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[Anonymous No.16825938]

Music played a big role in Nietzsche's philosophy (especially in The Birth of Tragedy.) What type of music do you think Nietzsche would like if he were around today?

[Anonymous No.16825969]

>>16825938
>especially in The Birth of Tragedy
That's Schopenhauer's philosophy, though. Nietzsche was just elucidating a few points in his theory of aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.16825973]

>>16825938
If he were alive today he'd have given up on his vitalism and would've killed himself in fear of what this world has become. We are the last men

[Anonymous No.16825979]

>>16825938
i don't know and who cares. You could make an argument for anything really and then you'll have a bunch of people saying that he would have thought it was decadent and they'd be just as right as you are.
With that said he would listen to krautrock. specifically neu

[Anonymous No.16825994]

>>16825938
Jungle

[Anonymous No.16826009]

>>16825969
Schopenhauer and Nietzsche believed that art served differences though. Schopenhauer believed that the purpose of art was to quell the will. In regards to the OP< that could be any depressing music. Although Nietzsche shared Schopenhauer's love of tragedy, he believed the purpose of art was to affirm life in the face of suffering, and he also developed his own theory of Apollonian and Dionysian elements of art. That makes contemplating what kind of modern music Nietzsche might have liked a bit more difficult.

[Anonymous No.16826020]

>>16826009
*believed that served different purposes

[Anonymous No.16826053]

>>16825938
Metallica instrumentals and black metal shit, but secretly thinks Abba's Waterloo first 30 seconds are the best pop song lyrics ever written

[Anonymous No.16826151]

>>16826009
I largely agree, my point being the aesthetic theory Nietzsche was building up on was Schopenhauer's. However, I believe there is some misunderstanding here. The music or art that "quells" the will would not be a depressing music. It would rather be a sort of calm aesthetic experience that does not stir the will at all. Think about early classical pieces. This is the sort of art that Schopenhauer was interested in and the sort that Nietzsche calls Apollonian. One of Nietzsche's goals in BoT was to show how the Dionysian side, which he believed Schopenhauer neglected, fits in the general theory. So you can see early on in Nietzsche's work how he differs with Schopenhauer. Schopenhauer wanted an art that mitigated suffering by captivating you in an aesthetic experience, but Nietzsche wanted art to enable you to bear suffering in its fullest extent.

[Anonymous No.16826425]

Matthäus-Passion, BWV 244

[Anonymous No.16826440]

He would listen to Bladee and Yungster Jack

[Anonymous No.16826464]

>>16825938
Power Metal

[Anonymous No.16826487]

Post-rock

[Anonymous No.16826493]

>>16826440
based

[Anonymous No.16826511]

>>16825938
Trailerpark, K.I.Z, some indie artists, and Death Grips

[Anonymous No.16826830]

prog rock + whatever art music he liked (Bach, Beethoven, Chopin)

[Anonymous No.16826885]

>>16826511
>Trailerpark, K.I.Z and Death Grips
Yeah, Nietzsche would definetively listen to those cringeworthy pseudo non-conformist edgelords. Pls tell me you're trolling

[Anonymous No.16826891]

>>16825938
Machine dance game music

[Anonymous No.16826901]

>>16825938
Rammstein

[Anonymous No.16826910]

>>16825938
Gangsta Rap.

[Anonymous No.16826918]

>>16826885
t. hasn't listened to any of them
They're not non-conformist, but I'll grant you edgelord in regards to Trailerpark

Tell me how a song like "Schlechter Tag" or "Walpurgisnacht" or even "Hurra die Welt geht unter" is not Nietzschean

[Anonymous No.16826985]

>>16826918
>"Hurra die Welt geht unter"
Leftist feel-good hippie utopia, definetively not Nietzschean
>"Walpurgisnacht"
Blatant vulgarism just for shock value
>They're not Non-conformist
Yes (thats what I say) but they try hard to be

[Anonymous No.16827107]

>>16826985
>leftist feel-good
Primitivist and staring-into-the-abyss-and-smiling pilled
>blatant vulgarism
No it's quite life-affirming in its portrayal of violence and ecstasy

[Anonymous No.16827152]

>>16825938
caramelldansen

[Anonymous No.16827192]

>>16825938
Dean Martin

[Anonymous No.16827214]

>>16827107
Which abyss? They're enjoying the reset to a Marxian/Rousseauian primal society which never existed.
"Warum soll ich dir was wegnehmen, wenn wir alles teilen"
Yeah totally Nitzschean
>No it's quite life-affirming in its portrayal of violence and ecstasy
With that kind of logic you could call 90% of vulgar German G rap Nitzschean. It's just edgy, not more not less.

[Anonymous No.16827260]

>>16827214
No there's gangster and general image rap, and then there's consciously focused on image rap. Kollegah is an image rapper because he tries to desperately convey an image as a gangster. KIZ is different in that they know and everyone else knows that they're not really rapists or cannibals or nazis.
>which abyss
You make a fair point but the way I see it they're cheering on the collapse of modern society. Celebrating what the world could be, a celebration of potential.

[Anonymous No.16827326]

>>16827152
Only true reply in this whole thread

[Anonymous No.16827329]

>>16827260
The only way in which this is Nitzschean is, that the listener recognizes how he himself kind of desires what is described in this texts. This isn't just the case with KIZ but with all forms of Rap in which you can find this glorification of violence and sexual promiscuity. The listeners distances himself from the civilized society to achieve some feeling of freedom or power.
Cheering on the collapse of modern society is necessarily Nietzschean especially mit in their case.

[Anonymous No.16827344]

>>16827329
>how he himself kind of desires
Which I honestly think is the point specifically concerning KIZ but the same argument can be made for Trailerpark

[Anonymous No.16827445]

>>16827344
Yeah, though the problem with KIZ is that they are not really consequential with their amoralism. Just listen for example to Boom Boom Boom. As soon as it gets political, they are turning into whining moral faggots wallowing in their mud of so called moral superiority. Whining about some Facebook boomers hating on muslims after you proudly rapping about beheading and raping animals is just kind of cringeworthy.
Don't know about Trailerpark, I'm not to deep into them.

[Anonymous No.16827496]

>>16826464
definitely not. maybe technical death metal though. maybe K-Pop.

[Anonymous No.16827515]

>>16827445
Idk. I know that the events of 2015 onwards (refugee crisis, right wing resurgence, etc) made a lot of artists and entertainers pretty cringe and milquetoast especially in their opinions on politics, but I just relistened to Boom Boom Boom and even the first verse
>Tut mir leid wenn ich den Untertanen-Stolz jetzt verletze
>Doch was quatscht ihr da: "es gibt nicht genug Ausbeutungsplätze"
Is pretty damn anarchistic. Not Nietzschean I suppose but it gets way closer to it than most other german rap. Käptn Peng for example is a lyrical genius but he doesn't have the same Übermensch ecstatic energy.

[Anonymous No.16827625]

>>16827515
Well, you could listen to oder Songs like "Revolution". It's basically and pure call for political violence. Nonetheless our President advertised them without too much backclash. Pretty hard to be provocative these days if you're not right wing

[Anonymous No.16827969]

>>16826009
So schopenhauer would listen to indie and jangle while nietszche would have stanned K-pop. Great. That's what I needed to hear

[Anonymous No.16828001]

>>16825938
kpop

[Anonymous No.16828050]

>>16825938
beatmania music collection

[Anonymous No.16828051]

>>16827625
W-what president?

[Anonymous No.16828116]

>>16828051
You don't remember the "Wir sind mehr" concert in Chemnitz Steinmeier advertised for?

[Anonymous No.16828124]

>>16828116
Not until you reminded me but I'm not german.

[Anonymous No.16828135]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgvCMxYPOFs

[Anonymous No.16828231]

probably listen to drain gang but he won't actually get it because stupid nihilist

[Anonymous No.16828521]

Deathconsciousness ofc

[Anonymous No.16828527]

Why Tarkus of course.

[Anonymous No.16829038]

>>16825938
All the Mahler symphonies
Frank Zappa
Stravinskys Rite of Spring
In the Court of the Crimson King

[Anonymous No.16829145]

drain gang

[Anonymous No.16829519]

Every instrumental French compositions of the XXth

[Anonymous No.16829587]

>>16825938
Billie Elish

[Anonymous No.16829633]

>>16825938
Besides Wagner, he'd listen to old school death metal ala Bolt Thrower

[Anonymous No.16829681]

>>16829519
XXe tu voulais dire

[Anonymous No.16829695]

>>16829038
Nietzsche could have heard Mahler's first symphony but he was went crazy before most of Mahler's greatest works were premiered

[Anonymous No.16829768]

>>16825938
>Music played a big role in Nietzsche's philosophy (especially in The Birth of Tragedy.) What type of music do you think Nietzsche would like if he were around today?
Nietzsche loves music, like any woman and hedonist, and since those people are vapid, they would love pop music., like alizée.

[Anonymous No.16830056]

https://youtu.be/yWrHFKWS028

[Anonymous No.16830085]

[Anonymous No.16830373]

Swans obviously