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[Anonymous No.16763349]

This is really bad literature. What makes it world literature? Enlighten me lit

[Anonymous No.16763360]

>>16763349
>uhhh hey bro, you got a bug on you

[Anonymous No.16763361]

Made in the world wasn't it?

[Anonymous No.16763370]

It's a fun read

[Anonymous No.16763373]

>>16763349
They made an anime of it (Beelzebub) then it became a middle school classic.

[Anonymous No.16763376]

>>16763349
It's a kid's novel I believe that is pro-liberalism. It's exactly what it is, that literature isn't expanded or defined well is hardly a case against the book.

[Anonymous No.16763432]

>>16763349
Fuck that book

[Anonymous No.16763507]

>>16763376
Yes it's shit

[Anonymous No.16763544]

Lol they killed that fat kid

[Anonymous No.16763549]

>>16763349
I enjoyed it, but I read it in highschool

[Anonymous No.16764240]

>>16763349
I enjoyed it, you'd have to be pretty dense to get filtered by it.
>>16763376
How is it pro-liberalism?

[Anonymous No.16764442]

>>16763376
>I believe that is pro-liberalism

Fucking ignorant /pol/tards

[Anonymous No.16764504]

>>16764240
>>16764442
It's anti the captain when he comes. He has no answer or response and leaves it to "boys will be boys". It labels the mob behavior as cult, or state, esque and places it against the individuals in the story. It even tries to justify the boy's behavior by his dialogue of assertion w the captain.

[Anonymous No.16764778]

>>16764504
Please rephrase this, with intelligible syntax this time. It's been sometime since I read it but the guy who comes at the end is pretty busy with the war he's fighting so he's not really into much more than rescuing the kids.

[Anonymous No.16764854]

>>16764778
Which is a lack of authority over the ethical issue which is the entire point of the novel. They're stranded and try to appeal to anglo standards initially which fall apart.

[Anonymous No.16764863]

>>16764504
>It even tries to justify the boy's behavior

Stupid.

[Anonymous No.16764880]

>>16764854
the alternative being?

[Anonymous No.16764883]

>>16764863
The boy takes assertion that he's the leader at the end in adherence to anglo hierarchical custom despite it not being true.

[Anonymous No.16764892]

>>16764880
Alternative what? Ethics? It just criticizes statism and deifies the individual

[Anonymous No.16764923]

>>16764883
its rationalization not justification

[Anonymous No.16764928]

>>16764923
I don't see the difference in this situation. Even asserting them different, the foundation does not differ

[Anonymous No.16764979]

>>16764854
>Anglo standards
I much prefer Han dynasty aristocratic standards myself, and I'm Anglo! (thanks for the educative remarks about my standards, boss) Here's my true love Sei Shonagon from under the rubric
>Hateful Things
If I am travelling in someone's carriage and I hear it creaking, I dislike not only the noise but also the owner of the carriage
>and another
A person who recites a spell himself after sneezing. In fact I detest anyone who sneezes, except the master of the house
*Is there a better book, or are there better standards anywhere, or have there been better standards anywhere on this planet ever since these went out of explicit fashion a thousand years ago in Imperial Japan? No. Sei is why I'll never marry

[Anonymous No.16764992]

>>16764979
Are you saying you want to debate w that as a possible substitution of Anglo standards as a means to make the book compatible with realistic ethics?

[Anonymous No.16765032]

>>16764992
What I recollect of Golding's book is that a group of stranded boys go tribal except Piggy whose insistence upon remaining civilized gets him killed. Then the Royal Navy shows up. ..I'm all for civilized living, m8-- so I guess I'm pro Piggy (poor chap). If my post reveals nothing else, it does reveal that.

[Anonymous No.16765037]

>>16765032
Makes sense me too

[Anonymous No.16765704]

How the fuck are you all taking universal stances about state/individual when those are kids having their well organized, teeth-brushed hair-combed world thrown into a contingency? Piggy/Ralph couldnt even laugh pé dance with the other kids due to deep longing. But they couldnt even cry with the little ones either. What you agree with is basically a broad "thou shall not kill" with a finger pointed to the savages (Jack), missing the whole tension of an adultcentric child-world in its remakings.

[Anonymous No.16765725]

>>16764778
If anything it's Hobbesian, not liberalism. And that's still a stretch linking it to any political ideology in the first place.

[Anonymous No.16765749]

>>16765725
Right, that was my personal take as well but it has been a while.

[Anonymous No.16765831]

>>16765725
One of the effects of internet meme bathing is that some posters are literally incapable of reading anything, even a book aimed at children, other than as a contribution on one side or another of the pissy and moronic culture war dialogue that dominates their lives. They're like Marxists who insist that no, EVERYTHING, is about class

[Anonymous No.16765867]

>>16765725
>>16765831
>>16765749
I mean you could just read the wiki and not be wrong

[Anonymous No.16765886]

>>16765867
>Using Wikipedia
>Not just interpreting a book that takes an afternoon to read
Supremely filtered.

[Anonymous No.16765915]

>>16765886
I'm kinda quoting Harold Bloom apparently. I thought the themes were obv

[Anonymous No.16765930]

>>16765915
>Harold Bloom

[Anonymous No.16765934]

>>16765930
Well if I'm filtered w Bloom and the author then I find myself in good company

[Anonymous No.16766013]

>>16765725
You can read Hobbes through Golding's lenses. It straight up show the <impossibility> of the passion of fear installing civilization because of the inevitability of reason's intervention on the security of the individual's life. Golding seemingly reenacts the anthropological-myth of hobbes using <reason> prototypes: children. The language of fear is one of the motifs of the reasoning kids (Ralph/Piggy).

Hobbes couldn't hear the warcry of the child-savage through Ralph/Piggy seashell because Hobbes is an adult and like Ralph/Piggy are proto-hobbesian adult wannabes.

It's not that Golding's book is hobbesian literature. Hobbes is the ubiquity of the seashell's sound .

[Anonymous No.16766037]

>>16765934
>implying you like Harold Bloom for any reason other than a bunch of other filtered losers boosted him on /lit/
Jesus, read a book.

[Anonymous No.16766052]

>>16766013
What is most interesting is that Golding potentializes what is latent in Hobbes's text the Leviathan's project, that is, repressed fear, male kids incapacity of crying - reason sustains passion's excess - and management of inherently violent beings as the states function.

The adult turns its back to the kids, who are child's-playing the adult world: sea-shell's shaky management of warcrys. Ofc Ralph/Piggy fail, history is a flux of blood over a skull of stairs. That's a rule not an exception, and the officer is a live symbol of it.

[Anonymous No.16766491]

>>16763361
based and Welt-pilled

[Anonymous No.16766523]

>>16763349
>entertaining
>raises some interesting questions
>memorable and influental scenes and themes

I dont see why not

[Anonymous No.16766639]

>>16766052
Lmfao