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Anonymous Sun Nov 8 09:31:57 2020 No.16736679 [Reply] [Original]

Is the Republic really Plato's most important dialogue? I recently read them all and while the Republic sure was the one that finally caught my attention and made me read the others, the later ones aswell as some of the earlier ones like Meno, Gorgias and Phaedo seemed a lot more important in hindsight. Maybe it's recency bias.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 09:32:37 2020 No.16736683 >>16736679 the most important is the symposium

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 09:33:18 2020 No.16736687 >>16736683 certainly the most poetic

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 09:34:56 2020 No.16736696 >>16736679 Probably, tied with the one where Socrates is about to die and talks about the soul.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 09:40:10 2020 No.16736714 >>16736679 Republic is the most important historically but it doesn't contain his most profound idea, it's not his best literary work, and it's not the best dialogue overall

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 09:50:37 2020 No.16736752 >>16736714 The first book is kino tho.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 10:12:04 2020 No.16736861 the laws is the most important, but nobody reads it

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 10:15:16 2020 No.16736882 File: 72 KB, 499x784, symposium.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16736683 This

Anonymous Sun Nov 8 10:22:16 2020 No.16736914

>>16736679
I’d say: Republic, Sophist and Parmenides being followed by Timaeus, Phaedrus and Phaedo.

>>16736714
It does contain his most profound ideas and evinces many details of his metaphysics. In the Republic Plato presents the Good, its place as supra-being, beyond Forms, the relation between the instances and their forms, the idea that recalls the late buddhist doctrine of Two Truths doctrine as a much more sophisticated demonstration.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 10:23:57 2020 No.16736923 they're all dogshit

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 10:26:51 2020 No.16736938 File: 80 KB, 398x700, nietzsche-uniform-1864.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16736687 >plato >poetic

Anonymous Sun Nov 8 10:44:43 2020 No.16737040

>>16736938
A few years ago, the first time I read Plato, all I could get from his dialogues right off was the dramatic and poetic aspects that operated the pieces. If you can't see the anagogic poetry in Symposium you are a senseless brute.
But your posting Nietzsche already explains a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 10:45:38 2020 No.16737049 >>16737040 What is it about Nietzsche that makes brainlets seethe so hard?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 10:47:29 2020 No.16737067 >>16736679 Republic is not as foundationally important as say those three you mentioned but in exposition, breadth and consequence Republic is important.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 10:48:35 2020 No.16737077 >>16736679 It's Parmenides, most basic ontology, fully considers all possibilities with regards to its question, actually valid arguments, it will still be relevants when we'll be walking on Mars in robot bodies or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 11:07:19 2020 No.16737196 >>16737049 >why do (people I don't like) seethe when I don't argue anything and shit the thread with someone who was wrong about the very topic of the thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 11:30:16 2020 No.16737342 >>16736938 I hope you don't read Nietzsche and Plato in translation. Nietzsche is a good poet and polemicist, Plato is a good poet and a good philosopher.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 11:32:02 2020 No.16737356 i dont read homosexual authors talk about twink camps, only the kabbalists 4 me

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 11:34:20 2020 No.16737368 What order to read Aristotle in? Is Categories -> Physics -> Metaphysics -> rest of organon -> de anima -> nicomachian ethics -> Politics a reasonable way?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 11:36:59 2020 No.16737392 >>16737368 Categories and the Organon -> Nicomachean Ethics -> Poetics (optional) -> Physics -> De Anima - > Metaphysics

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 13:25:40 2020 No.16738124 >>16736679 Yes it is because he exposes himself as a GIGAPSEUD in the very first book.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 14:03:30 2020 No.16738440 thaetatus statesman sophist are the GOAT plato works clitophon is a close second

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 14:12:47 2020 No.16738524 File: 252 KB, 640x480, The Republic.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16736679 Red piled by a dead dude

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 14:40:44 2020 No.16738717 So far I dont think Republic is very good, I will make a thread about it in a few days.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 15:09:52 2020 No.16738912 >>16738717 It's when he got into his own ideas and was confident so disregard him dropping the socratic method a bit as that's not meant to be as highlighted as his early dialogues. Just look for his metaphysics

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 15:13:45 2020 No.16738929 >>16738912 I still have hope that the book will be good. The political stuff is not that interesting to me and as you said his method is different, the arguments are less rigorous, but I am looking forward to the metaphysical parts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 15:15:39 2020 No.16738940 >>16736882 Wordsworth is really another level

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 15:31:52 2020 No.16739050 >>16737342 No i don't, did your mother do it or something?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 15:41:31 2020 No.16739106 >>16736679 Hippias Minor is my favorite.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 15:42:03 2020 No.16739109 desd

Anonymous Sun Nov 8 15:43:26 2020 No.16739118

Its good but its SHOULD NOT be the first dialogue that you read. I hate that its memed so hard, it should definitely be read AFTER you've read at least like six others.
In my opinion the best/most important of his dialogues are The Apology, the one where he's imprisoned and the one after his death.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 15:45:22 2020 No.16739123 >>16739118 You mean Crito? There is no dialogue set after his deatrh unless you mean the Laws.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 15:46:23 2020 No.16739128 File: 260 KB, 746x1033, plato.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16739118 you should read all of it in order actually

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 16:01:22 2020 No.16739205 >>16739106 Based Hippiasbro. The humour in those is off the charts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 16:05:32 2020 No.16739232 >>16738929 Yeah if you disagree w him dw just go to Aristotle

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 16:05:43 2020 No.16739233 Philebus, Phaedrus, Parmenides.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 16:09:06 2020 No.16739245 >>16737196 Nietzsche wasn't wrong unless you naively took something of his at surface level, but the zoomer you replied to did shit the thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 16:09:49 2020 No.16739253 >>16739233 Can you elaborate on Philebus? I'm all for "no point in pleasure if you can't realize you're having it" thing, but I disagree with most of what he says afterwards.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 17:14:23 2020 No.16739682 the sign of ignorant man is to point the republic the wise person chooses the laws

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 8 19:41:00 2020 No.16740586 >>16736679 Can a absolute brainlet like me understand and enjoy it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 00:44:46 2020 No.16742072 up

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 03:15:41 2020 No.16742635 >>16736679 I liked the cave idea.

Anonymous Mon Nov 9 03:21:00 2020 No.16742642

>>16739106
I awkwardly skipped the Hippias, Euthydemus and Menexagoras because I couldn't wait to read the Parmenides and after that it seemed a weird timing.
>>16739682
please tell me what's so good about the laws. It's always mentioned as either boring or underrated and in both cases noone ever explains the contents. Is it just a moral-political treatise?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 03:30:16 2020 No.16742661 >>16736861 Correct. In over 2000 years the Laws has still not gotten the attention it merits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 03:47:59 2020 No.16742722 My favourite work of Plato is Plato Abridged. He must've been really inspired went he wrote it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 03:55:45 2020 No.16742751 >>16736679 No. I think his earlier dialogues stay grounded with Socrates and are far better than the republic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 04:01:18 2020 No.16742770 >>16742722 My Plato going through a bridge rn

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 04:03:00 2020 No.16742779 >>16740586 Read the five dialogues first: Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Meno and Phaedo

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 04:03:37 2020 No.16742781 Why is Laws never mentioned? I've read a few works of Plato but not Laws yet, is it any good?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 04:03:53 2020 No.16742782 >>16736683 Symposium is one of the few I haven't read (along with Philebus,Phaedrus and Laws) because I'm a 27yr-old virgin and talk about love and intimacy trigger me into depressive moods that won't go away for weeks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 04:04:07 2020 No.16742783 >>16742661 Based, can you write a paragraph for my friend who thinks otherwise? I want to send him the opinion of a sage anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 04:25:52 2020 No.16742842 >>16739245 >IT WAS ACKCHULLY SOOOO DEEP

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 04:32:20 2020 No.16742858 File: 152 KB, 750x768, Plato.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Explain this

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 04:33:06 2020 No.16742861 >>16742858 plato was his nickname. It meant big chest

Anonymous Mon Nov 9 04:35:25 2020 No.16742869

>>16739682
>please tell me what's so good about the laws. It's always mentioned as either boring or underrated and in both cases noone ever explains the contents. Is it just a moral-political treatise?
Nobody has actually read it and we are just guessing what the correct opinion is. Some one of us should really read the whole damn thing and tell us what its about:
1. It's longer, and possibly a sequel to, the Republic.
2. No Socrates, so its perhaps the final one you should read
3. It's more grounded in reality than in platonic idealism than Republic
4. It's called "Laws", maybe we could adapt it as the hwyte man's law in opposition to the Torah?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 04:58:11 2020 No.16742961 >>16736679 The most important dialogues are Timaeus, Sophist, Parmenides, Laws, in this order.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 9 05:27:27 2020 No.16743028 >>16736923 What makes you make an astounding claim

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