Is being a pre-1800s peasant farmer really that much better than 21st century minimum wage worker?

[Anonymous No.16858887]

[Anonymous No.16859125]

>>16858887
Pre 1700s? Yes.

[Anonymous No.16859266]

Depends where the farmer is, and what wage job.

[Anonymous No.16859361]

>>16858887
no, but being a neolithic hunter gatherer is

[Anonymous No.16859398]

>>16858887
>virgin wife
>owned land
>worked less hours with more vacation time than modern wagies
>got to poke niggas with a pike when war breaks out
>your neighbors actually look like you
>nigger-free society
>drink homebrew all day
>no fast food, wife actually cooks
>bitch acts up, just smack her - but she won't because she knows her place
I want to go back...

[Anonymous No.16859416]

>>16859398
>owned land
Try that line when the lord's men are at your door bucko

[Anonymous No.16859418]

>>16859398
>your neighbors actually look like you
that's scary.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16859451]

>>16859416
We kill lords this time.

[Anonymous No.16859470]

>>16859451
lords are still in power, by different names and you support them

[Anonymous No.16859479]

>>16858887
I'll keep my modern medicine, thanks

[Anonymous No.16859486]

Yes. Don't believe the 'lived to 30-40' meme, either. If you lived to adulthood you could expect to live to 70.

[Anonymous No.16859582]

>>16859398
Until the nobles drop by your house, where they fuck your wife and there is fuckall you can do about it

[Anonymous No.16859595]

>>16859582
That's literally a modern myth

[Anonymous No.16859615]

>>16858887

[Anonymous No.16859625]

>>16859479
I absolutely wouldn't. I can't wait until gene editing comes into the umbrella of "modern medicine", then the inhumane nature of it will be obvious even to idiots like this.

[Anonymous No.16859632]

>>16859479
My dad is 52 and hasn't been to the doctors in 30 years.

[Anonymous No.16859636]

Most of you morons that romantise farming or what it used to be like clearly have never done a hard days work in your lives. It fucking sucks.
"Free time?" Are you fucking serious? Fucking retards

[Anonymous No.16859639]

>>16859582
Prima Noctis is literally bullshit from modern day NTRfags.
Think about it. Why would a lord want to go all the way out to your shitty ass hovel in the sticks just to bang your Auschwitz looking peasant wife? When there's loads of ripe young pussy at court literally BEGGING for your dick and you can afford the finest prostitutes on retainer?

[Anonymous No.16859640]

>>16859636
yeah it's not like when the farming was over everyone just lazed around in their houses all day until the weather warmed up.

[Anonymous No.16859641]

>>16859636
If you think farmers work all day long all year round I have to wonder if you've ever even seen a farm.

[Anonymous No.16859642]

>>16859636
Okay faggot.

[Anonymous No.16859665]

>>16859641
If you think they have free time, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, you soft fuck

[Anonymous No.16859677]

>>16859665
How much farming do you think happens in the winter?

[Anonymous No.16859705]

>>16859677
this guy thinks they just lazed around in their houses all day until the weather warmed up

[Anonymous No.16859712]

>>16859582
Is this retarded meme still being propogated?

[Anonymous No.16859721]

>>16859677
What do you think they do? Just bum around?.
Fences, machines, barns dont fix themselves. It is time to catchup on all that shit. Feral pigs and dogs dont go on holiday. Winter is a busy time preparing for spring. Fuck that up and you wont be ready. The only time there is a bit of a break for contractors is during the wet season and all the roads get bogged. The owners do not rest tho. They are busy planning for the next season. Workers dont just appear either. Massive turnover and hard to keep workers because NO ONE actually likes doijg it if they give it a go.

[Anonymous No.16859726]

>>16859705
Refute it then.

[Anonymous No.16859730]

>>16859721
Eat the food they spent the whole year stockpiling for winter so they wouldn't starve to death.
>Fences, machines, barns dont fix themselves.
What machines do you think medieval peasants were using?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16859739]

>>16859470
I don’t

[Anonymous No.16859753]

>>16859730
They would be using cows and horses. What do you think you need to do with them in winter? Think, you fuck. Think

[Anonymous No.16859785]

>>16859753
Do you think medieval peasants had stables full of horses? You might have had an ox or a mule. Unless you were some lords stablemaster taking care of a bunch of horses was not an issue.

[Anonymous No.16859797]

>>16859712
It's true. If a noble wants he can fuck your wife and there's nothing you can do about it

[Anonymous No.16859815]

>>16859797
If Donald Trump showed up at your door with the secret service in tow and demanded to fuck your wife what options do you think you have today?

[Anonymous No.16859846]

>>16859398
t. incel

[Anonymous No.16859878]

I implore you ignorant assholes to read Cathedral, Forge And Waterwheel by Gies about Medieval Technology (they actually had a lot left from Rome and invented a lot more) and Feudal Society i & ii by Marc Bloch to actually understand how European medieval life and thought was.

These are on libgen btw

[Anonymous No.16859894]

>>16858887
ted kaczynski had homo sex and literally got a guy cumming in his ass

also pic

[Anonymous No.16859900]

>>16859894
>excludes Russia where the life expectancy dramatically dropped
Crafty

[Anonymous No.16859915]

>>16859636
I have worked both on a farm for a few days during the most physically intensive season here and I have also worked as an urban wage-cuck. I can't even compare the two, if you are a healthy male and enjoy physical activity then it is a nobrainer that pre-Industrial life was better than modern. Of course if you are a skinny or obese effeminate urbanite who is scared of bugs, then you would much rather being a pathetic wage-cuck.

[Anonymous No.16859923]

>>16859894
>live long good
Brainlet

[Anonymous No.16859940]

>>16859479
>muh modern medicin
You bitchass niggas deserve to die if you can't handle a small infection or flu without 30 pills lmao

[Anonymous No.16859959]

>>16859641
You have literally never seen a real farm in your entire life. Industrialization has made modern farming so unfathomably easy that "real farming" only exists in the past.

[Anonymous No.16859977]

>>16859900
Gee I wonder if it was because of the collapse of their government

[Anonymous No.16859984]

>>16859846
Yes. My penis remains pure and virile, unblemished by the filth of whores and painted harlots.

[Anonymous No.16860014]

>>16859894
Everyone knows this life expectancy stat is skewed by infant mortality. When corrected, ancient life expectancy isn't much lower than modern Americans'.

[Anonymous No.16860015]

>>16859984
kek that pic looks just like Scooby

[Anonymous No.16860018]

>>16859900
Russia is what happens when commies roll in, fuck up your institutions, fuck up your elites, and leave a bunch of national minorities in charge.

[Anonymous No.16860026]

>>16859959
Go change a single tractor tyre and tell us that is unfathomably easy. Or dehorn and castrate 150 head per day for two weeks straight.
Unfathomably easy
Gtfo nerd

[Anonymous No.16860029]

>>16859915
"For a few days"
Kek

[Anonymous No.16860030]

>>16860026
>Or dehorn and castrate
I already do that for fun.

[Anonymous No.16860044]

>>16859451
Buttercup dear how shall I phrase this? You have lords and you don't kill them. Why do you believe you would have the courage to stand up against a medieval landlord/ruler? Because it's just an edgy rant of white liberals trying to be like classical liberals.

[Anonymous No.16860052]

>>16859398
>peasants most of the time did not have the money to hold land or entertain a wife so they lived as hirelings in the farmstead of a relative
>most of the time only the oldest brother inherited all of the land, otherwise the land would have been partitioned out of existence
>worked from dawn to dusk (which implies very long work days in the summer and very short work days in winter)
>even on vacation days most had social obligations like attending very long church services in Latin or organizing some parts of the town festival
>your neighbor actually looked like you because he is your brother and if you are lucky and wealthy enough your son will marry his daughter
>even without niggers people acted like niggers due to bad education, superstition, systematic banditry, peasant revolts, robber barons, etc.
>drinking very thin beer all day because the water might kill you
>usually a vegetable diet because the local lord holds privilege for game hunting and if you should try and hunt a rabbit on your own, he's gonna behead you
>you smack your wife, she complains to the local priest, the local priest shits on you publicly in the next sermon he holds, forever ostracizing you in your tight-knit village community
By Jove, what a great world we lost!

[Anonymous No.16860057]

>>16860052
>drinking very thin beer all day because the water might kill you
This is a myth.

[Anonymous No.16860079]

>>16860052
>drinking very thin beer all day because the water might kill you
>all water sources in europe were poisoned somehow
Where did this meme come from? I blame public education.

>vegetable diet
>not grain diet
I'm not saying it's better, but at least be accurate.

>you smack your wife, she complains to the local priest
Maybe for a savage beating half to death, but basically this is incorrect.

[Anonymous No.16860091]

>>16860052
Forgot one...
>your neighbor is your brother and your daughter marries his son
Not everyone was inbred throughout the entirety of human history. Do you know how long modern humans have existed? Do you really think all of them were inbred until 100 years ago?

[Anonymous No.16860100]

>>16860052
>>peasants most of the time did not have the money to hold land or entertain a wife so they lived as hirelings in the farmstead of a relative
>>most of the time only the oldest brother inherited all of the land, otherwise the land would have been partitioned out of existence
Depends on the region and time period, but this isn't actualy that wrong
>>worked from dawn to dusk (which implies very long work days in the summer and very short work days in winter)
What people understood as "work" was very different from the industrial underdtanding. Peasants would take long breaks, take naps after lunch and would do a variety of tasks (if harvesting season wasn't on). Factory owners had massive problems with getting peasants to actualy work 12 hours at a time, which is why they prefered to use children and women
>>even on vacation days most had social obligations like attending very long church services in Latin or organizing some parts of the town festival
People today also have social obligations, not to speak about chores around the house which don't count as work today, but would have counted back then
>>your neighbor actually looked like you because he is your brother and if you are lucky and wealthy enough your son will marry his daughter
Peasants had very strict laws to abid to when it came to marriage. The church would keep family trees of everyone to check if you could marry someone, since you couldn't marry up to the 12th generation (all though this obviously becomes almost impossible). In christian albania you where not allowed to marry someone from your tribe or village, even if you had no relation.
>>even without niggers people acted like niggers due to bad education, superstition, systematic banditry, peasant revolts, robber barons, etc.
Probably not that wrong if you ever interacted with actual rural people. Tho they are much more fun to hang around than oversozialised urban faggots.
>>drinking very thin beer all day because the water might kill you
They drank beer because it was a good source of calories and noutrition, not because the water was dirty, since they knew how to debacterialize watter easily
>>usually a vegetable diet because the local lord holds privilege for game hunting and if you should try and hunt a rabbit on your own, he's gonna behead you
Completly depends on the region, this was not true for all europe. Meat actualy was somewhat rarer than today, but they would eat a lot of diary produce and eggs (depending on the region they would also eat a lot of fish).
>>you smack your wife, she complains to the local priest, the local priest shits on you publicly in the next sermon he holds, forever ostracizing you in your tight-knit village community
Yes, if you did it without good reason that would happen. You couldn't treat your wife like complete shit, since you always had to keep in mind that her family would not like that. But if you had good reason, people would understand it more than today.

[Anonymous No.16860101]

>>16859721
At least someone knows what he is talking about.
In winter you sit in small dark smelly room and weave baskets, ropes, fix tools and do other boring but needed things.
Vacation my ass.

[Anonymous No.16860109]

>>16860101
People today still do these things, nowadays they are called hobbys tho

[Anonymous No.16860126]

>>16858887
Yes

[Anonymous No.16860128]

>>16860079
Water purity is a real problem all over the world, not just third world either, even TODAY.
You do know that a way that archaeologists determine what medieval villages' primary diets were is not just tooth wear and bone content, but by types of parasites found in medieval cess pools and outhouses.
Food wasn't clean and water wasn't clean.

[Anonymous No.16860143]

>>16860100
Any good books on such things anon? I know it's a big question.

[Anonymous No.16860153]

>>16860143
See
>>16859878

[Anonymous No.16860174]

>>16860153
Many thanks.

[Anonymous No.16860187]

>>16860128
>my swiss teenage virgin tradwife and I have matching parasites
Stop anon, you're making my heart ache.

[Anonymous No.16860191]

>>16860143
Well, there are a lot of sources to look into. "Medieval europe" is a very long time and takes place in a large and diverse region. You had pagan tribes in the baltic, muslim califates in spain, a roman empire in the balkan and proto mercantile citystates in italy at the same time, which obviously meant big differences for the people. A lot of my "knowledge" comes from my family, who have a farm in rural kosovo (not some modern profit oriented farm). Also, i'd recomend the Kanun, which is the ancient albanian law book, where you can actualy get a very good understanding how people lived back then (even though the laws where only written down in the 20th century and mentioned things like guns and coffee, which would not have existed in the medieval timeframe). Keep in mind though that albanian society was much more tribal than others and basicly had no feudal lords like for example central europe.

[Anonymous No.16860204]

>>16859451
Nice larp

[Anonymous No.16860216]

>>16860128
People knew how to purify water in most of the world. They did prefer beer because it was a great way to get some extra calories (the average peasant consumed more calories than the average modern man). Beer (or better to say ale) came in many variations, one beeing the more wattered down version for the normal day, which would give you a small buzz at most, and the other beeing much stronger versions for feasts and celebrations.

[Anonymous No.16860362]

>>16860128
water from springs and glaciers is usually clean

[Anonymous No.16860366]

>>16859451
Serious Butters, aren't you embarassed to be 40 and still thinking Socialism is ever going to be acheivable. The Capitalists have won, seriously, they're going to cause the death of the planet and there is literally nothing we can do about it. Especially when trannies like you have made the left a comlete and utter embarassment that no one wants to go near.

[Anonymous No.16860372]

>>16860191
Anything on Medieval Britain? Relating, even slightly, to undermining certain myths about the period? Any period, really. Again, I know it's a big ask.

[Anonymous No.16860410]

>>16860372
I'm not that well read on british history, but there is this youtube channel called Modern History TV, which has some good videos on how medieval people lived (though a lot of it is focused on knights). This video is a good one, where he talks about what a peasant would eat
https://youtu.be/WeVcey0Ng-w

[Anonymous No.16860413]

>>16859479
Muh modun medicun.

[Anonymous No.16860421]

>>16859636
What do you think happens in the winter you dolt. Have you ever done a day's work farming?

[Anonymous No.16860464]

>>16859959
You're a retard. I can assure you it isn't easy.

[Anonymous No.16860474]

>>16860410
Cheers :)

[Anonymous No.16860564]

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html#hours

Eight centuries of annual hours
13th century - Adult male peasant, U.K.: 1620 hours

Calculated from Gregory Clark's estimate of 150 days per family, assumes 12 hours per day, 135 days per year for adult male ("Impatience, Poverty, and Open Field Agriculture", mimeo, 1986)

14th century - Casual laborer, U.K.: 1440 hours

Calculated from Nora Ritchie's estimate of 120 days per year. Assumes 12-hour day. ("Labour conditions in Essex in the reign of Richard II", in E.M. Carus-Wilson, ed., Essays in Economic History, vol. II, London: Edward Arnold, 1962).

Middle ages - English worker: 2309 hours

Juliet Schor's estime of average medieval laborer working two-thirds of the year at 9.5 hours per day

1400-1600 - Farmer-miner, adult male, U.K.: 1980 hours

Calculated from Ian Blanchard's estimate of 180 days per year. Assumes 11-hour day ("Labour productivity and work psychology in the English mining industry, 1400-1600", Economic History Review 31, 23 (1978).

1840 - Average worker, U.K.: 3105-3588 hours

Based on 69-hour week; hours from W.S. Woytinsky, "Hours of labor," in Encyclopedia of the Social Sciences, vol. III (New York: Macmillan, 1935). Low estimate assumes 45 week year, high one assumes 52 week year

1850 - Average worker, U.S.: 3150-3650 hours

Based on 70-hour week; hours from Joseph Zeisel, "The workweek in American industry, 1850-1956", Monthly Labor Review 81, 23-29 (1958). Low estimate assumes 45 week year, high one assumes 52 week year

1987 - Average worker, U.S.: 1949 hours

From The Overworked American: The Unexpected Decline of Leisure, by Juliet B. Schor, Table 2.4

1988 - Manufacturing workers, U.K.: 1856 hours

Calculated from Bureau of Labor Statistics data, Office of Productivity and Technology

[Anonymous No.16860571]

>>16859398
>owned land
read 1 book

[Anonymous No.16860604]

>>16860564
Chores are not included in modern workers workday, while it is for medieval peasants. Commuting time also isn't included. Keep also in mind that breaks are not accounted for, sources from the early industrialization show that peasants where used to taking a lot of breaks and having long lunches. Factory owners had a hard time stopping them from taking too many breaks.

[Anonymous No.16860617]

>>16858887
I'm a peasant farmer in the 21st century and I'm a minimum wage worker