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This is the most important political thinker of your generation. Say something nice about him

>> No.16767051

>>16767044
No he isn't I am you're just a boring moron

>> No.16767072

his ideas are the most important of the 21st century philosophy, he is deeply respected by his fellow published intelectuals, doesn't make weird metaphors like the rest, and his mannerisms are classy, as if taken from a 19th century vitorian noble family

>> No.16767088

>>16767044
Sorry but that title belongs to Joe Rogan

>> No.16767092

>>16767044
He is less irritating than Neill Degrasse Tyson.

>> No.16767095

>>16767044
Zhish ish zhe mosht impurtaant poleetickle dinker off yewuar genarayshun. Shay shomezink nishe abaut chim.

>> No.16767097

our generation is fucked isn't it

>> No.16767105

>>16767095
SNIFF
>>16767097
More so than you would be led to believe.

>> No.16767120

>>16767097
astute observation, anon

>> No.16767158

>>16767044
No he isn't, literally brainlet

>> No.16767307

>>16767158
>t. hasn't read him but still has strong opinions on him.

>> No.16767398

>>16767044
Him and Sloterdijk

>> No.16767430

>>16767044
no substantive refutations itt, only confirms op's statement.
>b-but his mannerisms are funny! and he uses pop culture references!!!! how can you take him seriously!!! I'm losing my mind AAAAA

>> No.16767470

>>16767430
what's his thesis?

>> No.16767489
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16767489

>>16767470
>pleaaase reduce his complex philosophy to one simple thesis so my anglo brainlet head can comprehend something for once
how about no

>> No.16767499

He was the most important during the Occupy years. Now the kids are all about acceleration because it fits with the aesthetics of the times.
In ten years, something new will pop up and I hope it will be about the increasing obsolescence of wage labor. Postone and the Wertkritik school badly need to be rediscovered.

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16767529

>>16767499
>the future is endlessly rediscovering CIA-funded Cold War propaganda

>> No.16767544

That isn't Negri/Agamben

>> No.16767550

>>16767489
so you lack the IQ required to simplify the "complex philosophy" then, understood

>> No.16767567

>>16767550
"Substantive refutation" is continental for fart-sniffery

>> No.16767590

>>16767499
>Postone and the Wertkritik school
A quick rundown for someone who understands Marx at the average (/lit/) anon's level?

>> No.16767628

You are your philosophy
I don't think I really want to be led by a rabid, cocaine addicted trash raccoon

>> No.16767756

>>16767529
>nerds reinterpreting Marx in the 90s after reading the Grundrisse is a CIA Cold-War psyop
Yeah, sure, the science of Marxism-Leninism is eternal, a vanguard party will seize power anytime soon, let's hope "revisionists" won't fuck it up once again this time.

>>16767590
Postone postulates that Marx wasn't only critiquing capitalism from standpoint of labor/workers as many traditional Marxists believe, i.e. capitalism bad because it doesn't redistribute wealth fairly, but was fundamentally critiquing the form labor has taken under capitalism.

When you think about it, the Soviets did change the mode of distribution of wealth, by replacing private property with state property and markets with central planning, but they didn't change the mode of production, since workers had to toil most of the week, they were still paid wages just like under capitalism and so on.
Even Stalin said it himself in other words: the "law of value" was operating in the USSR.

Postone thinks a true post-capitalist future entails a very different mode of production, one where surplus isn't produced mainly by human labor. He doesn't say it, but as Krisis points out in their Manifesto Against Labour, computers and automation make this a real possibility.

They have also plenty of other ideas beyond that: they think workers aren't truly the revolutionary subject, but that the dynamics of capital itself is (which is very similar to Nick Land), they think Marx wasn't necessarily a productivist, Postone has big-brained takes on time that I haven't read yet, etc.

If you are interested, I would recommend this blogpost on Postone -- https://theleftwind.wordpress.com/2018/12/08/the-tyranny-of-time-moishe-postones-immanent-critique/ -- and the Manifesto Against Labour by Krisis, even though it has some cringe woke moments -- https://www.krisis.org/1999/manifesto-against-labour/
Postone is tedious to read, but he actualized Marx in a pretty significant way I think. Too bad internet leftists don't want to question their assumptions and continue to fall for the Leninist meme because it has edgy aesthetics.

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16767786

>>16767756
That was much more than I expected to get, thank you

>> No.16767804

>>16767489
>ask for refutation
>refuses to produce claim
you're not well

>> No.16767925

>>16767786
No problem, anon. I forgot to add there are also a lot of short texts by Robert Kurz available on libcom, who was a central figure of Krisis/Wertkritik.

>> No.16767934

>>16767088
based

>> No.16768206

>>16767470
back to hegel

>> No.16768225

That's not Jordan Peterson.

>> No.16768277

>>16767044
>the most important political thinker of your generation
isn't that John Rawls?

>> No.16768749

>>16767756
Good effortpost anon

>> No.16768939
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16768939

I like his book but every time but it never sparks any buzz when I make threads about it. Year of trying and all failures.

>> No.16769339

>>16768939
>>16767044
So how do I get into Zizek?
Should I?

>> No.16769364

>>16767044
Zizek is to old to be a part of my generation.

>> No.16769382

>>16768277
criminally based

>> No.16769404

>>16767804
>>16767550
See Hegel's Phenomenology Of Spirit §1-2

>> No.16769486

>>16767044
he's a pseud to anyone that's well read

>> No.16769491

>>16767097
kek, very much so

>> No.16769493

>>16767044
He doesn't have any original thoughts though, he's just a decently well-read shitposter

>> No.16769496

can someone give me a quick rundown of his intellectual contributions to the world?

>> No.16769498

>>16767088
This truth makes me oof

>> No.16770351

>>16767756

Based post, thanks for the links anon

>> No.16770369

>>16767072
>he is deeply respected by his fellow published intelectuals
Academia is beyond redemption, making this appeal to clown-authority firmly places you in midwit territory.

>> No.16770754

>>16767072
What ideas lol

>> No.16770759

>>16769496

>> No.16770768
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>>16767097

>> No.16770782

>>16767088
Based

>> No.16770830

>>16767756
Work in itself is a virtue and should not be abandoned. We need to mature enough as a species to realize just outsourcing everything to technology not only isn't good, it could be even dangerous.

>> No.16770855

>>16767044
he's just a decent hot takes guy. as a thinker he's way too deluded by phenomenalistic nonsense

>> No.16770894

>>16767044
Does he have a medical condition or is he actually always on cocaine?

>> No.16771133

>>16770830
Work is not the same thing as wage-labor.

I personally have absolutely no problem working for free on something I deem useful, helping a friend to build a mezzanine for his kids, maintaining a website for a local non-profit organization, and so on.

On the other hand, I absolutely hate being a wage-slave, programming unmaintainable piles of shit as fast as possible for a company because all the shareholders care about are the quarterly earnings. There is no time to refactor the code because profits have to be made at every possible minute.
I don't even have the worst of it, just think about all the cashiers who are doing the same motion repetitively 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. Do you really think scanning bar-codes all day is a virtue? Moreover, these jobs are becoming increasingly obsolete with self-checkout machines. All that will remain in supermarkets at some point in the future will be autonomous machines doing the actual work and security agents. What a glorious future.

We don't live in the Middle Ages anymore, we don't own our plot of land, have to build and cultivate our own means of subsistence ourselves and pay a tax in wheat to the aristocracy. We are being cucked on a grand scale for shitty wages, doing repetitive mindless activities to bring on more profits to overlords. This is not virtuous.

I don't want to outsource everything to technology and live like an atomized bugman, I want to do away with needless toil as much as possible and enjoy life with my friends. That's it, and I think Postone's point about the current mode of production is very important on that front.

>We need to mature enough as a species to realize just outsourcing everything to technology not only isn't good, it could be even dangerous.
Nick Land and his legion of fanboys disagree with you. We have already outsourced too many things to technology already anyway. What do you want? Farmers eschewing tractors in favor of sickles? Have you ever worked at an agricultural job? Do you really like toiling that much?

>> No.16771347

>>16767044
That not David Graeber. What’re you tryna pull?

>> No.16771465

>>16767756
>the science of Marxism-Leninism is eternal
this reminds me of lojban in the conlanging world. i've heard them talk about the science of lojban but i'm not sure what it means.

>> No.16771487

>>16771133
i broke my mother's electric lawnmower somehow (im gonna try to fix it rn). it doesn't fair well with anything but the shortest grass. i was unironically thinking a scythe would work better and be comfier.

>> No.16771681

>>16771487
This kind of work is based and wholesome, but harvesting acres of grains with a sickle everyday for a living paid jackshit would fucking suck. Imagine if you would spend a third of your adult life on Earth doing this in 2020.

>> No.16771697

>>16767088
Based and redpilled

>> No.16771717

>>16771681
Yea look how miserable this guy is
https://youtu.be/VVn1kiZnldQ

>> No.16771829

>>16771717
I take it that you've never worked at an actual agricultural job. You don't have time to film silly Youtube videos, you need to be productive at all times and reap the harvest as fast as you can for your boss. At the end of the day, you are paid minimum wage.
Good news: the boss won't bother with scythes anymore because tractors are much more productive.

>> No.16771921

>>16771347
That's not Guillaume Faye. What're you tryna pull?

>> No.16771953

>>16767088
Based and dubsconfirm pilled

>> No.16771963

ctrl-f plagiarism
>0 results found
How did he get away with it?

>> No.16771968

>>16771921
>one of the main theoreticians of the Nouvelle Droite during the 70s-80s
>take a break and host a show on Skyrock, one of the dumbest radio stations aimed at juveniles
>come back into politics one decade later and help giving birth to the French identitarian movement
Nani la baise???

>> No.16772239

>>16771963
What did he plagiarize?

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16772246

>>16771921
>identitarianism

>> No.16772260

>>16772239
https://dailystormer.su/steve-sailer-has-sent-marxist-pervert-slavoj-zizek-to-his-doom/

>> No.16772378

>>16771829
It wasn't like that in the Middle Ages though :(

>> No.16772395

>>16772260
dude wtf is this website a caricature. it looks like what the CIA thinks pol likes lol.

>> No.16772435

>>16769339
>>16768939
>So how do I get into Zizek?
Seconded. Does he have like oneeee book I can start with? What is babby's first Zizek? Don't say the Greeks.

>> No.16772500

>>16767489
>pretends to be le intelligent and well read man
>resorts to literal monkey tier nationalist arguments of "u r Anglo so u dumb"
Nigga I'm from fucking Argentina and I don't know shit about this guy either, he is not mainstream

>> No.16772504

>>16772246
Why is it bad to want the country you love to stay the same? Would you want Japan to just become an Americanized white country and lose all of it's culture that makes it unique?

>> No.16772520

>>16770830
Work is virtuos, but not all work is "working for an advertising agency so I can get a salary and pay rent"
Wouldn't it be fantastic if all the Artists of the world could devout themselves to their craft fully? If people could work on their hobbies to perfect them, without having to sacrifice precious time just to work in banal jobs?

Yes, people should work, they should get up early in the morning and be active. But not all work is the same.

>> No.16772557

>>16767044
Has really good coke. In literal reality.

>> No.16772567

>>16772504
There is no such thing as staying the same. All the world is in flux

>> No.16772583

>>16772567
Japan's has held it's culture. Lot's of countries have held their culture in place and you want to do the equivalent of letting the country get filled up with Walmarts and Mcdonalds

>> No.16772726

can someone give me a quick rundown of his intellectual contributions to the world?

>> No.16772749

>>16772726
He has published many books that comment on the work of others and tours the world giving lectures of pop philosophy/psychology interspersed with dirty jokes

>> No.16772901

>>16772567
The famous butterfly don't reply when confronted

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16772987

>>16772583
butter is right, nigger

>> No.16772998

>>16772987
Does that look American to you?

>> No.16773017

>>16772998
>ads everywhere
yes
>japanese held their culture.

>> No.16773028

>>16773017
Blame capitalism for that but nice job thinking that one tourist trap in a city means the entire culture is like that. Big brain stuff there

>> No.16773053

>>16767044
how many gallons of whiskey has he drunk in the past week?

>> No.16773128

>>16773028
I’m not against holding onto cultural relics, maintaining traditions. Hell, I’m against what the liberals are doing to European social-democracy, but all is in flux. The one constant of the universe is change. Japan is famous for closing its shores to outsiders in the past. It assimilated its different ethnicities pretty thoroughly, but since the reopening it has taken on more and more western forms, especially after the war. The influence has been transformed in a uniquely Japanese way, but it’s not traditional at all. And it won’t ever go away. They’re stuck down this path.

>> No.16773156

>>16773128
There is no evidence for your claim that there has to be change. Especially change towards something specific. Pick any small town in Japan and it's a culture that's unique and unlike anywhere in the world. The country is 98% Japanese. There is no reason this should change unless the demographics were to change. If it became 40% Hispanic or 40% White American you would see a vastly different society to the one it has now. That's not debatable. The question is should Japan just let their demographics change and ruin the culture. I don't see why it's bad for them to say we want to stay as we are.

>> No.16773201

>>16773128
The phenomenon of the salaryman is basically the modern implementation of bushido theory. The masochistic self destruction, the emphasis on willpower and work ethic, the absolutist dedication and loyalty, etc. The means through which we reach cultural principles change with the circumstance, those principles themselves do not often change.

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16773924

I look forward to skimming a copy from Libgen

>> No.16774453

based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Maex3jW0Yw8

>> No.16774650

>>16773156
>Post 11/12/20(Thu)23:53:38 No.16773128
>Followed by post 11/13/20(Fri)00:02:40 No.16773156
Ev-er-y
Thing
Chang-es

>> No.16775209

>>16767044
I enjoy hearing him bullshit about movies he enjoys and when I was a teenager Pervert's Guide to Cinema helped me figure out that film could be engaged with on a 'deeper' level.