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Is this shit really >2000 pages?

>> No.16854216

>>16854204
2000 pages of pure cope

>> No.16854221

>>16854216
based

>> No.16854223

>>16854216
>i know this because i read the sparknotes from benshapiro.gov.

>> No.16854230

>>16854204
And so is the Bible, both are shit.

>> No.16854237

>>16854204
Yes and 0 of them are worth reading. The whole theory is retarded and unsustainable.

>> No.16854264

I took the time to read the Communist Manifesto, and their is no way I'm wasting any more time reading this retards insult to theory and philosophy. Its pure fantasy bullshit.

>> No.16854265
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>>16854204
>the virgin 2000 pages versus the chad 75 pages

>> No.16854267

Has anyone actually read the whole thing and didn't think it was time wasted?

>> No.16854278

>>16854237
>>16854216
>>16854264
why

>>16854267
michael heinrich

>> No.16854301

>>16854278
no i mean here on /lit/. I'd like to hear an opinion from someone who liked it (bonus point if it isnt a hardcore marxist)

>> No.16854324

>*BRAP* yeah das kapital baybeee


Please don't waste your time reading this garbage

>> No.16854341

>>16854301
I've read volume 1, I think it's good if you have prior knowledge of Adam Smith/David Ricardo and understand Marx's project as a critique of the initial project of political economy by showing tendencies within capitalist society that cannot be reconciled within capitalist society. All the posters giving visceral reactions here about how bad it is, garbage, etc. probably couldn't describe some basic concepts employed in the work, such as one as simple and basic as Marx's concept of the commodity.

>> No.16854358

>>16854341
>>16854301

Volumes 2 and 3 are more complex and employ more maths and involve a heavier reliance on empirical data. This is why some Marxians have claimed that the tendency of the rate of profit to fall is no longer in effect, and that Marx wasn't as unambiguous about it as Engels, who edited the second and third volumes. This also applies to theories of underconsumption/overconsumption causing crisis.

>> No.16854407

>>16854204
cringe book

>>16854265
cringe book

>> No.16854414

>>16854407
why

>> No.16854416

>>16854204
I have a feeling that this thread is going to be good [sarcasm].

>> No.16854565

>>16854237
> ITT someone who clearly has not read a single word of it

>> No.16854594

>>16854264
>Pamphlet written for uneducated farmers and factory workers is retarded
I'm not even a Marxist but holy shit what a stupid post.

>> No.16854619

Why do we have another bunch of /pol/ il/lit/erates dissing a political economy text they never read on /lit/?
Fuck off back home to your retard club

>> No.16854626

I didnt want ti read it but after this thread I'm ordering it. There's no way a book this influential on humanity can be written off as garbage. I like long dense reads and typically enjoy what the polcels hate

>> No.16854629

>>16854565
>t. braindead American commie with gender dysmorphia

>> No.16854647

>>16854265
the tractatus is literal r8ddit discovering language is a meme

>> No.16854666

>>16854629
It’s gender dysphoria retard

>> No.16854680

>>16854629
Your screeching and whining is worse than aby transgender attention whoring

>> No.16854717

>>16854216
>>16854237
>>16854230
>>16854264
>>16854324
>>16854407
>>16854629
Filtered. Ya hate to see it.

>> No.16854731

>>16854666
Lol, so i was right.
>>16854680
Any*

>> No.16855218
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>>16854204
Yes, Das Kapital isn't a good starting point in my opinion. It gets recommended all the time together with the manifesto, but I would recommend pic related instead.

>> No.16855225

>>16854216
The first post is also the best post

>> No.16855234

>>16854594
If you want people to go along with your shit and be your human pawns you should make it more realistic. It failed at its intent which is a bad thing

>> No.16855303

why does Marx make so many people seethe lmao?

>> No.16855367

>>16855303
Stupid ideology, that can't be done on large scale.

>> No.16855405

>>16855303

Imagine if when Newton invented algebra, for some reason, every time you applied it killed a few million people. Now imagine that mathematicians still insisted on using algebra because lul you plebs don't understand math and muh Newton forms the cornerstone of our school of thought.

>> No.16855445

>>16855367
>>16855405
you realize Marx himself was against russians and asians applying his theories, right?

>> No.16855449

>>16855445
is this on the Capital?

>> No.16855453
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16855453

Marx? No, thanks.

>> No.16855479

>>16855449
he himself wrote letters to russian socialists telling that that under no circumstances can they apply his theories, since they are meant for developed capitalist Western countries and not peasant shitholes. Engels and Marx called asians and russians literal barbarians.

>> No.16855626

>>16855234
It was a piece of paper meant to rile up workers not an indepth political treaties what where you expecting?

>> No.16855655

>>16854717
>Ya
Please refrain from bringing trivial and nigger-like jargon on this supposedly cultivated board

>> No.16855679

>>16855655
Shiet mane if you werent a dang pseudointellectual fuckwit you'd understand the usage of common vernacular is common to every great work of fiction. Yooo damn fartknocker

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>>16855479
based

>> No.16855792

can someone who has read it tell me how much of it is even relevant given that the end goal of all that theory seems to be the creation of a classless stateless society which is virtually impossible to implement given that the process inherently requires class and state to an extreme degree beyond even what most forms of capitalism require?

>> No.16856023

>>16854204
When you put all three volumes together it is. But the second and third volume aren’t finished. The second is a mostly completed manuscript, albeit very unpolished, and the third volume isn’t even close to being completed, let alone in a publishable form.

Had Marx finished I suspect that v2 would have been a bit shorter, and v3 would have been *much* shorter. The reason being that Marx had this idea about there being a distinct difference in ‘the method of investigation’ and ‘the method of presentation’, where he first moves from the concrete to the abstract, and then presents starting with the abstract and moves to the concrete.

His final version would trim avenues of investigation that side tracked from the main dialectical path

>> No.16856614

>>16854216
Fpbp

>> No.16856648

>>16854216
First post worst post. You and I both know that not only have you not read a single word of the book, you're also incapable of doing so as you lack the mental and educational training for it. Calling something a cope is easy, reading and understanding are not.

>> No.16856735

>>16856648
Can I jump right into it or do I need an understanding of the austrian school and economics history like adam smith

>> No.16856838

>>16854267
I read the first two volumes. It's interesting, I'd definitely recommend reading a good cliff notes of it. No reason whatsoever to read the whole thing

>> No.16856912

>>16856735
Austrian School came later so no to that, but having at least a rough knowledge of Smith and especially Ricardo helps at least for the sake of context.

If you want something to help, the book The Worldly Philosophers by Robert Heilbroner is great. If you read that up until the Marx chapter (but not the Marx chapter itself) that will put you in a better place to approach it.

If you want something that can help you through the book itself, I'd check out An Introduction to the Three Volumes of Capital by Michael Heinrich. If all that is a little advanced, the Intros by Ben Fine and by David Harvey are a bit easier.

>> No.16857055

>>16856912
Thank you!

>> No.16857271

>>16855453
based Bawerk poster

>> No.16857645

>>16854223
benshapiro.edu

worthless preterit scum

>> No.16857842

>>16854267
Read the first volume (first 1000 pages) complete. It was waste of time and it's probably the best of the three volumes. Honestly just read a selection of some chapters and you'll be okay. Being a marxist and having this shit of a book as your bible must be embarrassing

>> No.16857889

>>16857842
Can you give a little bit more detail about what it's about?/What it's general contours are like?