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what's the essentials to begin with catholicism?
(except the holy bible lol)
preferences on rhetorical and philosophical works like St. Augustine

>> No.16726768

Hamlet, for obvious reasons.

>> No.16726782

>>16726755
Pornography is fueled by Catholic guilt
Ur welcome

>> No.16726785

>>16726755
Be a good Catholic and read your Chesterton.

>> No.16726902

>>16726755
The Holy Bible - King James Version

>> No.16726967

>>16726902
I read the Greek, sweety.

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>>16726755
How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization

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— «SUMA TEOLÓGICA» BY: SANTO TOMÁS DE AQUINO.

— «EL CASTILLO INTERIOR, O LAS MORADAS», BY: SANTA TERESA DE JESÚS.

— «CONCORDIA DEL LIBRE ARBITRIO CON LOS DONES DE LA GRACIA, Y CON LA PRESCIENCIA, PROVIDENCIA, PREDESTINACIÓN, Y REPROBACIÓN DIVINAS», BY: LUIS DE MOLINA.

— «DISPUTACIONES METAFÍSICAS», BY: FRANCISCO SUÁREZ DE TOLEDO.

— «EL LIBRO DE LOS DOS PRINCIPIOS» (NOT ORTHODOXICALLY CATHOLICAL, BUT IT SHOULD BE, SINCE IT WOULD OPTIMIZE CATHOLICAL THEOLOGY).

>> No.16727108

>>16726782
What?

>> No.16727109

>>16726782
>Catholic guilt
american invention

>> No.16727134

>>16727042
>>16727102

nice
thank you guys

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/jjnfkq/catholic_fiction_has_massively_strengthened_my/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

>> No.16727206

>>16726755
Safe bets for philosophy are Gregory the Great, Boethius, Aquinas, Duns Scotus, MacIntyre, Hösle, Anscombe, and von Balthasar. Plus Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI were extremely competent philosophers.

Try not to get too bogged down in debates about Thomism versus new theology; read the primaries and then go into secondary stuff based on what you like or feel like you don't understand.

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>>16727102

>> No.16727258

Ratzinger

>> No.16727271

By St Anselm:
Letter to Archbishop Lanfranc
Monologion
Proslogion
Pro insipiente
Reply to Gaunilo
De Grammatico
On Truth
On Free Will
On The Fall Of the devil
On the Incarnation of the Word
Why God Became Man
On The Virgin Conception and Original Sin
On the Procession Of the Holy Spirit
De Concordia

>> No.16727274

>>16727222
Kek'd and check'd

>> No.16727308
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>>16726755
For The Holy Bible try and go with RSV, Knox or Douay Rheims
I generally suggest looking into the Classics of Western Spirituality publisher after doing Proclus's Elements of Theology an ample amount of Edward Feser and Aquinas
Start here;
>Edward Feser - Introduction to Aquinas // The Last Superstition
>St. Augustine - Confessions
>G.K. Chesterton - Everlasting Man
>William Shakespeare - Hamlet
>Dante Aligheri - Divine Comedy
>Bela Menczer - Catholic Political Thought
>St. Athanasius - On the Incarnation
>JPII - Catechism
>St. Thomas Aquinas - Summa Theologiae (Concise Transl.)
>Cardinal Sarah - The Day is Now Far Spent
>Michael Allen Gillespie - Theological Origins of Modernity

Going deeper
>Plato - Phaedo // Parmenides // Symposium // Phaedrus // Gorgias // The Republic // Timaeus // Laws + Epinomis
>Aristotle - Organon // Physics // Metaphysics // Nicomachean Ethics // The Politics
>Marcus Tullius Cicero - On the Republic, On Laws // On Duties // On Ends // On Old Age and Friendship
>Plotinus - The Enneads
>Iamblichus - Arithmetic Theology
>Proclus - Elements of Theology (read this after Parmenides and before Plotinus)
>Ancius Boethius - Consolation of Philosophy
>Eusebius - Ecclesiastical History
>St. Augustine - City of God
>Pseudo-Dionysius of Areopagite - Complete Works (Classics of Western Spirituality Print is good)
>John Damascene - The Fount of Knowledge
>Maxiumus the Confessor - Selected Writings (Same as above)
>Hildegard of Bingen - Scivias
>John of Climacus - Ladder of Divine Ascent
>Cloud of Unknowing
>Holmes - Apostolic Fathers
>St. Thomas Aquinas - Summa Contra Gentiles // Summa Theologiae (the real thing now - you cant go wrong with Aquinas)
>Dante Aligheri - De Monarchia
>Chretien Troyes - Arthurian Romances
>Meister Eckhart (Teacher & Preacher // Sermons by Classics of Western Spirituality are good versions too)
>Thomas a Kempis - Imitations of Christ
>St. John of the Cross - Dark Night of the Soul
>Catherine of Siena - The Dialogue
>Nicholas of Cusa - Selected Spiritual Writings (Classics of Western Spirituality print)
>Marsilio Ficino - Platonic Theology
>Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet - Discourse on Universal History

Then for more modern works;
>Giambattista Vico - New Science
>Joseph De Maistre - The Pope // Essay on the Generative Pricniple of Constitutions // St. Petersburg Dialogues (read all of his work)
>Alasdair MacIntyre - After Virtue // Whose Justice? Which Rationality? // Three Rival Versions of Moral Inquiry (again, really just read everything he's written lul)
>Charles Taylor - A Secular Age
>Edward Feser - Scholastic Metaphysics
>René Girard - Violence and the Sacred
>E. Michael Jones - Libido Dominandi
>E. Michael Jones - Logos Rising
>William T. Cavanaugh - Myth of Religious Violence
>Wayne J. Hankey Aquinas's Neoplatonism (Hankey is an absolutely fantastic modern theologian synthesizing Catholic Theology and Neoplatonic philosophy)
>Denzinger - Sources of Catholic Dogma

>> No.16727361

>>16727308
The essential 5 here would be
>Feser
>Aquinas
>Dante
>Maistre
>Denzinger

>> No.16727363

>>16727206
>>16727271
based anons
thank you and God bless.

>>16727308
that was exactly what i was looking for, anon
may God be with you.

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>>16727363
No worries anon
Once youre done with Proclus and Aquinas I highly suggest going to academia(dot)edu and looking through all of Hankey's published writing and looking into Radical Orthodoxy (Milbank has a fantastic "Reader" published by Routledge on this)

I shall be praying for you God bless ~

>> No.16727665

>>16727308
>>Proclus - Elements of Theology (read this after Parmenides and before Plotinus)

curious as to why before Plotinus?

>> No.16727719

>>16727308
>>Wayne J. Hankey Aquinas's Neoplatonism (Hankey is an absolutely fantastic modern theologian synthesizing Catholic Theology and Neoplatonic philosophy)

I've read some of his essays and while his taste in theology/philosophy is good I've never gotten anything interesting out of his work.

I'd add Fran O'Rourke's book on Aquinas and Dionysius to your list.

>> No.16727744

>>16727308
Add The One and the Many by Norris Clarke.

>> No.16727750

>>16727486
>I highly suggest going to academia(dot)edu and looking through all of Hankey's published writing and looking into Radical Orthodoxy (Milbank has a fantastic "Reader" published by Routledge on this)

You realize Hankey fucking despises Radical Orthodoxy right? He thinks they're all retarded and need to be stopped.

>> No.16727777

>>16727750
yes but it makes for an interesting dialogue
and to be up to date with what theological discourse is one needs to read both sides no?

>> No.16727782

>>16727719
>>16727744
thank you both i shall add them

>> No.16727900

>>16727308
>e michael jones
truly a blessed post