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Which /lit/ memes have you fallen for? Which are you glad to have fallen for and which were mistakes?

I’ll start:
Guenon - Some nice ideas but with very few arguments and descends into absurdity sometimes
Ted Kaczynski - very high quality critiques, frames modernity for me to this day
Mishima - sailor was great the rest were meh with occasional sparks of brilliance
Bronze Age Mindset - low iq Nietzsche for unread manchildren, some occasional glimmerings of insight make it through and he successfully inhabits Internet forum comedy though
Moldbug - fantastic critiques from an enlightened mind that are written too pompously and with shitty pleb-tier solutions, still great though

And you?

>> No.16708872

>>16708868
I took a gander at your mother's asshole, was alright

>> No.16708878

>>16708868
go outside

>> No.16708879

>>16708872
/thread/

>> No.16708883

>>16708872
fpbp

>> No.16708893

>>16708868
Weininger - for all his claims about championing science Sex and Character basically devolves into literal misogynistic rambling. Him coming to the conclusion that being gay is better than being straight is a hilarious cope though.
Spengler - I generally agree with some of the stuff he's saying, but I find that the same analysis (with better solutions) comes from Gebser instead.

>> No.16708961

>>16708868
i was writing a long post and lost it, so in short:
>extremely good meme
Joyce
>good meme
Pynchon, Janny
>could be worse meme
Mishima, Nabokov, Kaczynski
>i got pynched
Stirner

>> No.16708962

>>16708893
Ah a fellow /lit/ meme connoisseur. Should I read Spengler or gebsen first?

>> No.16709065

>>16708962
since i dont either of them ever engaged with the other's work, either really. dont be fooled by retards on /lit/ who'll tell you DotW is incomprehensible because it really isnt. Although I know the english translation for DotW is dogshit so unless you speak german like me you're out of luck there. no idea about the quality of Geber's translators

>> No.16709077

>>16708868
I fell for the Blood Meridian meme, and I'm glad I did. McCarthy is probably one of my favorite writers now. Also the /lit/ bookshelf threads inspired me to actually find a cheap bookshelf and get all my books off the floor and out of the garage where they were being damaged.

>> No.16709085

>>16708868
Albert Camus - The Stranger is a book so bad it made me angry while reading it.
DFW - Not a fan of his writing at all, but his interviews can be interesting.
Gene Wolfe - I have no idea why he is the only genre author considered /lit/. He makes use of a lot of neat techniques and themes that aren't usually present in fantasy or sci-fi, but the same could be said for countless other writers. I think he's been put on this pedestal by pseuds who began reading after 20 and put prestige in never having acquainted themselves with genre literature growing up.

>> No.16709094

>>16708893
>Sex and Character basically devolves into literal misogynistic rambling.
How so?
>coming to the conclusion that being gay is better than being straight
Where does he do this? The only place I can think of is when he says that masculine women (some lesbians) are superior to feminine women. Is there another place?

>> No.16709155

>>16709094
I looked up an english translation from this guy Heinegen and i dont remember how different it is from the german but, for a brief example, on page 91 he claims
>The real difference between the sexes is that in the male the desire [sex] is periodical, in the female continuous.
and the literal only evidence he gives for this are his unscientific, unqualified speculations on the pages previous

Where does he do this?
So okay i think i misremembered this, on page 51 of this translation he goes
>although the desire [of the homosexual] is greater than in the case of the normal relation of a man and a woman.

I could have sworn he said some shit about how homosexuality is more logical though, if i find it i'll post

>> No.16710299

>>16709155
>I looked up an english translation from this guy Heinegen
I'm not aware of any translator named "Heinegen" who translated GESCHLECHT UND CHARAKTER into English, though there was an anonymous English translation published in 1906 by William Heinemann in London. Is it this to which you are referring?

>his unscientific, unqualified speculations
In the sentence you quoted (rendered by Robert Willis in English as "The true difference here lies in the fact that for M the impulse to mate is, so to say, an intermittent itch, for W an incessant craving" or "Der wahre Unterschied liegt hier darin, daß für M der Begattungstrieb sozusagen ein pausierendes Jucken, für W ein unaufhörlicher Kitzel ist" in the original German) Weininger seems to be describing absolute ideals -- (M)and and (W)oman -- not biological men and women. While Weininger's "speculations" as you call them could certainly be wrong (though their having been arrived at through empirical observation and subsequent reflection/reasoning is a strong argument against this being the case), what about them is "unscientific" and indeed, what is it about them that makes them "unqualified"?

>I could have sworn he said some shit about how homosexuality is more logical though, if i find it i'll post
I don't think you will find it.

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Almost nothing I read /lit/ seems to talk about. I like Mishima but I didn't pick him up because of /lit/ and I haven't read any of the /lit/ 'classics' he's written.

>> No.16710366

>The Brothers Karamazov
I was sold on it being life affirming. They're all shitty people (even Alyosha) and it just made me sad about not being moneyed gentry.

>> No.16710386

Stop reading and instead live life.

>> No.16710591

When I think about it, I realise that I have completely failed this board. I have spent around six years on here and haven't read a bit of Joyce, Pynchon or DFW. (Except J's letter to Nora.)
;_;

>> No.16710610

Stoner. I enjoyed it, but it is unbelievably overrated here

>> No.16710627

>>16708868
I'll admit I fell for the "raped his sister" meme of Catcher in the Rye. Reread the entire book 10 years after the first read in a fit of rage to see if it was just a meme.

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>>16708868
Whatever this is.

>> No.16710653

>>16708868
Reading. Literally why are you buying books? You know you can just pay for an audiobook where a trained performer reads the book to you. Literally the bedtime stories of true patricians

>> No.16710655

>>16708868
I sincerely appreciate that you implicitly rate Moldbug at the same level as Kaczynski. I think it's transparently true, but Moldbug is lame and talks about things that are pathetic in a way that's less provocative, so that the average lit pseud would be incapable of putting them at the same level.

>> No.16710660

>>16710655
Literally the worst name ever. Moldbug would be what I named a gross Jewish janitor who is a pervert and lives in a shack

>> No.16710661

>>16710633
speaking books made by lit does anyone have the link to the complete works of god 2?

>> No.16710665

>>16710627
so does he rape his sister?

>> No.16710668

>>16710660
>gross Jewish janitor who is a pervert and lives in a shack
That's what he is tho.

>> No.16710683

>>16710668
I never understood what the fuck Moldbug does as a job. I remember he put up a fundraiser on his blog when his daughter was born

>> No.16710703

>>16710683
Good on him for breeding

>> No.16710915

>>16710683
He's a two-sigma grifter.

>> No.16710955

>>16710915
speak English m8

>> No.16711018

>>16710955
Second time I've been asked to do so today.

I've come to realize that political realities can only be expressed in cant languages. Kerry Thornley wrote about this, and how his refusal to adopt a political argot always left him confused and outside any group or understanding. In the end he died thinking he'd come to a woke geopoltical perspective that he'd figured out for himself. But it was just academic post-colonialism. He was merely picking up on disinfo signals and constructing an intended consensus delusion. This is why a cant is essential: all the psyops happen in the lingua franca.

Try figuring out what I said for yourself. It shouldn't be hard.

>> No.16711030

>>16708868
Personally I've fallen for these memes:
>answer every question by recommending the The Holy Bible
>My War Gone By I Miss It So
Uhhh
>the Philip K. Dick Man in the High Castle dick meme

>> No.16711032

>>16711030
>>the Philip K. Dick Man in the High Castle dick meme
What's this one?

>> No.16711038

>>16711018
You could have just explained what it meant. 'two sigma' sounds like you're calling him 2 standard deviations above or below baseline in some way. And maybe he is now a grifter but he wasn't back then, he put out almost all the material for free on his blog.

>> No.16711040

>>16711038
Wrong on all counts. But close.

>> No.16711050

>>16711032
Such classics as: High Dick in the Dick Castle; My Dick is High; High I'm High Dick;

>> No.16711053

>>16711050
kek

>> No.16711109

> Kierkegaard

Useless shit philosophy that is also boring except for a few very relatable lines.

Aristotle is more fun to read.

>> No.16711562

>>16711109
This
Got memed into reading the whiny cunt by the christian apologia anons who shill Augustine

>> No.16711590

>>16710633
you actually read this?

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>>16711590

>> No.16711704

>duuuude read Hegel
fuck you, Anonymous, you know who you are

>> No.16711724

>>16708868
Ted Kaczynski - terrible, he's literally just a bad rehash of ideas from Jacques Ellul and Lewis Mumford

Herman Hesse - to be fair, it could be the translation, but my copy of Siddhartha had a grammatical error in the first sentence

DFW - can't believe i wasted two months of my life reading Infinite Jest, it's like an autistic academic attempting to approximate creativity

J.D. Salinger - he's shit, if he grew up in the early 2000s he would be a fedora-tipping atheist

Moby Dick - it has beautiful turns of phrase and I liked it, but it felt overrated. Maybe because I'm not a burgerlander?

>> No.16711732

>>16711724
>Moby Dick - it has beautiful turns of phrase and I liked it, but it felt overrated. Maybe because I'm not a burgerlander?

im worried im not gonna like it as well cause im not an americuck

>> No.16711736

I've read Totalitarian in a Tundra cover to cover. To say that reading it is like panning nuggets of gold out of a river of liquid shit is to suggest the book has the same inherent order as a river, which flows along its course in one direction. It's more like a cluster of shit-typhoons, and occasionally some of the debris that smacks into you is actually quite nice, but there's no rhyme or reason to its occurrence and you've no way of knowing if you'll ever see its like again once it's gone. It's also quite possible that I look back on these moments of brief, lucid charm as a way to salvage the time I spent reading it, because in all honesty I cannot recommend the experience to anyone except the terminally bored.

>> No.16711780

Kokoro and Ningen Shikaku (No longer human): not bad per se but I couldn't relate to the protagonists despite having a depression. Plot was meh. They are major novels in Japan so it was alright to get in contact with a more different culture and I realised that I don't get their culture, so I stopped reading more jap. books. Generally I'm fond of having read major works of different cultures.
Camus: The Stranger and Myth of Sisyphus. Also in the depressive phase of my life. It was mediocre. It was a bigger meme in 2013-2015 if I recall correctly.
Kaczynski: Excellent. Explained a lot.
BAP: a few interesting thoughts that were new for me, I enjoyed it.
Harassment Architecture: 140 pages of 4chan posting. Enjoyed about a third.

>>16711736
I was afraid that this would be case. Thanks for the review, yours is the first I've read. Why did you decide to read it?

>> No.16711805

>>16711724
How much worse than Ellis is kaczynski? I’m especially interested in the character of modern man, the idea of the overspocialised etc, Should I read Ellul or Mumford for that?

>> No.16711806

>>16711780
>Why did you decide to read it?
Curiosity mostly. I wanted to see what kind of book 4chan could write. Having read it, I believe it is exactly the sort of book one would imagine 4chan would write. Whether living up to this expectation is success or failure depends on the reader. While I can't call the result good, or even really readable, it's nonetheless apt. It is perfectly fitting that a monument to 4chan's cultural minds is built out of shit. There is no other material that would hold the shape.

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>>16708868
I fell for the spengler meme first and got filtered by the mathematics. But i ploughed through and was blown away

>> No.16712235

I was so close to actually reading one of those pajeet philosophy books.

>> No.16712396

>>16712235
I read the Gita and it was really good

>> No.16712778

>>16709085
Wolfe is put on a pedestal by other authors, not just /sffg/

>> No.16712871

>>16711780
>140 pages of 4chan posting.
Never a truer word was said.
I did find it funny most of the time, though I listened to an audiobook version of it.
I think that probably increased my enjoyment of it due to the excellent delivery.
In the same way trying to read the Turner Diaries was difficult due to how boring it was, however the audiobook version made by the authour himself made it a lot more enjoyable.
Though I'm not sure I would recommend it.

>> No.16712950

>>16708872
based