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I just finished reading Apology, how could they kill Socrates bros wtf ;_;

>> No.16711073

Plato is an unreliable narrator, but keep in mind these were all slave owning males who didn’t want a city of swishy bums hitting on their sons.

>> No.16711090

>>16711073
I wish you drank the hemlock instead

>> No.16711094

>>16711062
socrates is a giga larp with no wisdom so he memed ''i know nuthing'' and all the midwits thought they were deep in the know
Literally phisolophy for rich socialite women

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>>16711090
I’d’ve spiked their water supply

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>>16711062
Political context is important to his case. Athens had just been through a reign-of-terror situation that purged 5% of the population. A leader of the brutal, short-lived cabal was one of Socrates's students: Critias. Socrates was also allowed to wander around the city being his usual obnoxious self while everyone else was wondering if they were next. So people associated him with the reign of terror. The charge of "corrupting the youth" was an attempt to scapegoat him for the ruthlness acts of Critias. Not a baseless charge, honestly. Even so, justice is rarely done in the wake of a crisis. See John Walker Lindh or James Fields.

Xenophon also said that Socrates was getting old and feeble and preferred to go out in a blaze of political glory than suffer senescence. Plato's account makes clear the court gave him a few chances to cuck out and save himself but he doubled down each time. Between the two accounts it's pretty clear he chose his fate.

>>16711073
You're a despicable dyke but you're not wrong.

>> No.16711244

>>16711062
Based off the apology, it sounds like the votes were split pretty evenly, with only a slight majority in favor of killing Socrates. Looking back now it seems like there were two competing views of Socrates among the Athenians, one of which is Plato's noble philosopher and the other being Aristophanes' sophist who spouts nonsense trying to sound profound. And given everything else going on in Athens at the time, Socrates probably got dragged into a wider political fight between separate factions in the city, where killing him wasn't really about him personally, but just a victory of one political group over another.

>> No.16711297

>>16711206
The court actually gave him so many chances it stupefies me how he could have died if not for his own accord. The court system was 100% set up to allow more arguments in his favor which not only would have secured his freedom, but would also have done so without violating his moral code. He could have done an emotional appeal, or referred to his military service, or had his friends vouch for him, but he did none of it. It makes you wonder if he actively pursued the image of a martyr to seal his legacy into place, because it's hard to see other reasons why he would do it.

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>>16711244
>it sounds like the votes were split pretty evenly, with only a slight majority in favor of killing Socrates

>> No.16711326

socrates was bald they should have killed him sooner

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>>16711062
Maybe he shouldn't have let himself become SPOOKED.

>> No.16711352

He used to fuck teenage boys lmaooo

>> No.16711743

>>16711206
>Dyke
It's a tranny

>> No.16711860

>>16711073
God just fuck off you worthless piece of shit.

>> No.16711869

>>16711062
Just wait until you get to Phaedo.. Bro it's heart wrenching.

>> No.16712054

>>16711206
>The charge of "corrupting the youth" was an attempt to scapegoat him for the ruthlness acts of Critias.
The charge was also related to Socrates' relationship with Alcibiades, who was pretty notorious political figure in Athens

>> No.16712061

>>16712054
Critias, Alcibiades and various Thirty Tyrants were companions of Socrates.

>> No.16712083

>>16712061
Yes, but Socrates remained loyal to the prior rulers of Athens even under the Tyrants, until they returned and sentenced him.

>> No.16712099

>>16712083
He actually disobeyed an order to seize an innocent man, although he didn't bother warning him.

>> No.16712129

>>16711062
>how could they kill Socrates
Are you sure you read it?

>> No.16712142

>>16711073
Die whore

>> No.16712350

>>16711062
DUDE SPOILERS

>> No.16712563

he deserved it