367]

Which of Mishima's works AREN'T about schizophrenic self-hatred over his homosexual tendencies? Patriotism was okay as an aesthetic introduction to his values, but The Sailor Who etc and Golden Pavillion look like clownworld nonsense. Confessions of a Mask sounds like much the same.
Should I just read Sun & Steel?

[Anonymous No.16869522]

>>16868712
His guts had already spilled over the floor by then though right? I hope his last moment of consciousness wasn't of his friend clumsily hacking at his neck

[今晚打老虎 No.16869685]

>>16868729
i like this one much better

>https://youtu.be/iLLB0elriL0

[Anonymous No.16869749]

Do you think he ever bottomed?
Imagine him pinning you down to ride your BWC while mocking your inferior musculature and struggling

[Anonymous No.16869797]

>>16868702
Funny thing is, the hagakure, which was a book Mishima was obbsessed with, actually talks about having your head cut off and proper procedure. In earlier japanese, I didn't say ancient because the hagakure was written in like the 17th century, beheading of someone was seen as super important and messing it up was extremely bad because of honour or some shit. So, technically Mishima died a dishonourable death.

[Anonymous No.16869933]

Repressed homosexual desires. Transitioning could have saved him.

[Anonymous No.16870031]

>>16869933
Did it save you?

[Anonymous No.16870151]

>>16869151
russian retard

[Anonymous No.16870153]

>>16868688
Remember, you are not meant for this world, does a fish fear being thrown back into the ocean?

[Anonymous No.16870170]

>>16870151
why yes
russian love for gachimuchi interweaves perfectly with mishima fanatism

[今晚打老虎 No.16870184]

which biography of Mishima is the best? John Nathan's?
Nathan translated The Sailor Who Fell from Grace

[Anonymous No.16870218]

I finished the Sea of Fertility last night, I found that Toru not only paralleled Ko-chan in personality (both are cunning, ruthlessly self-aware, and kind of aimlessly wander through life) but Decay of the Angel feels like a similar book to Confessions of a Mask too page after page of introspection, a reality-shattering revelation, and the book ends on the very next page. I can't help but see this connection to his first book as deliberate; Mishima finished the book on the day of his seppuku.

In hindsight, I don't know if the Sea of Fertility is an endorsement of Buddhism or not. Satoko is the only character he's written who opposes his law that a glorious death is better than a long life. Assuming Mishima wrote Decay of the Angel with his "die at the peak of beauty" doctrine intact, then Buddhist enlightenment enhanced Satoko's beauty every day of her life, well into her 80s (and Mishima even says this explicitly).

[Anonymous No.16870234]

>>16868712
>>16868702
When you read about his sub fetish/desire for a humiliating death, it makes his life story even more perfect. His last day was a stageplay he directed every element of, and with a perfect ending.

[Anonymous No.16870250]

>>16870234
>desire for a humiliating death
imagine being this much of a midwit

[Anonymous No.16870251]

>>16868688
The world he loved was dying, and he had no interest in living in the degenerate world to come. He first confirmed this with his antics, and then killed himself in the most suitable manner possible.

>>16869797
The more painful and fucked up your suicide, the better it is for you specifically--the guy who's completely fucked is his friend who fucked up the execution. He's at like, -10,000 honor by not only fucking up a Seppuku, but ALSO fucking up what was metaphorically the last Seppuku of all time.

[Anonymous No.16870262]

>>16870250
He also posed as the Saint Sebastian painting right before his death too, confirming his gheyness. That was totally unnecessary and reads like an attempt to sabotage his own reputation as a paragon of traditional values. I think Mishima, ideally, wished to be thwarted and not to die with perfect grace.

[Anonymous No.16870321]

Based gay fit manlet

[Anonymous No.16870330]

>>16869367
thirst for love is different, but still revolves around mishima's main subjects - love and violence. it's one of my favourites. also, his short stories are great and vary in the way they explore the subjects. sun and steel is basically a distilled form of "schizophrenic self-hatred over his homosexual tendencies", if that's what you got from his books. i'd stay away from his noh-plays if i were you.

[Anonymous No.16870390]

>>16868688
even though he's not my favorite japanese writer let me say rip to that guy.

[Anonymous No.16870403]

>>16868688
He literally held a speech explaining why he did it

[Anonymous No.16870433]

>>16869933
He dated trans women

[Anonymous No.16870437]

>>16870433
Sauce

[Anonymous No.16870440]

>>16870251
He loved modernity, he just larped he didnt

[Anonymous No.16870449]

>>16868740
Very much this, it also shows the natural use of film to artistic ends with nothing other than bare observational genius. No practice in directing prior other than in his head.

[Anonymous No.16870450]

>>16870437
Its in one of those youtube documentaries

[Anonymous No.16870456]

>>16869522
Cutting open your guts doesn’t kill you instantly, it’s actually one of, if not the, most slow and painful ways to die. That’s why it caught on as a method to redeem one’s honour; if it was a painless death then you’re just running from your problems. But the side-man who cuts off your head is to make the suffering quick. Long, drawn-out deaths aren’t very wabisabi after all.
In short, Mishima felt every failed cut delivered to his neck, and died knowing that a failure despoiled his final moments and shat on his honour through lack of discipline.

[Anonymous No.16870460]

>>16868792
>>16868821
That's a man though.

[Anonymous No.16870471]

>>16868815
>it's not like he thought his coup would actually overthrow the government and reinstall the emperor as head of state. it was more a gesture of sacrifice in a theatrical mode, a way to point towards the way the country's soul was losing itself.
I'm surprised people still think that was a possibility of his intention, still the real political and worldly intention of his suicide, not just an aesthetic act, cannot be denied. Just that intention wasn't actually overthrowing the Japanese government.

[Anonymous No.16870474]

mishimafags are the worst, he's a good ass writer but you can't ignore his retarded and contradictory mindset, that's the interesting part of him

[Romet No.16870479]

>>16868688
imagine not wanting to die like a warrior, i dont want to die to a fucking cancer of some bullshit

[Anonymous No.16870486]

>>16869151
That's great man.

[Anonymous No.16870506]

>>16868709
>disembowling yourself
>cowardly
I want reddit to leave

[Anonymous No.16870625]

>>16870474
Contradiction foments self-overcoming and is ubermenschian

What 欧米人 don't seem to realize is that public image vs private self is a huge part of Japanese social dynamic and LARPing is a noble process of representing/becoming an ideal

[Anonymous No.16870642]

>>16868688
He was fucken gay.

[Anonymous No.16870655]

[Anonymous No.16870673]

>>16870479
My sister in law died last year from pancreatic cancer out of nowhere. She was working two jobs and abandoned by her husband. She put her affairs in order and we are watching over her two teenaged kids as they finish high school and head to further education. That crap ate her hollow in one year and put her in a box.
Whenever some man-child talks about dying like a warrior i have to remind myself that you're full of shit and a bit of a drama queen. Courage and bravery are cool in stories but it's the shittiest parts of life that require them of you, the parts you wish you could avoid and beg to be taken away from you.

[Anonymous No.16870683]

>>16870655
Obsession with and insecurity about masculinity are a big part of all fascisms.
The manifestos of incel fuckheads match up pretty well with self-involved critters like this.

[Anonymous No.16870701]

>>16870673
She was a dumb wageslave

[Anonymous No.16870702]

>>16870683
I can tell you’re an effeminate commie

[Anonymous No.16870709]

>>16870701
But not a nameless coward like you.
>>16870702
i rest my case.

[Anonymous No.16870735]

Was being laughed at part of his plan?
Never really got a satisfactory answer

[Anonymous No.16870741]

>>16870683
>Obsession with masculinity
And there's nothing wrong about that

[Anonymous No.16870759]

>>16870701
post bank balance + timestamp nao

[Anonymous No.16870783]

>>16870759
I live in the woods, I am not subject to your inane bullshit

[Anonymous No.16870814]

>>16868758
>if thoroughly conventionalist novels.
I think they’re far more compelling that the experimental novels being produced in America at the time. Works by the likes of Pynchon and Gaddis were little more than entertaining diversions.

[Anonymous No.16870816]

>>16870673
>the shittiest parts of life that require them of you, the parts you wish you could avoid and beg to be taken away from you.
Yes. You're speaking of the suffering that is integral to the meaningful life.

[Anonymous No.16870821]

In hindsight his death poem is pretty ironic.

[Anonymous No.16870831]

>>16870683
Insecurity is the inevitable result of having even the slightest a'punt of self-consciousness.

[Anonymous No.16870934]

>>16870783
>innawoods meme isn't inane bullshit

[Anonymous No.16870960]

>>16869151
My Russian is very weak but doesn't it say that Mishima simulated his own death?
>Yukio Mishima krasivo simuliret seppuku na kameru
which translates into
>Yukio Mishima beautifully simulated seppuku for cameras

[Anonymous No.16870985]

>>16870960
OP is probably referring to the photo shoots Mishima took where he did exactly that

[Anonymous No.16871185]

>>16868747
So according to you bravery is going along with that which you least want to do? He took control, that's not cowardice.

[Anonymous No.16871326]

>>16868688
Mishima is a pure chad.

Has anybody read his work in Japanese? How does it compare to the translated versions?

[Anonymous No.16871340]

>>16870821
and why is that?

[Anonymous No.16871351]

>>16870460
Yeah, its Yukio Mishima

[Anonymous No.16871357]

>>16870709
You have no case.

[Anonymous No.16871440]

>>16869255
Do it

[Anonymous No.16871471]

I've read about why he did it and no matter how you interpret it it's still nonsense.

[Anonymous No.16871480]

>>16869250
BASED

[Anonymous No.16871485]

I mean I like Mishima the writer a lot and it's fascinating that he's the direct descendant of Tokugawa but any sort of nihilistic fatalism that leads toward suicide is idiotic to me.

Like, I laugh at Ligotti for not doing it and I laugh at Mishima for actually seeing it through.

[Anonymous No.16871494]

>>16868688
What do you think would happen if the soldiers agree with him? Would he still do his ritual suicide?

[Anonymous No.16871519]

>>16870184

Henry Scott Stokes

[Anonymous No.16871520]

>>16868688
Where to start with him, lads?

[Anonymous No.16871549]

>>16871185
Having a lack of control is what is brave

[Anonymous No.16871558]

>>16871485
t.

[Anonymous No.16871576]

>>16871485
There's nothing nihilistic about Mishima, quite the contrary.

[Anonymous No.16871620]

His entire worldview reverses the fatalistic nature of Imperial Japan and portrays it as something worth not only reviving, but seeing through despite the odds, despite the world. He is unable to grasp the world as anything else but a hopeless, poisoned place. It's about as optimistic as a vision of Lebensraum among contemporary German youth.

He lived in a dangerous fantasy land, was a severely repressed homosexual with violent tendencies and is only remembered fondly because he was also a great writer.

[Anonymous No.16871632]

>>16871576
>There's nothing nihilistic about Mishima

[Anonymous No.16871641]

>>16871620
>He lived in a dangerous fantasy land
Based. Weak Circassians like you should be put to the sword

[Anonymous No.16871664]

>>16871351
No, the (>)"woman" standing next to him in the first photo.

[Anonymous No.16871671]

>>16871471
>a critique of the Emperor and modern Japan is "nonsense"
Coward.

[Anonymous No.16871672]

>>16871632
Correct. He stood for something. Nihilism is about nothingness.

[Anonymous No.16871678]

>>16871641
>One learns from that book [Confessions of a Mask] how Mishima put "Circassians" (white boys) to the sword by the dozen in his dreams. To know him in person was to be forcibly made aware of this outré side of the man. I recall a dire night at Mishima's house in 1969, when Mishima showed to me and to Peter Taylor, a friend from Thames TV in London, his prize collection of samurai swords, including, no doubt, the weapon which was to be used to cut off his head (altogether, he had a small armory of blades, wrapped up in cloth, that he brought in to show us). I remember Mishima asking me to kneel on the carpet on the floor of his little sitting room upstairs to show Taylor, he said, how the kaishaku-nin, the ceremonial beheader, prepared himself to cut off the head of someone who commits seppuku, and I recall how the hairs stood out on the back of my neck all of a sudden and I scrambled to my feet with a suppressed shout of No! to find Mishima standing there, with three feet of steel in his hand, with a strange look on his face. He was gloating. Holy Mother of God, I thought, not a man to fool about with, this Mishima.

[Anonymous No.16871703]

>>16871671
Funny how he completely adhered to Emperor's will while it was oriented towards war. How come one type of industrial complex suited him while the other did not?

[Anonymous No.16871722]

>>16871703
t. doesn’t understand Mishima’s thought on the emperor and Japan
Read “Aesthetic Terrorist”

[Anonymous No.16871725]

>>16871678
Well he misjudged him. Mishima was all bark, no bite; he spent his war years in a factory. Why didn't he volunteer for a Kamikaze run?

The key issue here is with cessation of life - had Mishima died then, nobody would know him. He explored some interesting questions, but going through with them means going full retard. You don't see Tolkien digging a mine or sailing across the Atlantic to certain death in a dinghy of birchwood.

[Anonymous No.16871751]

>>16871520
The Kojiki

[Anonymous No.16871761]

>>16871725
>he spent his war years in a factory. Why didn't he volunteer for a Kamikaze run?
He failed his medical test. Man, Mishima makes you fags seethe

[Anonymous No.16871777]

>>16871340
He seems so certain that people will be inspired to follow him, while the entire coup attempt was treated as a complete joke afterwards. There's the purest irony of expectations being entirely subverted.

[Anonymous No.16871791]

>>16871576
Do you know what nihilism means? It's the lack of all value. If you are a tryhard nationalist then you're obviously not nihilist because you value your country.

[Anonymous No.16871795]

>>16869367
Don't bother reading mishima it will clearly go right over your head

[Anonymous No.16871796]

>>16871761
There are so many people who failed and still cheated to get into combat. Hemingway was 16 when he joined.

[Anonymous No.16871803]

>>16871791
I think mishima's perspective was a little different. He valued his country as it had been, not in what it had any chance of becoming.

[Anonymous No.16871826]

>>16871803
>He valued his country as it had been, not in what it had any chance of becoming
I might agree to that, but it's still nationalism, and not nihilism, as he obviously can fond vale in things.

[Anonymous No.16871832]

>>16871826
>fond vale
I need to sleep
*find value

[Anonymous No.16871834]

ITT: filtered plebs

[Anonymous No.16871866]

>>16871803
He valued his country as it never was.

[Anonymous No.16871867]

>>16871826
I think that still is a kind of nihilism, since everything is gonna go bad in the end. His country, his body, etc.

[Anonymous No.16871890]

I can see why some people here are very fond of Mishima, since he was as delusional as they are.

[Anonymous No.16871902]

>>16871867
>everything is nihilism because I say so
You have no clue what that means.

[Anonymous No.16871911]

>>16871890
Being a realist is boring, ngl.

[Anonymous No.16871918]

>>16868688
I think he did it because it was the closest to perfection attainable for him. If a man could not be immortal and beautiful forever, then the next best thing is to die beautifully.
As anon here mentions >>16868717
>A small night storm blows
Saying ‘falling is the essence of a flower’
Preceding those who hesitate
I think that makes my case to a degree.

[Anonymous No.16871920]

>>16870031
kek

[Anonymous No.16871970]

>>16871703
>hurr durr why does he prefer traditional society!
Even if you can critique his views, at least stop acting as if you don't just think anyone with a different view to you is "nonsense".

[Anonymous No.16871974]

>>16871867
Mishima's Nihilism existed in the death of the heroic death, which then made life lacking in meaning. But, in the end he would still find it. So I think he has a few periods of Nihilism but in the end he found hope with a blade in his belly.

[Anonymous No.16871989]

>>16871970
Well this isn't postmodernism 101, there are objective truths in this world. Mishima harbored a brutish, lowbrow worldview and espoused it via his personal cadre of thugs that did some sort of pseudo-military drills. If anything, his suicide performance helped shadow this from the larger audience since age would be less kind if he simply went on living.

[Anonymous No.16871999]

>>16871974
>he found hope with a blade in his belly.

flowery nonsense

good think he did not find it through the flutter of parabellum in his synapses, eh?

[Anonymous No.16872002]

>>16871867
>I think that still is a kind of nihilism
It isn't, nihilism doesn't mean that. He wasn't unmoved by the "degradation" of Japan.

[Anonymous No.16872032]

>>16871999
Did he not? He had a death that was not by cancer or sickness as he thought he would have. In the end, he found a way to have an honorable death. People will debate his intention of course, but nonetheless it made more waves than a depressed weeb committing seppuku in his Mother's house on a visit to the UK.

[Anonymous No.16872034]

>>16870960
yeah first caption is "yukio mishima beautifully simulates seppuku for camera", second "yukio mishima's head after a beautiful seppuku encore"

[Anonymous No.16872094]

>>16871974
Wasn't Mishima's philosophy considered "active nihilism"? For him he didn't believe in a necessary priorly meaningful base to existence, but he did believe in I guess you could say a psychological meaning.

[Anonymous No.16872096]

>>16872032
I'm just saying you did not really infuse his death with meaning of any kind. And I don't think Mishima's death made any waves considering that he did not win a single soldier to his side (I am aware that he was aware he would fail) and that Japan did not move one iota from the course set by MacArthur.

My bottom line is that the modern Japanese culture represents a more vibrant and rich tapestry than the society that Mishima would build, and it does so by leaving enough room for LARPers like him to act out their repressed urges. In fact, Mishima was a polite guy and did not harm anyone but himself, I'd say that violence was something that he yearned for but only to an extent. When it was time to cross that line, he did himself in (or commanded others to do it).

I just can't find any meaning in nihilism's ultimate consequences. Even if you don't call it such, there's a point where suicide is at best merciful - it cuts away the anguish, the suffering; and I believe Mishima suffered psychologically and that his final act wasn't a joyful one. There is no value in suicide except to stop the torment, whatever shape it takes. And I think what's dangerous about this side of Mishima is that he attracts so many lowbrow people who respect him because he held to his 'beliefs' and 'went through with it'. There is not much to be praised about someone who is simply sticking to his words, that is a lazy judgment of character that extremists are so fond of. All the value that Mishima gave to this world comes from him living and working in it; and I find his insights and reasoning to be artistically fascinating, but empirically it's just pure nonsense. The ideology itself is nothing but a relic, a performance. You don't play Shin Megami Tensei and decide to start a demon-summoning religion - you have to discern between cultural space and the real value, you have to grow up in the world. Mishima couldn't even be gay openly.

[Anonymous No.16872134]

>>16872096
>You don't play Shin Megami Tensei and decide to start a demon-summoning religion
Say it for yourself

[Anonymous No.16872154]

>>16872096
>I just can't find any meaning in nihilism's ultimate consequences
I don't think your take is entirely wrong, but again, he wasn't driven to suicide because he supposedly was a nihilist. Nihilism means you don't assign value to things. Mishima assigned negative value to modern Japan. If he was a nihilist, he wouldn't have cared: it would mean nothing to him. I don't think I can put this in more simple fashion. Stop using the word in this context, it doesn't mean what you think it does. The definition doesn't care about your opinion.

[Anonymous No.16872167]

>>16868688
"Human life is limited, but I would like to live forever."

READ ANDREW RANKIN'S MISHIMA: AESTHETIC TERRORIST

>Foreign commentators are prone to say Mishima "botched" his suicide, but that is not correct. Mishima stabbed himself in the stomach, cut a line of nearly six inches across his abdominal wall, and his students removed his head in a few strikes. By the standards of historical seppuku executions, this one was relatively swift and free of mishap.

>As for Morita's role, on the level of psychodrama it is best to think of him as an alternative Hiraoka. A Hiraoka free of artistic sensibility, with no interest in literature at all. A strong and healthy and happy Hiraoka. A Hiraoka who passed the military inspection and joined the imperial army. A heterosexual Hiraoka. This Hiraoka becomes Mishima's executioner. The resultant scenario thus has a classic narcissistic self-sufficiency. Like Dorian Gray, who dies after stabbing the portrait that had been for years absorbing the ugliness of his soul, Hiraoka ultimately confronts his alter ego, killing off the aberrant artificial self into which he has been defensively channelling his own vices and weaknesses; in doing so, he ends his own life.

I'm in awe of this man, how much self-possession he had, how he bent his life to his will. I hope he lives forever. Mishima heika banzai!

[Anonymous No.16872192]

>>16870433
Actual trans women or okama? I'm pretty sure it was the latter.

[Anonymous No.16872220]

>>16872096
Why shouldn't people who embodied their own values be admired? I'm especially talking about thinkers and artists. Just look at someone like Nietzsche. A lonely sickly weakling who was rejected by some whore everyone and their dog in Germany fucked and also so mentally weak that he had a breakdown because some foul beast died or whatever, and later died of a disgusting disease. Compare that pathetic person to Mishima, a man who chose his own death, in his own terms and died for values his stood for and embodied. A nice way to detect frauds is to ask them and yourself 'You talk the talk but do you walk the walk?'

[Anonymous No.16872235]

>>16870625
so it's a cope

[Anonymous No.16872237]

>>16871989
>calling him brutish and lowbrow
Yes anon, you're saying any traditional worldview is "nonsense". You're retarded and have a cartoonish understanding of truth, and what is good. You hide behind not explaining your opinion properly, some pretence of greater truth (an obviously stupid understanding of truth too), where all you're really saying "because he differs from my neoliberal humanism I refuse to see any value in his actions and am just going to throw disingenuous insults".

He is of a far higher brow than you, and if one does morally reject his philosophy, you're a moron to think it's "lowbrow", either because you're claiming to have read him when you haven't or you're incapable of understanding greater truth and reasoning yourself. To give you an example, Mishima always focused on dualism, and an overcoming therefrom. To call him "lowbrow" or "thuggish" is simply incorrect.

[Anonymous No.16872241]

>>16871485
I bet you think Nietzsche is a nihilist too.

[Anonymous No.16872251]

>>16872235
what's not a cope?

[Anonymous No.16872264]

>>16872154
You cannot divorce assigning value to something - even if it's a negative one - from caring. Nihilism is weak particularly because even if you don't care, or negative-care, you still have to assess something and that act is contrary to the ultimate result, which is just a pose.

>>16872237
Well, this video doesn't really make them seem like anything but brutish and lowbrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IasOkulcDQk

[Anonymous No.16872274]

>>16872192
I don't think actual tranny's existed then. From all the men dressed as women I know Mishima slept with, all of them were okama and thought they were men.

[Anonymous No.16872282]

>>16868688
>Why did he do it?
Love of the larp.

[Anonymous No.16872285]

What would be Mishima's stance on cultural appropriation?

[Anonymous No.16872296]

>>16872264
Is this the first time you see an army, faggot? jesus christ

[Anonymous No.16872298]

To be an ideological martyr. The general public prefers freedom to authority though.

[Anonymous No.16872305]

>>16872264
>You cannot divorce assigning value to something - even if it's a negative one - from caring
Never really said you could.
>just a pose
This is probably the most common criticism towards nihilism.

But again, I'm not arguing for or against any personal belief system. I'm just stating Mishima isn't a nihilist by definition. You can easily argue that no one is, and that nihilism is just posing, but that doesn't make Mishima a nihilist either.

[Anonymous No.16872313]

>>16872264
>Well, this video doesn't really make them seem like anything but brutish and lowbrow.
Lol, what makes you think he's lowbrow in that video? Because you haven't read any of his books and he talks in a heavy Japanese accent? Again, do not mistake having moral disagreements with Mishima makes him dumb, or as if even if you do you can deny that he still has great mora ideas too.

Or do you think because he's in military regalia he's "lowbrow"? Or because he wants nuclear weapons? Because he wants a place in global dominance for his people? Because he doesn't want his people to be subjected to foreign influences and dominance? Please explain.

[Anonymous No.16872361]

>>16868688
So was he right about modern Japan in the end?

[Anonymous No.16872391]

>>16872361
Yeah but no

[Anonymous No.16872392]

>>16872361
I'd say no because Japan's culture was very stunted even after Meiji Restoration. They still painted medieval type stuff well into 20th century and only had a handful of modernist writers. I consider their post-war pop culture to be the most interesting product of television-radio-internet era, bar none, the way they mix and match styles and seamlessly blend with anything they pick up from the west with their own unique twist. I'd say every person in this thread is here because of it.

[Anonymous No.16872398]

>“Marx and Freud are the demon progeny of Western rationalism … Marx in regard to the future, Freud in regard to the past.”
It's amazing how he expresses such essential truth through the speak of the poetic fantasy.

[Anonymous No.16872430]

>>16872361
People who idolize imperial Japan tend to be kind of dorks

[Anonymous No.16872431]

>>16872096
>There is no value in suicide
You faggot, you probably think that self-immolating monks are just ~depressed~

[Anonymous No.16872489]

>>16870673
Different kinds of bravery, or different expressions of it. As a rockstar celebrity and a generational artistic talent, the highest cause Mishima could devote himself to (with fatal dedication) was an ambitious political one. When he spoke, people were inspired, and they listened. The most important things your sister-in-law had the potential to change were the lives of her sons, and so she devoted herself to them with fatal dedication. Of all things, picking your sister-in-law who died in the course of exercising her duty as a mother was not the farthest example you could have selected.

[Anonymous No.16872496]

>>16872430
people who idolize post-imperial Japan are mega-dorks

[Anonymous No.16872555]

>>16872496
People who just enjoy the fruits are ascended

[Anonymous No.16872718]

>>16872555
No, they're no better than consoomers. The ascended ones are the builders, the creators.

[Anonymous No.16872743]

>>16872235
If by cope you mean a good thing that people should aspire to, then yes, it was a cope.

[Anonymous No.16872809]

>>16872392
Well said, and I can agree with most of this take. I too, love so much that came out of post-war Japan up until the bubble. They became leaders in almost every field of the arts and sciences. However, I can't help but feel they are entering another age of stagnation. The neoliberal economic policies that led to their massive post-war boom seems to be running out of steam, much as it has for the US and Western Europe. What Japan of the future will be remains an interesting question.

[Anonymous No.16872861]

>>16869180
Made my fiancé read this before we married.

[Anonymous No.16872933]

>>16872809
I can see severe stagnation in their video games and movies when it comes to past decade; I don't follow their contemporary literature much and it seems that manga is as creative as ever while anime has also fallen off the cliff.

[Anonymous No.16872939]

>>16868688
How gay is this? I want to put this on my wish list so a relative can buy it and give it to me but I don't want to be seen as a deviant.

[Anonymous No.16872998]

>>16871761
sounds like the ultimate cope for missing the field trip

[Anonymous No.16873025]

>>16871796
>japan is the same as burgerland

[Anonymous No.16873103]

I have a friend whose an anarchist, and it’s my turn for our book club readings

What are the more political books of his? I want to spark some discussion with him about it, challenge him in some way via Mishima, only problem is I’ve never read any!

[Anonymous No.16873197]

>>16873103
>challenge him in some way
Why do you need Mishima as a crutch anyway?

[Anonymous No.16873607]

I have known about Mishima and stalked threads about him for a long time now but never made the plunge to read one of his books. Any suggestions on which one to start with?

[Anonymous No.16873622]

>>16873607
Universally agreed upon entry point, and according to some best book (it isn't really): The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea. But all of his books focus on something very unique, like Plato's dialogues, so it's difficult not to rank a lot of them as equals.

[Anonymous No.16873671]

>>16873103
>>16873607
>samefagging

[Anonymous No.16873678]

>>16868763
>the apostheosis of fragile beauty in the moment of its extermination. it's very japanese, very wabi-sabi.
it's very natural though. Physical beauty is terrible, it makes for a bigger tragedy when a beautiful youth dies violently or in a car crash compared to someone plain, like they were robbed of it. It even makes parents prefer one of their children over the others.

[Anonymous No.16873687]

>>16868770
feels like that picture of pepe punching the demiurge with 999999/1000000 hp

[Anonymous No.16873714]

>>16868886
if it were completely pure he wouldn't have made a show of it.

[Anonymous No.16873775]

>>16870683
hey pussy, you need to go back.

[Anonymous No.16873781]

>>16872861
she didn't get it

[Anonymous No.16873800]

>>16872998
the fucking dude ended his life on his own terms in one of the most interesting way possible. i not way does it seem like he missed anything, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.16873836]

>>16868688
best regards from /fit/, mishima-bros

[Anonymous No.16873878]

>>16870673
cringe wagie take

[Anonymous No.16873913]

>>16868867
Looks like the 80s equivalent of the sadboys/Yung Lean clique

[Anonymous No.16874014]

>>16873671
>not knowing what samefagging means

[Anonymous No.16874095]

>>16869149
>>16869156
>>16869160
Traditionally, men performend women's roles in Japanese theater

[Anonymous No.16874176]

Mishima with Tatenokai paramilitaries - Tatenokai's uniforms were made by de Gaulle's tailor iirc.

[Anonymous No.16874431]

>>16868688
Westerners (libs specially) portray themselves as utter ignorants whenever they try to judge or discredit him, specially when bringing up his ideals or his suicide. He lived under rules of sacrifice and struggle, and he decided his death to be merely simbolic, as an act of protest against a world that was leaving him behind. I'm not japanese, but I can understand his disillusion with a society that was fastly losing its roots, which is something that's happening here in Europe as well. Obviously one can't expect westerners to understand this, specially in our modern, liberal and higly comfortable lifestyles. I still admire him for living up to his ideals and being true to himself.

[Anonymous No.16874534]

>>16874431
Mishima was a westerner or at least desperately wanted to be one

[Anonymous No.16874540]

>>16874176
Doesn't compliment the Japanese skin tone

[Anonymous No.16874550]

>>16873913
Mishima would have loved soundcloud rap. Lil Peep and X's death would have really tickled his fancy

[Anonymous No.16874580]

>>16874550
X's death was a nice reminder that the media a disgusting parasite on our culture.
> Today in the News: Spotify has blocked XXXTentacion from any spotify playlists because he has a complicated life and is a criminal who's music is about coming to terms with the mistakes he's made
> he dies
> literally the next day
> check out the new spotify playlist 'This is XXXTentacion'

[Anonymous No.16874597]

>>16870234
>to die among strangers
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=chfLJ3DhnSY

[Anonymous No.16874605]

>>16868747
You are like a cuck but to life itself

[Anonymous No.16874630]

>>16874580
Parasitical, yes, but why is it immoral to reap profits from a death that already occured? I don't know much about cRap, did Spotify blocking his playlists have an indirect hand in his death?

[Anonymous No.16874691]

>>16868688
I want to read Mishima. Give me his best work to grow me some big balls

[Anonymous No.16874696]

>>16874630
No and they weren't blocking his, they were making a point of keeping him off of their official spotify playlists.
Then he died and they had an official spotify playlist dedicated solely to him

[Anonymous No.16874889]

>>16874691

Confessions of a Mask or The Temple of the Golden Pavilion I'd say.

The former is a kind of bildungsroman a la Thomas Mann or Hesse, bittersweet youth, lots of gay shit.

The latter is based on a real event: in 1950 a young monk burned down Kinkaku-ji, a famous golden temple in Kyoto and a national monument. The novel is kind of about the tyrannizing power of beauty, how best to divest oneself of obsession through self-immolation and violence. Also lots of gay shit.

[Anonymous No.16874913]

>>16874691
>>16874889
Along with The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea.

These are the triad of intro-Mishima books.

[Anonymous No.16875151]

>>16870673
use you sister death for win a argument in a forum discussion. fuck you maggot.

[Anonymous No.16875256]

>>16871326
Honestly, I enjoyed the English translation more than the original. It's because words have certain connotations that knowing the literal meaning of doesn't confer.

[Anonymous No.16875464]

>>16874913

Why do you fags recommend the dark shit all the time? Sailor was annoying, and I wish that gang of twerps all drank the tea at the beginning and saved me the read. Fuck them. Most of you guys of weirdos so I can see why you like that shit so much.

Golden Pavilion is only worth reading for Kashiwagi trying to get Mizoguchi to not be a pussy.

Spring Snow was a proper tragedy, and highly enjoyable.

The Sound of Waves is comfy, a nice read.

[Anonymous No.16875479]

>>16875464
based and springsnowpilled
Isao from Runaway Horses was a badass too and I liked how he was such a chad that he was like the kendo GOAT and convinced a double-digit number of people to die for his cause

[Anonymous No.16875585]

>>16875479
Isao was such a giant fucking moron that he can not be called a chad in any way whatsoever. Literally one of the stupidest protagonists of all time. He exposed his own group and couldn't even figure out that he was the one that did it despite languishing in jail and having nothing but time on his hands.

[Anonymous No.16875673]

>>16872933
>it seems that manga is as creative as ever while anime has also fallen off the cliff

Manga continues to be good because there's a lot of young people and upstarts making it. Anime on the other hand is created by giant studios and has fallen into the typical big corporation spreadsheet trap. They try to appeal to people by hyper-analyzing the various audience metrics. That's a terrible idea when the actual way to draw a large audience invested in the work is to have interesting new stories and not a million variants of the same idea.

[Anonymous No.16875695]

>>16875673
gimme some new good manga

[Anonymous No.16875791]

>>16875695
Recently I've been satisfying my fantasy craving with Sousou no Frieren & isekai spin with Kumo Desu Ga, Nani ka?

The best action-superhero manga is One Punch Man

But this isn't really the right forum for manga recoms

[Anonymous No.16876268]

>>16870625
damn, that was a good read

[Anonymous No.16876319]

>>16872096
>There is not much to be praised about someone who is simply sticking to his words

You would be surprised how extremely uncommon this is in people...

[Anonymous No.16876594]

>>16870262
>confirming his gheyness
Yeah because his writings didn't do that well enough.

[Anonymous No.16877286]

>>16872861
extremely based

[Anonymous No.16877296]

>>16874889
> this pic
i think lit should cooperate to make a visual novel about dating different authors, but make it as /lit/ and utterly schizophrenic as possible

[Anonymous No.16878146]

>>16875791
>isekai and shonenshit
What a bad taste

[Anonymous No.16878810]

>>16875695
Useless Ponko
Fire punch

[Anonymous No.16878883]

>>16870456
fuck, i feel so bad now

[Anonymous No.16879470]

>>16875585
>he can not be called a chad in any way whatsoever
He was literally an athletic superstar, genetic freak who was so good at kendo with so little effort that he was getting bored of it
He was also charismatic as fuck, passionate, selfless and conscientious. Pretty much the only non-chad thing about him is that he overlooked Makiko ratting him out.

[Anonymous No.16879557]

>>16869685
>that cover
Is this the sequel to Evangelion?

[Anonymous No.16880351]

>>16870506
Physical courage and moral courage are two entirely different things. the same person can be a fierce warrior on a battlefield and conformist worm in corporate world.

[Anonymous No.16881252]

Is it bad to read sun and steel first?

[Anonymous No.16882745]

>>16880351
Yeah, and Mishima had both. The physical courage to kill himself and the moral courage to do what he felt had to be done to carry out his convictions. What could be more glorious than risking your life on something you truly believe?

[Anonymous No.16882806]

>>16868933
Why such a long gap between?
Do they still do some editing?

[Anonymous No.16883375]

>>16870625
What's this from?

[Anonymous No.16883854]

>>16883375
It might be Andrew Rankin's biography of Mishima Mishima, Aesthetic Terrorist: An Intellectual Portrait

[Anonymous No.16883918]

>>16869749

[Anonymous No.16883932]

>>16883918
>I'M SEPPUKUUUUUUUING

[Anonymous No.16883963]

Yukio is great but you weaboos need to take the Lu Xun-pill. He's more relevant to China than Yukio is to Japan.

[Anonymous No.16883999]

>>16883963
>Lu Xun
>leftist
>Mao was a fan
nah

[Anonymous No.16884020]

>>16883999
Mao would have to hang him if he didn't die young, ya larper. Literally the only guy that would shit talk Mao to his face.

[Anonymous No.16884022]

>>16874889
>le gay shit
gayest shit in the golden pavilion was the description of Tsurukawa's belly, stop being so fucking obsessed with the gay shit, fucking retards.

[Anonymous No.16884064]

what do you mean 'why'? he literally said why for years up to the act. he didn't want to grow old and wanted to die in some romanticised meaningful and beautiful death. he knew exactly what was going to happen and did it only so he could die in this manner.

[Anonymous No.16884067]

because he was gay

[Anonymous No.16884253]

>>16884067
And based

[Anonymous No.16885242]

>>16873913
>>16874550
lean has cited mishima as an influence

[Anonymous No.16885317]

>>16870673
>>16870683

[Anonymous No.16885323]

>>16868688
For aesthetic reasons.

[Anonymous No.16885375]

>>16883918
yeah that's some made up bullshit

[Anonymous No.16885696]

>>16868884
nigger this is the most-liked comment under Q's video on confessions of a mask. Have you no shame?

[Anonymous No.16886470]

>>16883918
Source?

>>16875673
About Manga, has anyone read "Mishima Boys"?

[Anonymous No.16886662]

>>16870683
Get a load of this faggot

[Anonymous No.16886721]

>>16868702
>I read about his death the other day, it read like a dark comedy sketch. Especially the part when his friend failed to cut his head off three times. Hilarious.
I have studied Japanese history and I know exactly how much of a big deal it is for a true friend to chop off the head neatly and when I read that part I was fucking laughing hysterically
Imagined that poor chap going
>aight aight aight CHOP ffffffffffffff shit CRACK fuckkkkkk ok wait CHOPPPP GODDFCKIBNDAMNIT CHOP CHOP CHOP I hope mom and dad aren't watching CHOP

[Anonymous No.16887277]

>>16871549
shut the fuck up, christcuck

[Anonymous No.16888231]

>>16870683
You probably think Ur-Fascism by Umberto Eco is good

[Anonymous No.16889792]

is the life in 4 chapters good bros?

[Anonymous No.16890310]

>>16868815
>>16870471
Yeah idk where people get the idea that he thought he was going to overthrow the government. If you read Runaway Horses it's immediately obvious what he meant by it. That whole tetralogy, and especially Runaway Horses, is like a long suicide note.

[Anonymous No.16890412]

>>16889792
it is, give it a watch