The Subversive Personality

[Anonymous No.16847880]

I wanna write a book about Frankfurt School kikes and other pieces of shit leftists who hate reality and want to enslave humanity.

Has anyone done this yet?

[Anonymous No.16847967]

read macdonald

[Anonymous No.16848251]

>>16847880
have you actually read Adorno, Horkheimer or Marcuse? if you write a book about 'wah wah the kikes who wanna destroy western civilization' without an inkling of knowledge on their theoretical works you will just look ridiculous

[Anonymous No.16848361]

>>16847880
I know it's tempting anon, but the best thing you can do is to just completely ignore them and write books of beauty and power. This is ultimately what triggers them the most. As >>16848251 said, you would have to read them first, and at that point you already lost

[Anonymous No.16848394]

>>16848361
This is a cope. It's just admitting you choose to live in intellectual ignorance and irrationally choose your philosophical and political outlook.

[Anonymous No.16848476]

>>16847880
yes

[Anonymous No.16848582]

>>16848394
Nah, when you "go in" with these people, they just twist your words against you, they aren't arguing in good faith. The only response is violent force

[Anonymous No.16848624]

>>16848582
>Nah, when you "go in"
I can't defeat them in debate, so I choose to believe that they're argueing in bad faith. Ftfy

[Anonymous No.16848626]

>>16848394
Being honest about it is more admirable than pretending that you're some kind of transcendent rational being that's above everyone else. People like that are truly not people at all.

[Anonymous No.16848643]

>>16848582
You're not debating Adorno/Horkheimer/Marcuse, you're reading them. Your meta-'critique' of them can equally be applied to anyone who does not share your worldview.

>>16848626
I'm not sure who your comment on a 'transcendental rational being' is supposed to be directed towards.

[Anonymous No.16848650]

>>16848624
This.

[Anonymous No.16848754]

>>16848643
>I'm not sure who your comment on a 'transcendental rational being' is supposed to be directed towards.
At any subhuman idiot who thinks that they do not irrationally choose their philosophical and political outlook.

[Anonymous No.16848811]

>>16847880
Adorno was based, leave him alone. I don’t get how you don’t recognize that all Frankfurt thought is entirely in line with the general development of German philosophy as it had been for the previous 300 years.

[Anonymous No.16848824]

>>16847880
Consider for a moment if The Authoritarian Personality actually is the book that correctly diagnoses leftist SJW's with hating reality and wanting to enslave morality.

[Anonymous No.16848847]

>>16847880
>leftists who hate reality and want to enslave humanity
Their whole thing is about liberating humanity. Anyone who defends wage labor (right wingers, though they used to oppose it) is defending slavery.

[Anonymous No.16848852]

>>16848251
>have you actually read Adorno, Horkheimer or Marcuse? if you write a book about 'wah wah the kikes who wanna destroy western civilization' without an inkling of knowledge on their theoretical works you will just look ridiculous
have you anon?
>AUTHORITY AND THE FAMILY by Horkheimer

[Anonymous No.16848857]

>>16848824
They want to fight the New Left but they don't want to hear that it was actually invented by former Nazis working for the RAND Corporation at the behest of the CIA in order to distract young leftists from supporting the USSR.

[Anonymous No.16848881]

>>16848394
sure, faggot. whatever u need to tell urself. you don't need to read these people to understand that they are fundamentally evil.

[Anonymous No.16848886]

>>16848847
>No, I'm calling slavery liberation so I'm the good guy!

[Anonymous No.16848896]

>>16848251
I would hate to look ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.16848901]

Jews hate beauty because they are ugly and that spite makes them want to destroy anything they will never be able to have. They are an evolutionary dead end, a tumorous growth on humanity, and we will never reach the stars until they are dealt with.

[Anonymous No.16848903]

>>16847880

The Culture of Critique

[Anonymous No.16848904]

>anti-intellectualism is based XD!

[Anonymous No.16848923]

>>16848904

>kikes
>intellectual

[Anonymous No.16848937]

>>16848251
Actually yes i have wasted a semester of my life on retarded theory with a prestigious protege of that french bdsm home of sexual foucault, under his twinkish tutelage i had to read dialectic of the enlightenment, marcuse's ejaculation "the one dimensional man(faggot)" and a bunch of dumb shit horkheimer wrote. the only good thing to come of that class was Macintyre's short treatise on Marcuse, even that was an utter waste of time because you have to be a bumbling retard to think that any of those people were more than horny feds

[Anonymous No.16848939]

>>16848904

[Anonymous No.16848948]

>>16848937
i'm sorry anon I get mad every time I even think about that class

[Anonymous No.16848998]

>>16848624
>N-no goy, you can't just ignore me! You have to engage with my arguments earnestly, even though I lie, cheat, steal, and alter my definitions at my own convenience
Nah, pass. Kikes will be hewn down, and cast into the fire

[Anonymous No.16849001]

>>16848998
>the fantastical mind of a silly idiot

[Anonymous No.16849019]

>>16849001
You're not gonna trick me into reading that dreck, faggot. Give up

[Anonymous No.16849039]

>>16849019
Its not a book babe. Its a description of your ideology

[Anonymous No.16849058]

>>16849039
Here, read this then

[Anonymous No.16849167]

>>16848811
>NO GOY, YOU CAN'T HAVE PRESERVATION INSTINCT

>NO GOY, YOU CAN'T WANT TO OWN THINGS OR YOU'RE A FASCIST

>NO GOY, YOU CAN'T HAVE RELIGIOM BECAUSE IT MIGHT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST DEGENERATES.

>NO GOY, YOU CAN'T HAVE FAMILIES

>NO GOY, YOUR IMPULSE TO BE HETEROSEXUAL IS WRONG

>NO GOY, YOUR IMPULSE TO MAKE FUN OF HOMSEXUALS IS WRONG

>NO GOY, WANTING TO BE PHYSICALLY STRONG MAKES YOU A DICTATOR IN THE MAKING

This kike is pure satanic trash trying to weaken the western world through academia.

This book and this kike and every fucking demonic sack of shit in the Frankfurt School perfectly reveals the literal face of evil, and the goal of academia to weaken and destroy a human being.

[Anonymous No.16849176]

>>16849167
Idk man I didnt read a word you posted but I hate and disagree with all of it

[Anonymous No.16849186]

>>16849167
Based. Can't wait until it's acceptable to speak like this in public.

[Anonymous No.16849198]

>>16849186
>>16849176
Time is running out, grow a backbone.

Live for something or die for nothing

[Anonymous No.16849208]

[Anonymous No.16849210]

>>16849208
Feds can't meme

[Anonymous No.16849216]

>>16849167
>when you’ve never read anything that was put out by frankfurt school ‘kikes’

[Anonymous No.16849221]

>>16849216
Nice try, still not gonna read it

[Anonymous No.16849223]

>>16849210
IT'S DA FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDS!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.16849235]

>>16849223
It reakly is man. I promise, the CIA are very concerned about the very very few nazis that shitpost online all day and do nothing of significance in the real world

[Anonymous No.16849238]

>>16849216
>when you did a literal final highschool project exposing the undermining of the family unit and you DID read the books of the Frankfurt School and you DID use direct quotes.

I mogg you, go fuck a steaming pile of dog shit

>>16849208
>>16849210
>>16849223
IT'S THE THREAD DERAILERS!!!

I mogg you into oblivion.

[Anonymous No.16849240]

>>16849221
You wouldn’t hate it if you bothered to critically engage with it, even if still you think it’s wrong. You’re just retarded g

[Anonymous No.16849250]

>>16848937
why would I read some spiritual slave who willingly subject himself to institutionalisation? Anyone docile enough to go through university is not worth my time.

[Anonymous No.16849255]

>>16849238
I guess I typed that out twice and didn't notice it

[Anonymous No.16849260]

>>16849235
spot on, they cant do shit in real life so they shit up other boards to feel a sense of accomplishment. pol retards are the worst.

[Anonymous No.16849263]

testing

[Anonymous No.16849268]

>>16849250
Peak anti-intellectualism.
>>16849238
>literal
Fucking redditors

[Anonymous No.16849280]

>>16847967
this

and also Herve Ryssen

[Anonymous No.16849295]

>>16849167
No you dont get it, loving your father means you're a fascist!

[Anonymous No.16849314]

>>16849240
Nah, I don't think I would. I'm pretty busy reading better stuff.

[Anonymous No.16849390]

>>16848251
Why do some people treat frankfurt school sociology as this faultless, airtight system that you could only disagree with on either ideological grounds (>muh pol) or because you didn't read them to begin with? This sort of mysticizing is on par with e-muslims talking about how the quran predicted quantum science and shit. Just take the L and stop doubling down when people point out the inherent flaws and contradictions of its system.

[Anonymous No.16849397]

>>16848582
Based.

[Anonymous No.16849403]

>>16849390
They can't, which is why they must be disposed of physically

[Anonymous No.16849426]

>>16847880
There's a whole board on this site where you can post your deranged rantings to a likeminded audience.

[Anonymous No.16849471]

>>16847880
The importance of Critical Theory is vastly overstated on the Right, imo. It's just the fad of the time - the Left will rearticulate the idea of equality using whatever tools are available at the time, whether it's Reason, Scientific Socialism, Third Worldism, Critical Social Justice, etc. the window dressing changes but the core, equality, remains the same. You could just as well appropriate much of Critical Theory for non-egalitarian ends.

[Anonymous No.16849483]

>>16847880
Is there so many deranged losers on pol/ that the average deranged loser can no longer get as much attention on there so they need to come and infect other boards? Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.16849493]

>>16849483
>t. I FUCKING LOVE JEWSSS UDEDEEEE!!!@@!@!!11

[Anonymous No.16849509]

>>16849240
to be honest. It's not as if guys like Umberto ever read any Fascist lit before writing stuff like ur-Fascism

[Anonymous No.16849521]

>>16847880
Imagine your entire personality being about hating Jews. No wonder white men are such empty, degenerate vessels these days.

[Anonymous No.16849525]

>>16849403
I disagree. They need to be treated with paternal love at all time while at the same time be withheld from power at all costs.

[Anonymous No.16849537]

>>16849426
>echo-chambers are bad except on my subreddit

[Anonymous No.16849548]

>>16849537
echo chambers are good when you need to contain a group of 90iq schizoid retards

[Anonymous No.16849571]

>>16848901
Jew here. I'm actually rather handsome.

[Anonymous No.16849574]

>>16849521
You know. Whenever I mention the animosity minorities are increasingly showing towards "white people" a progressive always feels the need to ask my why I think they do that, implying ofc that there is a real-world inherently evil cause that justifies their hatred, to which I say ressentiment and the fact that they are taught to. Why do you think these dudes hate Jews?

[Anonymous No.16849577]

>>16848901
you've never talked to a yid in your life, they are a "hard necked people" but jewish art hoes are a prerequisite of any aesthetic undertaking

>>16849250
the university is gay but somehow you managed to be gayer

[Anonymous No.16849585]

>>16847880
>has anyone already written a book on that important school of philosophy that started 50 years ago and was dominating the German intellectual landscape until recently

I'm going to venture a guess and say yes.

[Anonymous No.16849587]

>>16849548
agreed, and you're leaving your containment.

[Anonymous No.16849595]

>>16849521
What a braindead post. White men hate Jews less than they have for the past millenium. However white men are today has nothing to do with hating Jews and in fact correlates with liking them

[Anonymous No.16849597]

>>16849390
No flaws have been pointed out so far, retard. It shouldn't be a controversial statement to say that you should read the philosophers/sociologists you intend to criticise.

[Anonymous No.16849602]

>>16849390
That's because faggots like the OP always use inaccurate and inflammatory language that betrays they haven't read them and are probably getting their information on them from /pol/ infographs or transexuals American academic midwits (same thing in the end).

Show us a criticism of the Frankfurt school that is on point and thought-out and we'll be more than happy to discuss. And no "on point" doesn't just means "treat that school as faultless", but it does implies a little bit more than muh kikes hate reality or other unspecific nonsense.

[Anonymous No.16849610]

Jews seething in this thread, love to see it

[Anonymous No.16849618]

>>16849602
Have you actually read the Authoritarian Personality? Absolutely nothing in that book needs to be proven wrong since it provides literally no evidence for anything it says. It literally says that liking your family and being Christian are signs of Fascism

[Anonymous No.16849620]

>>16849618
lmao

[Anonymous No.16849629]

>>16849618
Burger reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.16849634]

>>16849618
lmao holy shit
>y-you have t-to engage with my a-arguments, goy a bloo bloo
No.

[Anonymous No.16849635]

>>16849390
I don't think they do. More than likely they're reaponding to extremely poor and biased criticism with extremely poor and biased rebuttals

[Anonymous No.16849640]

>>16849618
Yeah. That's pretty much it.

[Anonymous No.16849643]

>>16847880
I always loved how Adorno (a failed composer) agreed with Hitler (a failed painter) on jazz being degenerate, but he nonetheless still gets paid lip-service by the left.

[OP No.16849659]

>>16849643
lol, so true

[Anonymous No.16849695]

Let's salvage this thread.

My problems with the Authoritarian Personality, briefly: it's one of the classic case studies in bad mid-century social science (a category it shares with other blockbuster works like An American Dilemma and the Kinsey reports) that worked backward from a predetermined conclusion. The book's sponsorship by the American Jewish Congress pretty much demanded that Horkheimer walk back his previous statements about propaganda and prescribe a course of action. The book was one of the pioneers in pathologizing non-liberal attitudes and setting up a highly enlightened liberalism as the exemplar of psychological health. The studies made no pretense of using a representative sample of the US population. One of its main theses is that authoritarian types have repressed feelings of revolt against parental authority, sort of like a dialectical love-hate relationship with the police (hating cops while secretly wishing you were one) which becomes redirected as undue hostility toward outsider groups. To call the book's approach pseudoscientific doesn't even begin to describe it and despite its fairly high citation rate plenty of radical leftists don't take it seriously either.

At some point when discussing the subject of X with an opponent who firmly believes in X, you have to stop going "Ever thought that you only believe in X because you're a loser? Huh? Huh? Ever thought that? Huh? Ever thought about that, that you don't really think X, you just think you think X because you're lame and bad?" It's even worse when all this is done under the veil of rationality while presupposing not one, but TWO positivist dinosaurs of yore, namely psychoanalysis and the marxist dialectics of history.

[Anonymous No.16849721]

>>16849618
I suppose most of Aristotles doesn't even need to be proven wrong either then.
>It literally says that liking your family and being Christian are signs of Fascism
Yes, Adorno is famous for his grandiloquent cultural excommunications, but as ridiculous as this is, many people on this very website make the same mistake (including many people with a visceral hate of Adorno like the OP). So at least proving that part wrong explicitly would do this board good.

[Anonymous No.16849744]

>>16849577
Checked. The only only here telling it true

[Anonymous No.16849831]

>>16849577
I've been to a dozen bar mitzvahs Shlomo. Literally every stereotype about your people is true.

[Anonymous No.16849874]

>>16849695
I mean generally the book just affirmed that ethnocentrism and antisemitism were indeed connected to Authoritarian belief. There are problems and exceptions but generally speaking those claims are true. I think the major failure was in using Freudian psychology to try and determine why these beliefs are formed and explain how ones childhood can lead to Authoritarian pre-disposition.

Its generally accepted that yes ethnocentrism is related go Authoritarianism although the causes need to be explored further.

Some pf the results have been replicated and support the original correlation.

You're correct in saying that the sample size and selection were major loints against the validity of the work.

To me it's strange that we still talk about this one. I see almost no one on the left really wielding it against Authoritarianism. It doesnt seek to provide a solution and indeed such an endeavor would probably entail even greater Authoritarianism ironically lmao. Its often overlooked but communists were surveyed and were found nearly as authoritarian as were orthodox Jews.

[Anonymous No.16849898]

>>16849695
You can't salvage a thread where 80% of posts are drive-by samefag derailers and people foolishly responding to drive-by samefag derailers

[Anonymous No.16849901]

>>16849695
Social Science is not even wrong. What's the average IQ of a Social Scientist?

[Anonymous No.16850062]

>>16848857
Woah woah woah....run that by me one more time

[Anonymous No.16850118]

>>16850062
Its a conspuracy

[Anonymous No.16850127]

what is frankfurt school's position on ethnical cleansing of palestine?

[Anonymous No.16850133]

>>16848852
Goes to show that you don't know what you're talking about, especially as you took Horkheimer as your example, of all people. He was pretty conservative on social issues and criticized the widespread availability of the pill because he thought it would destroy romantic relationships.

[Anonymous No.16850245]

>>16849471
Actually some truth this bait thread. There is also actual criticism on contemporary Frankfurt school of Habermas and Honneth for deriving normativity from a backwards looking notion of progress and the problems that brings with it (imperialism, colonization, racism) (Allen)

[Anonymous No.16850252]

>>16850127
Arabs are less dirty than Jews, it would be ethnic filthing

[Anonymous No.16850489]

This book discusses it a bit

[Anonymous No.16850498]

>>16850489
Thank god some men have good taste in shield and sword

[Anonymous No.16850535]

>>16850489
In america the left are subversive queers and jews and the right are also subversive queers and jews who think their fellows are going too far and risk blowing their cover.

[Anonymous No.16850542]

>>16850535
What would buckley and goldwater think if they saw this?

[Anonymous No.16850552]

>>16850245
I think "forward-looking" notions of progress will get criticized as racist too, though. Actually, you can rely on the academy to criticize pretty much anything as racist. The intensification of racism accusations really shows the scale of the legitimacy crisis of the American Left, though.

>>16850542
"Who can give me the most money?"

[Anonymous No.16850599]

>>16850552
The radical left are imdistinguishable from the commanders of imperialist militaries and the hr departments of fortune 500 corporations. Hot take: And thats a good thing. Just like peter thiel moldbug and dr karp being the only true revolutionary marxists in america.

[Anonymous No.16850741]

>>16847880
Pic related did a good job summing up his struggles with them

[Anonymous No.16850830]

>>16850741
Actually pretty /fa/

[Anonymous No.16851021]

>>16849537
Based Schmitt poster
>>16849548
Yep. Back to Ribbit with you.

[Anonymous No.16851045]

>>16850741
Nobody reads Mein Kampf but it's actually very good. Hitler was a master statesman and understood nationalist politics like no other.

Dalton translation is supposed to be the best. Stalag Edition is supposedly the worst but I thought it was fine.

[Anonymous No.16851117]

>>16850830
they don't call it /fa/scism for nothing
>>16851045
>Stalag Edition
This is the edition that is endorsed by the current national socialists party so take that for what you will.

[Anonymous No.16851142]

>>16849167
Lest I be accused of chauvinism, I think the european intellectual tradition is one of the things that sets european civilization apart from others.

Liberalism, socialism, toleration, democracy, these are european inventions, for better or worse.

[Anonymous No.16851188]

>>16849167
Did they really argue this asinine shit? I mean, can you source where Frankfurt School thinkers claim such things?
But yeah, I don't see how this subversive shit ever grew in the first place if they're arguing such disgusting things.

[Anonymous No.16851203]

>>16851142
They are AD garbage philosophies.

[Anonymous No.16851386]

>>16848904
So this is the power of intellectualism.....

[Anonymous No.16851393]

>>16849235
Nice And Zany Individuals?

[Anonymous No.16851665]

>>16849260
When trying to imagine them in real life I don't come up with anything much, probably for the same reason that there isn't much to see from the perspective of a dog or toddler or any other creature that can't tell a coherent anecdote, never mind reflect on its own motives, desires, nature, development, etc. About all they or any other cult members are apparently capable of is a repertoire of stupid human tricks that are remarkable only for their rigid predictability and charmless tone: These stone cold fish were obviously unwanted company almost everywhere else they went before conversion, and are involuntarily asocial as well, in the sense of amiable banter, and are to discourse what locusts are agriculture. There is something almost eerie about their impersonality.

[Anonymous No.16852773]

>>16850599
I think Moldbug, in prefering Filmer over Hobbes and disregarding Locke, is pretty much as anti-progressive/marxist as you can get.

[Anonymous No.16852798]

>>16847880
>I wanna write a book about Frankfurt School kikes and other pieces of shit leftists who hate reality and want to enslave humanity.
I dislike leftism and their modern cancel culture, but please try to write better than you do now. “DUUUUH, Niggers and Jews, bad news, amirite?”

[Anonymous No.16853288]

>>16851665
Pseud tryhard spotted

[Anonymous No.16853302]

>>16849223
ITS DA SNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDS!!!!!

[Anonymous No.16853466]

>>16851188
In the fucking book asshat

[Anonymous No.16854035]

>>16851188
no they didnt retard read the fucking book

[Anonymous No.16854070]

>>16853466
This book essentially only proposes that ethnocentrism leads to authoritarianism, and tried to use Freudian psychology to explain why.

[Anonymous No.16854445]

>>16854070
Shut up kike

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://freudians.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Horkheimer-Authority-and-the-Family.compressed.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiO7Lbbl5ntAhXkpVkKHYrEBlcQFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw0HBa8kvDvvuTC2NiNoDL1D

[Anonymous No.16854592]

>>16854445
(Your comment belongs in bant)
Reason: off-topic

[Anonymous No.16854718]

>>16847880
>/pol/ shit all day every day
You need to go back

[Anonymous No.16854736]

This is my first time in this shithole and let me tell you what, there are no smart people here. Except the ones naming the jew. And even those are a little iffy.

[Anonymous No.16854740]

>>16854718
Its fucking maddening. A worldview developed out of fairlytales and confirmation biases.
>>16854736
Perfect example.

[Anonymous No.16854754]

>>16854740
>Perfect example.
See >>16854736
>there are no smart people here

[Anonymous No.16854791]

>>16854740
>>16854754
And, btw, fyi, i'll go as far as to get doubles to show you how real i am, you fucking uncultured swine.
Now fuck off, pussyboi.

[Anonymous No.16854793]

>>16854754
Jesus you've spent too much time on 4chan. There exists an entire world outside teeming with the unknown. It will change you. For the better.

[Anonymous No.16854802]

>>16854793
>>16854791

>Jesus you've spent too much time on 4chan. There exists an entire world outside teeming with the unknown. It will change you. For the better.

[Anonymous No.16854833]

It’s never not funny that the most conservative, bourgeois, and institutional group of Marxists became such a boogieman for conservatives.

You expect me to believe Adorno, the only major marxist who has a corpus of writing on Beethoven, is the mastermind behind a plot to destroy western culture? The guy who endlessly wrote derisive commentaries on popular movies, music, books, who criticized idiot rubes for reading news paper horoscopes?

Adorno is one of the most forceful defenders of the great works of western art, of being a learned and cultivated person, and critic of the degeneration of art at the hands of capitalism pursuit of profit at all costs.

[Anonymous No.16854852]

>>16854736
>>16854802
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.16854861]

>>16854833
This. Adorno is a far better defender of the legacy of western culture than nazi thugs or sjw post-structuralist weirdos.

[Anonymous No.16854870]

>>16854833
These aren't their thoughts anon. They're the thoughts of a very particular hivemind. Potentially a psyop. Asking them to read and think for themselves is like asking the swine to fly. They are and always have been the lemmings, the npcs that they so decry to far into their fairytale to have even a moment of self-awareness. Its sad.

[Anonymous No.16854885]

>>16854445
How many pages do I have to read before I get to the subversive part? So far it’s all about different ways of periodizing history.