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This is not a troll, "hurp a durp", etc, post, this is a serious question. 4chan does not have a philosophy board, this is the closest place that this my be accepted? Mods; If it's not good here then please delete it.

During this COVID crisis I have had some extra time to think about the meaning of life.

Best summary of peoples ideas on the subject may be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life

Absurdism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism)) makes the most sense to me.

Would anybody else have some thoughts on this?

>> No.16812001

Just read the Bible and go to church.

>> No.16812007

>>16811998
absurdism is dumb
go read the Greeks
>>16812001
and do this

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>>16811998
Read Seraphim Rose's book Nihilism
thats someone who has a great take on this and its fairly short

>> No.16812034

>>16811998
>Best summary of peoples ideas on the subject may be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
kek

Unironically tho my problem with absurdism is I don't see how it has any meaningful difference to plain nihilism. I can see how absurdism necessitates a more life-affirming and positive perspective on life's lack of meaning but doesn't that really just make it a subset of nihilism?

>> No.16812037

>>16811998
Uninformed (unconscious) absolute free will is what makes most sense to me. I can't go back to the absolute shirking of responsibility or agency that is absolute determinism. I know I don't have to go back to it, because it makes me feel like a bitch and I don't want to feel like a bitch.
>oh but like people choose to be born with cancer???
This fucks with me I have to admit, and I answer YES. On some level, the you that was you in the womb and in the act of procreation of your parents and in the mixing of genetic lineages infact chose to be born with cancer. Sometimes the brain just does that. It just do be like that sometimes, but to embrace absolute determinism would mean to give up on any hope to make life be less like that. Chaos is king, but that doesn't mean that it has to be.

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>>16812015
Nihilism doesn't seem reasonable, it makes too much sense

>> No.16812099

>>16812037
How can free will be real though? I can see how that's possible if god exists but without supernatural intervention I don't see how it could be possible for a human brain to consciously supervene on causality.
I don't think determinism really negates personal responsibility. It just challenges the conventional enlightenment understanding of what it is to be an individual. You're not some kind of rational, disembodied decision-making spirit. You are of a substance and life is the test of that substance's strength.

>> No.16812106

>>16812001
>>16812007
/thread

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>>16812034
The difference, as I understand it, is that absurdsertits still believe in meaning, which will end when we die.

Where as nihilisists negate meaning at all times

>> No.16812113

>>16812099
That life is the test of that substance's strength doesn't negate but infact validates free will. Why would life test itself like that if literally ALL DECISIONS were set into stone at the moment of the conception of the universe?

>supernatural intervention
Think of it as placebo. It works because you believe it does, and it can even work if you don't *fully* believe that it does. Go through your week sincerely pretending to believe in free will, that you have real choice and agency which you yourself must decide upon. And see what happens

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As long as someone can define meaning we are good

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>>16812113
Don't over think it

Does a rock care where it is in the river. A rational homo sapien will continue to help AI come into being, so we can finally die

>> No.16812249

>>16812237
Bitch move. Hence your nihilism

>> No.16812338

>>16812113
I don't think you understand. "life" is not some kind of deity that consciously designed the rules of natural selection as a way to "test itself". All of this is a byproduct of natural history that never could have been another way. Likewise creation is an ungoing process, as of yet the history of the universe is unfinished and there are conflicts in motion that remain unresolved. All animals have no choice but to test their strength of substance against life because that is the game we are born into.

>Go through your week sincerely pretending to believe in free will, that you have real choice and agency which you yourself must decide upon. And see what happens
That's literally just turning off your brain to cope though.

>> No.16812350

>>16811998
all that setup just to talk about babby's first thinking about life?

>> No.16812352

>>16812338
>life isn't there to test itself
>but all beings are there to test themselves
You're kidding

>turning off your brain
No you utter imbecile, it's the opposite of turning off your brain. What it means is to consider the outcome of literally every decision you could possibly make. Determinism is smoothbrain cope

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>>16812171
exactly. Produce your consciousness, and I will pacify it for you.

>> No.16812385

>>16812375
Bold of you to think that.

Pacify that part of my mind which believes reality to be controlled opposition on all levels, physical and mental and emotional and metaphysical. Go on

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https://www.confero.ep.liu.se/issues/2016/v4/i1/160111/confero16v4i1_160111.pdf

>> No.16812403

implying decisions are made by the mind and not the body. google it. body is master, mind is slave.

>> No.16812408

>>16812352
So you do believe some kind of intelligence made life this way for a reason then?
>No you utter imbecile, it's the opposite of turning off your brain. What it means is to consider the outcome of literally every decision you could possibly make. Determinism is smoothbrain cope
What you literally said
>Go through your week sincerely pretending to believe in free will, that you have real choice and agency which you yourself must decide upon. And see what happens
Sorry, bro but pretending to believe in things to make myself feel good is just not my style.

>> No.16812414

>>16812403
b&r

>> No.16812418

>>16812408
No nigga you're supposed to pretend to believe in it TO SEE WHAT THE FUCK POPS OUT not because muh feefees you absolute mongoloid

>some kind of intelligence made life
Yes. Makes it and unmakes it continuously

>> No.16812424

you are the same tedious douchebag egohead in every thread. I'm catching on to your desperate need to be right.

>> No.16812428

Hilarious

>> No.16812446

>>16812414
not familiar with this abbreviation

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>>16812418
>No nigga you're supposed to pretend to believe in it TO SEE WHAT THE FUCK POPS OUT not because muh feefees you absolute mongoloid
Wow, this is some galaxybrain dialectic here.

>> No.16812450

the /his/ thread telling you to go to /lit/ is still better than this shit thread

>> No.16812455

Have you read Plato?

When reading him, keep in mind that he literally saw higher metaphysical realities personally and is trying to teach you how to see them too

>> No.16812456

>>16812448
>why no, I do not feel any need to test out anything for myself because I feel content in my absurdism
You do you bro. Sorry for trying

>> No.16812471

>>16812456
Who said I'm an absurdist?

>> No.16812472

>>16812471
Are you not OP? My apologies then

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>>16812455
This
There's a reason he's pointing up

>> No.16813291

>>16812001
don't go to church. it is a corruption of the gospels

>> No.16813752

>>16811998
>4chan does not have a philosophy board, this is the closest place that this my be accepted?

From the sticky.
>Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

>> No.16813812

>>16812015
hey Keith

>> No.16813943

>>16813812
hello yes i am Keith and i am massive fag