/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16740162]

>be born in 84
>actual expert (in some cases to a professional level) on many things that became popular in the 90s and 00s
>state educated opinions
>constantly informed by people born in the 90s and 00s that I don't know what I'm talking about, am lying, or remembering stuff wrong
>the other day zoomer friend found an article from 2001 that suggested at least 5 different profoundly unpopular opinions I held were closer to the truth than the memes that get circulated here, reddit, and social media
>friend has recently began calling me The Giver

Seriously, any books with this subject matter besides The Giver? I find the subject of revisionism fascinating, especially as it seems to become more prevalent and extreme while simultaneously being ignored/accepted by civilization.

[Anonymous No.16740173]

>>16740162
>5 different profoundly unpopular opinions
Name them, and I'll give you an answer.

[Anonymous No.16740182]

>>16740162
Where's the article?

[Anonymous No.16740183]

>>16740173
It was trivial shit unrelated to literature. I'm trying not to get this thread deleted as I'm seriously wondering if there are books that cover this.

[Anonymous No.16740186]

>>16740162
The Lathe of Heaven by Ursula K LeGuin is about a dude whose dreams change reality, not exactly the same but it has a similar flavor and it's an easy and enjoyable read, only like 180 pages.

[Anonymous No.16740198]

>>16740162
Tkam is my first thought

[Anonymous No.16740199]

>>16740173
>>16740183
Ok fine I'll give you one. Monica Lewinsky's dress wasn't real.

[Anonymous No.16740215]

>>16740162

[Anonymous No.16740224]

>>16740186
Love me some LeGuin. I'll check it out for sure. Thanks anon.

>>16740198
I've actually avoided reading that as my mom was a career English teacher with an extremely pedestrian taste in novels and she couldn't ever shut the hell up about it. I guess I'll give it a shot some day. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.16740226]

>>16740199
Okay, The Phenomenology of Spirit

[Anonymous No.16740262]

>>16740226
That was just some anon pretending to be me (OP) but thanks anyways. The stuff in the article was related to an expert's perspective on the accessibility and originality of arguably one of the most influential pieces of entertainment of the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.16740275]

>>16740162
I started noticing this at about your age. Obviously your opinions were political, and revisionism is most pronounced in that sphere. When it's a complete, on-the-fly rewriting of history I prefer the term "occlusion." William Burroughs wrote a short story about murdering a detective and then finding out the man had been erased from history

>he had been occluded like an eel's asshole on his migration across the Atlantic

One of the big ones for me was when "poltically correct" made a comeback around 2015. No one seemed to remember how fucking prevalent the term was in the 90s, and how you were supposed to unironically conform to its expectations, as if PC was a public virtue to partake in. I lived in D.C. at the time and it was utterly oppressive. It made getting laid more difficult, because that's when harassment-panic was codifying the war between the sexes.

Also, the Clarence Thomas SCOTUS hearings permanently changed the pronunciation of "harassment". It used to be hah-RASS-ment. Overnight it became HAIR-ass-ment because Anita Hill kept pronouncing it that way. No one remembers this.

Now that you've brought it up I too would like to hear some of your examples of historical occlusions. Don't be a pussy.

[Anonymous No.16740288]

Actually no it's more like HAIR-ess-mint

[Anonymous No.16740327]

>>16740275
see >>16740262
It's really juvenile shit in terms of cultural impact but is a huge source of financial and social currency these days. It's interesting, at least for me and my friends because we've seen so many people try to argue with me. If I were to be incredibly reductive it goes like this
>born in a position of privilege and tested "genius" IQ so I got to experience a lot and remember quite a bit
>early adopter that remembers what was commonly and uncommonly known fact about niche that turned into global phenomena
>over time the commonly known facts are distorted sometimes to the point of full erasure and the uncommonly known facts are regarded as insanity or pure bullshit
I guess the more interesting part is the degree to which people lose their shit emotionally when I bring these things up. And you are right, there is a political element inherent in their opinions but for me it's not about politics at all. Just trust me when I say it would derail the tread and likely get it ignored/deleted if I said specifically what. Also thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.16740352]

Okay here's the quote; from a Naked Lunch vignette:

>"In the cab I realized what had happened ... I had been occluded from space-time like an eel's ass occludes when he stops eating on the way to Sargasso".

Sorry for the poor recollection of the quote. It's been twenty years since I read it and I'm a heavy drinker. To me it perfectly captured the vertigo you get when everyone else seems to remember history differently. For William Lee it brought terror, but also relief, as he was no longer on the hook for shooting a policeman.

I wish I could go back in time and murder William Ginsburg.

[Anonymous No.16740381]

>>16740352
That's great. I'm definitely adding Naked Lunch now. Can't thank you enough.

[Anonymous No.16740518]

>>16740327
this happens because it's easier to fake a memory through repression than it is to experience the emotional pain of change. because the massiveness of the question "why is the world shitty and how can we fix it" is so huge most either focus on their consumption microclimate or deny that the past was better outright. blaming the past for not being the future is also the strategy of an ascending ruling class, e.g. the "dark ages" myth

[Anonymous No.16741070]

>>16740518
>blaming the past for not being the future is also the strategy of an ascending ruling class, e.g. the "dark ages" myth
where can I read about this?

[Anonymous No.16741207]

>>16741070
hmmm off the top of my head no idea, perhaps chesterton or belloc

[Anonymous No.16743178]

>>16740162
Damn nigga, sounds like you got hit hard by the Mandela effect. Remember, the timeline shifted at least twice these past 10 years.

[Anonymous No.16743253]

>>16740162
>>actual expert (in some cases to a professional level) on many things that became popular in the 90s and 00s
literally no one cares.

[Anonymous No.16743552]

>>16743253
I'm sorry my post triggered you mr revisionist.

[Anonymous No.16743822]

>>16740162
Warlock by oackley hall have themes about how legends replace fact.

There was line in the man who shot liberty valence that fits one of the major themes in Warlock.
“This is the West, sir; when the legend becomes fact, print the legend.”

[Anonymous No.16743890]

>>16740162
Why don't you just provide evidence.

[Anonymous No.16743918]

>>16740186
I tried reading that book since that concept had sounded like it'd be really up my alley, but in actually reading it I found there was just so much baggage that Ursula K Le Guin had clearly been pouring into just every page of it that I just couldn't take it. My breaking point was the part around page 80 where she predicts that ending Apartheid would result in a South African white genocide.

... so, say, is that what her writing is like in general?

[Anonymous No.16743944]

>>16740275
>Also, the Clarence Thomas SCOTUS hearings permanently changed the pronunciation of "harassment". It used to be hah-RASS-ment. Overnight it became HAIR-ass-ment because Anita Hill kept pronouncing it that way. No one remembers this.

That's a regional thing you absolute mong. People in the northeast still say it the first way, and people in England have always said it the second way.

[Anonymous No.16744078]

>>16740162
Which do you prefer, disillusionment or the reverse process? The thematics are neither so specialized nor so localized as this thread makes them out to be btw: they are legion.

[Anonymous No.16744151]

>>16743253
i care heh