/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16758109]

Do you like Mark Fisher?

[Anonymous No.16758124]

Never read him. See no reason to do so.

[Anonymous No.16758189]

>>16758124
/thread

[Anonymous No.16758294]

I'm 36, he's great for people who have some memories of the late 80s and early 90s (or older) - his work is a eulogy to the cultural possibilities of the post-war settlement. It's a shame that he has nothing to say to Zoomers at all, his work is limited to a cultural critique of neoliberalism- if that is all you know then I'm not sure it will mean much to you. I do wish he tackled Hauntology better, I really do not think, at bottom, that he does not understand the concept and his misunderstanding is now popularised, it seems I read a mangled and vague allusion to Hauntology most weeks now, so tiresome.

[Anonymous No.16758454]

>>16758109
yes

buying K-Punk while drunk was the best decision i made last year. asking my ex out was the worst

[Anonymous No.16758510]

>>16758294
>he does not understand the concept and his misunderstanding is now popularised
Would be interested in reading your understanding of hauntology.

[Anonymous No.16758549]

yes

[Anonymous No.16758592]

I like his work. I don't think he says anything really new though. Leftist theory seems in the same slump fisher describes politically/culturally. I guess he himself recognizes this.

[Anonymous No.16758721]

>>16758294
I don't think he misused derrida's term, but rather interpreted it in a different context. Iirc he said that in ghosts of my life.

[Anonymous No.16758809]

I do like him but reading ghosts of my life was almost redundant. It had some very interesting takes and observations but I think he should've combined this book and capitalist realism together. I read CR first and when I read ghosts later on I felt like he's hardly telling me anything new.
Also he wrote too much about british pop culture than I really cared for.

[Anonymous No.16758834]

i haven't read him, just some extracts and i got exactly zero from them, started reading Vampire Castle and it felt like i was reading nothing, like words come in but nothing was happening there

[Anonymous No.16758954]

>>16758721
This is what I meant, thank you, anon. My own view is that it's his own personal and elaborated account of cultural lack.

>>16758510
Put simply, Derrida is talking about the unmarked - absent or hidden events and phenomena that are sort of ghost-signifers that interact with suffering and angst. This happens on a collective and personal level. They're unavoidable in individualised and ostensibly choice-directed identities - "I am (we are) *this*" is the wanted part of that identity - its shadow side "I am (we are) *not this*" nonetheless has a background reality and will always be threaded (in a ghostly fashion) into suffering.

[Anonymous No.16758956]

>>16758109
I like Capitalism Realism a lot

[Anonymous No.16758958]

>>16758109
nigga, that's Norm McDonald founder of McDonalds, you high?

[Anonymous No.16758985]

K-Punk is essential reading, completely and utterly btfo midwits who think that fart-sniffers like Nabakov are good writers.

[Anonymous No.16759025]

>>16758124
Fpbp
accfag recs are worse than butterfag recs

[Anonymous No.16759265]

>>16758549
i also like mark fisher

>>16758294
ur gay

>>16758834
sounds like ur a dumdum

[Anonymous No.16759279]

>>16759265
what did the vampire castle mean?

[Anonymous No.16759302]

Coil are pretty cool, OP

[Anonymous No.16759311]

>>16759302
kek

[Anonymous No.16759324]

>>16759302
Mark Fisher probably liked Coil desu.

[Anonymous No.16759325]

>>16758109
Is it true he killed himself because trannies were bullying him?

[Anonymous No.16759335]

>>16759325
No, he was completely and utterly disillusioned with life. He had a Debord moment and realised life would just get worse and worse, there will never be another moment of high art, never be anything worth fighting for. Years as a precariat academic utilising his creative energies to make money was also a big part of this.

[Anonymous No.16759339]

>>16759335
The trannies were just one part that convinced him the left was completely taken over by these freaks, it had been like that for decades but it takes a lot to accept that the left is irredeemably fucked.

[Anonymous No.16759340]

>>16758109
I read part of Capitalist Realism and thought it was hypocritical trash.

[Anonymous No.16759343]

>>16759340
Hypocritical?

[Anonymous No.16759361]

>>16759343
To make that many references to popular art created in capitalist countries while simultaneously regarding capitalism as an imminent problem seems hypocritical to me.

[Anonymous No.16759387]

>>16759325
>>16759335
>>16759339
I don't think it was ever made clear why he did it, but I guess he had really low confidence. when did he ever say anything about trannies though? are you talking about twitter liberals?

[Anonymous No.16759393]

>>16759361
You seriously need to read it again. Mark Fisher's whole point is that the popular art of the 60s, 70s and (to a lesser extent) the 80s and 90s, was so interesting and creative because it was caused by the introduction of a new class of people created by Social Democracy (a group Simon Reynolds called the liminal class) and is an example of what collective measures can produce artistically. He traces a sharp drop in creativity and increase in uniformity with the emergence of neoliberalism, where Social Democracy is gutted and free time is massively reduced.

I have, of course, seriously simplified his point. I'd recommend dipping into his K-Punk blog (just search K-Punk on google). He is primarily interested in art and his critiques of Capitalism are largely filtered through that perspective.

[Anonymous No.16759405]

>>16759387
The Vampire Castle cleary touches upon toxic idpol twitter culture. On one of the online pages that contains the essay, the comments are pretty bad, and really shows how sick these people are.

[Anonymous No.16759411]

>>16759387
Didn't know he had a son :(

[Anonymous No.16759418]

>>16759387
wew, sad that the guy died and left his family, but imagine getting a "hunger games" quote on your facebook epitaph...

[Anonymous No.16759420]

>>16759393
holy cringe.
stop reading pseuds

[Anonymous No.16759429]

>>16759393
>Mark Fisher's whole point is that the popular art of the 60s, 70s and (to a lesser extent) the 80s and 90s, was so interesting and creative
was it?

[Anonymous No.16759437]

>>16759420
ok bro
>>16759429
Does capitalist realism not touch on that? I did read it about 5 years ago, so maybe I have his argument mixed with those made in his K-Punk blog

[Anonymous No.16759445]

>>16759418
he actually quoted that book in one of his lectures because he thought that the very idea of hunger games is reminiscent of the postmodern condition for young people

[Anonymous No.16759454]

>>16759418
Women are gonna women anon.

[Anonymous No.16759460]

>>16759445
isn't hunger games just battle royale for zoomers?

[Anonymous No.16759465]

>>16759393
>Social Democracy
The US isn't the only country to have adopted this and yet other countries did not produce the same amount of art in those decades. It seems like a flawed analysis to ignore the importance of the capitalist preconditions in the country in relation to the country's artistic output.

[Anonymous No.16759471]

>>16759460
Yes, but Mark Fisher liked to use references he knew most people would get. I think he was desperate to knock people out of their anhedonic haze, if he could get them thinking deeper about the shit they consumed, maybe it would have a knock-on effect. I don't agree with him, but it was a valiant effort I suppose.

[Anonymous No.16759480]

>>16759393
>>16759465
wasn't it just a cultural imperialist machine pumped full of money?

[Anonymous No.16759496]

>>16759465
Which is why I focused upon Social Democracy introducing the liminal class into culture, he of course would recognise the long history of influence produced by works in another economic situation, but some compartmentalisation is necessary.

[Anonymous No.16759568]

Only read The weird and the eerie, was pretty entertaining. I should read Capitalist realism at some point.

[Anonymous No.16759597]

>>16759025
>accfag makes every thread

[Anonymous No.16759695]

Terrible writer and a boring person. Met him a couple of times IRL. Really not than interesting a guy, elevated by suicide and general left mediocraty.

[Anonymous No.16761295]

>>16759335
bit self absorbed though, surely he could have acknowledged the dire state of things but kept going for his wife and son's sake

[Anonymous No.16761318]

Ya, been reading K punk recently. Pretty sad this is all there's ever gonna be.

[Anonymous No.16761378]

hes the quintessential 'music journalist'. things seem dead because its easier to be a spurgy fantano or an e celeb dj, but no theres lots of new good music just gotta look

[Anonymous No.16761545]

>>16758809
Yeah, I just started reading Ghosts of My Life and found it interesting up until I hit the chapter about Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. Haven't read further, but I can tell the rest of my investment will lie solely on if I care about/have interacted with whatever piece of pop culture he's talking about

[Anonymous No.16761626]

>>16759568
Capitalist Realism is only like 80 pages you can knock it out in one sitting

[Anonymous No.16761845]

>>16761545
>the rest of my investment will lie solely on if I care about/have interacted with whatever piece of pop culture he's talking about
that was the case for me as well, although I probably only skipped 3 chapters

[Anonymous No.16762098]

>>16758109
He's a failed academic with basic, boring contributions to "theory". He is overrated, and idolized just because he offed himself. If he was alive, he'd be literally who

[Anonymous No.16762292]

>>16758454
sounds like a shitty year anon