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most /lit/ languages Anonymous Sat Oct 31 08:56:53 2020 No.16690564 [Reply] [Original]

heres my rankings of the literature of the biggest european languages. i tried to be objective as possible. im not including greek and latin because many works from classical times havent survived.

english i feel has had the biggest literary impact. the sheer volume alone of works published in english is immense, and the language has produced countless masterpieces. the greatest plays (besides the classical ones) are written by shakespeare, "leaves of grass" is widely considered the best work of poetry, moby dick is likewise considered the best novel, hume, locke, hobbes, bentham, mill are essential to the philosophical cannon, and pretty much any relevant contemporary writer writes in english

french is like english but on a slightly lesser scale. great philosophy, tons of great literature. A tier language

german and russian are b tier because they both are really only good in one field of literature. russia has good 19th century realists and romantic poets but not much outside that. germany's only literary achievements besides goethe is all philosophy.

italian has good poetry and dante and some lesser known philosophers, not as good as the others but still solid. spainish has cervantes and borges and some obscure stuff nobody except spics have read. they go last on the rankings

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 08:58:28 2020 No.16690571 >>16690564 Where would Irish go on the list?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 08:58:31 2020 No.16690572 Which is your native language anon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 08:59:01 2020 No.16690573 >>16690571 Z

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 08:59:58 2020 No.16690578 >>16690573 That's the one at the very top, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:00:25 2020 No.16690580 >>16690564 S. Ancient Greek, Sanskrit A. Latin, French B. English, German, Italian C. Spanish, Portuguese Russian D. Romanian

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:00:39 2020 No.16690581 >>16690572 bulgarian. im only ranking the major languages, because obviously smol countries like mine dont have much

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:03:49 2020 No.16690593

>>16690564
So are you ranking based on the quantity / quality of production or the aesthetic value of the language itself? Do you really think English rivals German, French, and Italian in terms of literary-aesthetic value? Very interested in this from non-native English speakers.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:08:07 2020 No.16690614

>>16690593
i mean if they were able to make so many masterpieces it has to be a pretty fucking sweet language. i feel like when people consider romance languages they picture the warm weather, the picturesque scenery, especially the beaches, and fabio, and conclude that the language is be innately beautiful, even if they dont know it. and dont get me wrong italy has stuff like dante but not quite near the amount of masterpieces as uk and france have

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:15:31 2020 No.16690655

>>16690614
Interesting. I’m native English but French literature and find the latter to be much more apt for poetry and more intrinsically beautiful overall. I think English is great for prose and other things such as clear descriptions and direct communication, but Romance languages seem more innately poetic. I’m always surprised that anyone but native English speakers see English literature as genuinely valuable, it’s reassuring because being more as a native English speaker always feels like some sort of curse.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:16:33 2020 No.16690658 >>16690655 *French literate

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:30:14 2020 No.16690711

S. Ancient Greek
A. Latin, French, English
B+. German, Italian, Arabic, Sanskrit(/pol/fags get out)
B. Spanish, Russian, Chinese
C. Portuguese, Japanese
D. Dutch
btw I view making the list an accomplishment itself

Also OP is a retard for not including classical languages and his reasoning is a meme. I view Arabic and Sanskrit highly because they are important classical languages in large parts of the world which have produced some of the best /lit/erary work of all time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 09:31:17 2020 No.16690713 >>16690711 also persian should probably be between C and B

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 10:02:29 2020 No.16690821 >>16690581 ee zdr bace

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 10:13:12 2020 No.16690856 >>16690564 british isn't a language div, should have used the english flag

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 10:32:46 2020 No.16690934 >>16690711 What’s your native language?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 10:34:22 2020 No.16690940 >>16690564 Spanish English powergap italian power gap power gap power gap power gap russian power gap power gap german power gap power gap power gap power gap french

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 10:38:03 2020 No.16690953 >>16690564 Imagine being so stupid that you unironically rate languages and, moreover, put yours, presumably the only one you understand, at the top

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 10:42:47 2020 No.16690963 >>16690934 French

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 10:49:48 2020 No.16690998

>>16690655
English has evolved some excellent styles over the years. The drawback to becoming the lingua franca is loss of the natural culture built around a language as it "internationalizes" to some degree. It's hard to imagine a specific character for the English language nowadays but by the industrial era it had become something quite great, and these authors are always a joy to read since no other nation's style really fills this role. Native anglos seem to have a characteristic apathy toward this literature though, to Dickens and Thackeray & others who they probably have not read but mentally view as bland, unable to relate to their pre-war mentalities. Of course this era of literature really is great, our ancestors weren't lying to us, but it takes a proper mindset to see this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 11:01:07 2020 No.16691029 >>16690564 I can tell why you are brainlet. You only listed modern languages.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 11:03:47 2020 No.16691039

>>16690998
I see. I guess I get insecure with how dry english seems compared with honestly most world languages. It’s surprising that so much great literature was produced by something so ostensibly flat. I’ve come to love it at times of course, in Chaucer, Yeats, Melville, and many others. But I always assumed there just happened to be many prolific writers but the rest of the world didn’t think much of it. The rampant (and obviously understandable) Anglo-slander of the day doesn’t help. Not that I care, I’m no Anglo myself but even as a lover of language I’ve always been insecure about English.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 11:06:13 2020 No.16691051 >>16690564 What's the point of this thread if everyone's just going to put their language at the top?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 11:11:07 2020 No.16691070 >>16691051 They don’t.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 11:16:09 2020 No.16691087

>>16690564
>"leaves of grass" is widely considered the best work of poetry, moby dick is likewise considered the best novel
No they aren't
>hume, locke, hobbes, bentham, mill are essential to the philosophical cannon
Hume and Hobbes sure. The rest of those chucklefucks not so much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 11:16:32 2020 No.16691089 >>16691070 Okay, not the top, but second tier, like that guy >>16690711 did. How do you even measure the /lit/ness of a language if you don't know all of them?

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 11:23:38 2020 No.16691119

>>16691089
Presumably off reputation but even that’s dependent on region so I agree it’s faulty but interesting what people think.
>>16691087
True MD and LoG aren’t considered THE greatest, but are often held in conversations with other top tiers like Proust and Tolstoy. Well, MD is at least, to stay in the realm of novels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 11:40:46 2020 No.16691173 >>16690564 Greek --> Homer Spanish --> Cervantes Italian --> Dante English --> The Canterbury Tales French --> Gargantua and Pantagruel Latin --> Ockham & Spinoza Russian --> Dostoyevsky German --> Rainer Maria Rilke

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 11:40:57 2020 No.16691175 >>16691089 >How do you even measure the /lit/ness of a language if you don't know all of them? Based on how retarded the people speaking them are

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 11:48:52 2020 No.16691203 >>16691173 Spanish --> Cervantes, the Celestina* & the Lazarillo* Greek --> Homer & Oedipus Rex* Italian --> Divine Comedy* & Decameron*

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 11:52:45 2020 No.16691220 German powergap Ancient Languages Russian powergap French Anything else powergap powergap powergap powergap powergap english

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 11:56:01 2020 No.16691239 >>16691203 Greek --> Homer, Oedipus Rex, Plato & Aristotle* fixed.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 11:59:30 2020 No.16691255

>>16690564
German i feel has had the biggest literary impact. the sheer volume alone of works published in German is immense, and the language has produced countless masterpieces. the greatest plays (besides the classical ones) are written by Goethe, "Die Nibelungen" is widely considered the best work of poetry, Der Zauberberg is likewise considered the best novel, Kant, Hegel, Nietzsche, Heidegger, Wittgenstein are essential to the philosophical cannon, and pretty much any relevant contemporary writer writes in German

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:01:53 2020 No.16691268

>>16690614
>i mean if they were able to make so many masterpieces it has to be a pretty fucking sweet language.
Do people actually think that the language itself matters? A languages literary history is all about historical circumstances there's nothing inherent about languages in this matter.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:02:31 2020 No.16691271

>>16691255
>"Die Nibelungen" is widely considered the best work of poetry, Der Zauberberg is likewise considered the best novel
you're an absolut brainlet if you think these are the crowning achievements of the german language (let alone the bests in the word)

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:05:18 2020 No.16691280

>>16691255
This is laughable. You overestimate the impact of German lit wayyyy too much. It is not as widely read outside of German speaking countries as you think.
The only thing true is the philosophers, and even then only Hegel and Kant are truly worthwhile of those you listed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:06:42 2020 No.16691286 >>16691271 Still better than OP's Leaves of Grass and Moby Dick, so go fuck yourself.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:08:22 2020 No.16691290

>>16690564
This is laughable. You overestimate the impact of English lit wayyyy too much. It is not as widely read outside of English speaking countries as you think.
The only thing true is the philosophers, and even then only Locke is truly worthwhile of those you listed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:10:19 2020 No.16691293 >>16691280 Not him but you reek of anglo. Anglos have always dismissed anything continental (especially German) as bad. The impact of German literature goes way beyond Germany.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:11:30 2020 No.16691298 >>16690564 >>16690564 >>16690564 Ahh yes the power of being a dirty monoglot and only being aware of the basic of bitches Anglo version of the canon.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:11:37 2020 No.16691299

>>16690564
In all honesty ranking languages like this is silly. Even ranking individual categories like poetry or novels is silly. Even if you knew all these languages fluently and had read a huge amount of each country's literature, you would still have only very ambiguous ways of comparing them with each other.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:29:43 2020 No.16691361

>>16691299
>>16691299
>>16691299
>you would still have only very ambiguous ways of comparing them with each other.

Lmao don't be a naive stupid faggot. The hierarchy of literatures is unspoken of in polite company, but its very tangible and real. Maybe 4chan is a crank pseud shithole that can't do it, but languages and their affects can very much be ranked and most definitely are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:32:33 2020 No.16691371 >>16691361 Well I can't rank any of the languages I know as definitively superior to each other, and I don't even know how you would do that. The entire idea seems dumb to me. Maybe you can tell me how you do it personally with some examples

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:37:34 2020 No.16691386

>>16691293
Cope lmao, I'm not even an anglo.
I say this because I have lived in 3 European countries and know for a fact German lit is not prominent at all outside of Germany, excluding the philosphy.
I can admit that Kant was probably the greatest philosopher since Aristotle, and he has been the best since, but thinking the Magic Mountain is the greatest novel is just pathetic nationalism...

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:37:46 2020 No.16691389 >>16690564 Switch German and Spain's positions. German has the best philosophers, but mediocre literature and is no way better than Spain in that regard.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:45:10 2020 No.16691417

>>16691386
>I say this because I have lived in 3 European countries and know for a fact German lit is not prominent at all outside of Germany, excluding the philosphy.
This is anecdotal and postwar bias. German lit is and will always be very influential and palpable as long as the idea of Europe persists.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:50:08 2020 No.16691434

Scottish Gaelic has to be high just because of this masterpiece.

Night came to U-thorno.
They chiefs stood about their grief.
The blast went in turns through each warriors hair,
Fingal slowly dragged his feet,
Past the mighty congregation of kings,
Fingal's thoughts lay deep within his chest.
He called forth melodious Ullin of Harps,
And called for the songs of the chiefs to rise.
"He was no falling fire without flame

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:54:14 2020 No.16691443

>>16691417
Well this is my experience talking to people from different European countries and guess what? everyone overestimates their countries literature.
If you were to ask some dude from Burma the greatest writers he would put some Burmese author in the top 10.
If you honestly think that the Nibelungenlied is the greatest poetry ever written you are severly underread and reek of chauvinism and cheap patriotism.
Modern German philosophy is the most relevant in the world, but the literature is not even in the top 5 of Europe.
And fyi, the greatest strength of Portuguese and Spanish lit is the poetry, which is severly underwhelming when read in translation, that's why they are underrepresented in these bullshit western canon while Russian lit (that has arguably some of the greatest novels and short stories) is overrepresented.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:54:48 2020 No.16691448 >>16691434 STFU autist. Ossian does reach homeric heights, but millennia too late to have any impact, stop being a tryhard ossianfag.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:56:23 2020 No.16691453 >>16691448 The thread is about beauty not impact. If you want to talk about impact then English has no place.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:58:19 2020 No.16691459

>>16691443
>If you honestly think that the Nibelungenlied is the greatest poetry ever written you are severly underread and reek of chauvinism and cheap patriotism.
You're a retard in contact with other retards. Find new better friends and be like them. If Goethe thought Nibel was shit, no modern reader worth talking with would bother to overrate it.

Spanish and Portuguese poetry is indeed underrated, but ironically they lack craft and substance. Italian poetry, even had Dante not existed, truly is the peak of med craft.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:58:43 2020 No.16691460 i am absolutely positive that nobody in this thread can read in more than 2 languages without pulling up a dictionary for every other sentence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 12:58:55 2020 No.16691462 Scottish poetry peaks in the Germanic languages.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:01:55 2020 No.16691474 >>16691460 t jealous monoglot

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:03:58 2020 No.16691483

>>16691459
>but ironically they lack craft and substance
There, you outed yourself as a retard.
I was trying to say that you will always have a skewed judgement in favour of your own country/language and will downplay foreing traditions heavily based on poetry. It is exactly the same with Chinese lit. If you were from Sichuan you would be saying that Li Bai was the gratest poet to ever live.
Mate, I'm sorry to break this news to you but no one outside of Germany/Austria give a fuck about Nibelungenlied.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:06:45 2020 No.16691500 A. Ancient Greek, Classical Chinese B. Latin, Sanskrit, C. Spanish, Italian, Mandarin D. Russian (barely extant prior to 19th century, otherwise close to C) E. English F. Portuguese, French, German

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:10:17 2020 No.16691517

>>16691483
You obviously can't read. Nibel is shit, and so are you.

Compared to Italian poetry, Iberian poetry just doesn't compare, lmao.

Name five Iberian poets you think outweigh the best Italics. Don't be afraid. Whatever either of us might say, it remains for the audience here to decide who's more right. And if you can't muster them, you're a coward who admits defeat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:13:21 2020 No.16691534 >>16690581 Slavic literature is quite underrated, older literature and folk poetry in particular.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:14:40 2020 No.16691540

>>16690564
Here is the objective list:

Philosophy:
S+: Ancient Greek, German
F: Everything else

Poetry:
S: French
A: Italian, Latin
B: Spanish, Portuguese
C: German, Chinese
D: Everything else
F: English

Epics:
S: Latin
A: Ancient Greek
B: Italian
C: French
F: Everything else

Novel:
S: French
A: German, Spanish
B: Russian
C: Everything else

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:15:37 2020 No.16691543 >>16691540 shit list kys

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:18:38 2020 No.16691557 >>16691543 >t. *nglo

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:19:14 2020 No.16691562 >>16691543 Cope

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:19:22 2020 No.16691563

>>16691517
My favorites:
Góngora
San Juan de la Cruz
Camões
Pessoa
Federico García Lorca

Other strong ones (you can switch any if you wish):
Quevedo
Garcilaso de la Vega
Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz
Machado
Bécquer
Sa Carneiro
Florbela Espanca
Cesário Verde

I could list dozens more but there is no point, just pick the five you wish and compare all you want.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:23:46 2020 No.16691573 >>16691563 I was honestly hoping for better picks, not just territory I'm already familiar with. unamusedface.jpg

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:34:04 2020 No.16691615 File: 16 KB, 210x240, 340af4d564aa41a1e9c62548a759c63.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16691573 >I was honestly hoping for better picks, not just territory I'm already familiar with

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:38:32 2020 No.16691636 >>16691563 mediocre bruh

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:39:22 2020 No.16691641 >>16691483 >no one outside of Germany/Austria give a fuck about Nibelungenlied. It was a huge inspiration for both Wagner and Tolkien.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:39:55 2020 No.16691643 >>16691641 >Outside of Germany >Wagner

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 13:45:41 2020 No.16691657 Ge'ez is the most /lit/ language

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 14:07:19 2020 No.16691742 >>16691643 Wagner's influence itself can be felt all over the arts in every western country.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 14:12:12 2020 No.16691761 >>16690593 >o you really think English rivals German, French, and Italian in terms of literary-aesthetic value? Yes. There is a reason those other languages are going extinct

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 14:15:45 2020 No.16691775 /lit/ isn't an identity

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 14:17:59 2020 No.16691784 >>16691534 yes but it's not like you can read every language if you know one

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 14:41:21 2020 No.16691912 >>16691293 I like German literature but come on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 14:53:47 2020 No.16691971 >>16690564 you forgot milton. paradise lost is one of the greatest literary achievements of all time, one of the 5 epics actually worth reading, alongside homer's illiad and oddyssey, dante's inferno, and virgil's aeneid

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 14:56:29 2020 No.16691986 >>16691912 It's ok. Anglos dropped off in quality in the mid 20th century when they became monolingual.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 15:01:44 2020 No.16692009 File: 230 KB, 1064x558, download.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16690564 fixed it for you

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 15:12:46 2020 No.16692065 >>16690564 >Russian and German above Italian Peak pleb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 15:48:05 2020 No.16692190 >>16691280 >only hegel and kant are truly worthwile aka I'm only interested in those two

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 16:23:03 2020 No.16692301 >>16691239 Don't mix Literature with Philosophy, t least make a consequent tier list.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 16:48:25 2020 No.16692402 >>16690564 S: German A: French, Ancient Greek B: Russian, Latin, English C: Japanese, Italian D: Everything else

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 16:51:50 2020 No.16692415 >>16690564 >"leaves of grass" is widely considered the best work of poetry Holy cow. I pray to God this was a trolling attempt. There can't be seriously people like that, can there now?

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:45:29 2020 No.16693616

>>16690564
Funny, OP, I made a similar ranking as yours a long time ago but since I am American everyone talked loads of shit. However personally I would rate Russian literature lowest on the list because although Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, and Pushkin are great authors, they haven't been nearly as influential as Dante or Cervantes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:49:26 2020 No.16693625 >inb4 ESLs start seething at English being in S

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 21:56:36 2020 No.16693647 A. Spanish B. Spanish C. Spanish D. Spanish

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:00:37 2020 No.16693656 File: 33 KB, 600x514, gustavobueno2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How iliterate do you have to be to put spanish so low? It has one of the richests literatures, if not the richest, and its philosophy is not far behind.

Anonymous Sat Oct 31 22:16:32 2020 No.16693716

>god tier
Canadian
>perfect
American, Italian, Irish
>some good works
French, Russian, African-American
>one good author
German, English, African, Latin
>good intentions
Japanese, Brazilian, Korean
>overrated
Spanish, Ancient Greek, Hindu/Buddhist, Persian
>delete
Chinese, Mexican, Argentinian, Hellenic, Arab, Polish, Finnish, Lithuanian
>the very worst
Internet

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:05:27 2020 No.16694104 >>16691173 Russian here. The language of Dostoevsky isn't very sophisticated or special, the ideas of his prose are more important than his writing style. If you are looking for stylistics, you'd better read Tolstoy, Nabokov or Bely in Russian.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:07:28 2020 No.16694112 File: 35 KB, 600x600, 1300044776986.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >ctrl f "anglo" >8 results

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:09:26 2020 No.16694121 File: 79 KB, 850x400, frase-la-impresion-que-tuve-la-primera-vez-que-fui-a-inglaterra-es-que-quitando-las-elites-de-las-gustavo-bueno-105132.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16694112 9 Fuck anglos

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:19:55 2020 No.16694166 >>16694121 Fuck anglos indeed

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:43:11 2020 No.16694232 >>16690564 Good list, anon. Honestly can't fault it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 00:44:38 2020 No.16694234 >>16694112 Seething spics, as per usual.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 02:51:24 2020 No.16694820 >>16694121 Ah yes, the famous refined table manners and speech of middle and lower class Spaniards lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 03:55:10 2020 No.16694957 this thread is retarded

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 04:02:48 2020 No.16694983 >>16694234 Found the Nazi fascist incel chud bootlicker

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 04:06:58 2020 No.16694991

>>16690711
Good ranking but should have made Dutch a F or G category instead of just D. What an ugly language.

>>16691255
German literature is quite completely irrelevant before the very end of the 18th century, and has been very disappointing in the second half of the 20th century up to contemporary publishing.The language also never had a global impact which limited the spread and implies almost everyone read translations from the start.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 07:57:54 2020 No.16695589 >>16694991 I'm Dutch, I like my language, I think it can be beautiful, but admittedly Dutch literature is pretty shit. Knowing Dutch is a good stepping stone for getting into English/German or even French literature though.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:06:25 2020 No.16695619

>>16690571
I get the impression that OP is doing it on language, not nationality. So most of the great Irish writers are under English along with American works. Irish language literature (like essentially all Celtic languages) is a joke compared to the major languages

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:06:55 2020 No.16695621 >>16695619 >is a joke compared to the major languages Do you mean the size of it?

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:08:23 2020 No.16695628

>>16694991
>Good ranking but should have made Dutch a F or G category instead of just D. What an ugly language.
D is clearly the correct position for Dutch, a country that produced Vondel, Hooft, Bilderdijk and Gorter, should not be placed lower and when you add to that a decent amount of philosophy, scientific literature, a few novel and a lot of good history works, it should probaly be placed higher alongside Portuguese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:08:58 2020 No.16695633 >>16695589 Learn Scots. Has lots of similarities to Dutch phonetically.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:09:46 2020 No.16695639 Myfuckingod. The amount of people placing French in the top tiers and disrespecting Spanish shows how absolutely full of uneducated faggots this board is nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:13:44 2020 No.16695662 >>16695633 So I can be that hipster who can say they've learned Scots? No thanks. It's even more useless than learning Dutch.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:15:25 2020 No.16695671 >>16695662 >It's even more useless than learning Dutch. Only if you don't like reading.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:15:50 2020 No.16695672 >>16695662 >It's even more useless than learning Dutch. How else are you going to learn about the Golden Age, Dutch painters, Modern Democracy and large chapters of scientific history, if you dont learn Dutch Anon?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:15:58 2020 No.16695674 >>16695639 Hate to break it to you, but French lit > Spanish lit.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:20:41 2020 No.16695703

>>16695672
Yeah Dutch has had a significant impact on scientific development during the Dutch golden age, but do you really need to speak Dutch to learn about science? No. Unless you want to read these ancient documents in the old Nederlandsche taal, it really won't help you that much.
As for painters, what does that have to do with language?

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:24:42 2020 No.16695724

>>16695703
>Yeah Dutch has had a significant impact on scientific development during the Dutch golden age
You arent very well educated, the Dutch gave a scientific contribution to the world for its total existence as a nation from Boerhaave to Lorentz.

Also kinda difficult understanding the meaning and context of a painting if you do not know the shape a society takes, also.

Cant properly understand early mysticism without learning Dutch or the history of protestantism.

Also missing out on a lot of good late 19th and 20th century novels and poetry.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:24:52 2020 No.16695727 >>16691534 It’s the youngest European language, they were the last to develop literature in EU or another way of putting it the last to exit pre history

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:26:35 2020 No.16695732 >>16695727 no, thats the finns.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:26:38 2020 No.16695734 >>16695662 FACT: DUTCH PEOPLE ARE THE MOST POWERFUL RACE IN THE WORLD

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:35:22 2020 No.16695763 >>16695734 The Dutch have been producing occasional great pieces of literature since the Middle Ages, while the German squirted all their talent out in one big century, no doubt Dutch will win out in the end.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 08:41:16 2020 No.16695784 >>16695621 Extent depth and quality, relative quality is good but affirmative action >>16695639 It’s been over 4 centuries since Cervantes died, get over it Maestro.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 10:04:14 2020 No.16696039 >>16690593 >Do you really think English rivals German, French, and Italian in terms of literary-aesthetic value yes, easily

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 10:10:16 2020 No.16696067 >>16695763 >tiny pebble rabbit poops vs one big softserver chocolate mombo jombo. Yah, I thenk the germans win out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 11:05:57 2020 No.16696329 >>16696067 >>tiny pebble rabbit poops vs one big softserver chocolate mombo jombo. I take it you are Jewish?

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 12:47:52 2020 No.16696723

>>16694991
>German literature is quite completely irrelevant before the very end of the 18th century
The same can be said for English and Russian. Also to my knowledge French and Spanish were also pretty irrelevant up until a couple centuries prior (with the exception of the troubadours).
>very disappointing in the second half of the 20th century
What country hasn't been disappointing in terms of literary output since the end of WW2?

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 12:50:19 2020 No.16696734

>>16695763
>The Dutch have been producing occasional great pieces of literature since the Middle Ages
I literally can't think of a single Dutch writer worth mentioning besides Erasmus while there are close to a dozen German writers regularly discussed on this board.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 12:52:17 2020 No.16696741 >>16695732 I thought it was Russian written language and didn’t say it to belittle, it’s in fact the only language (besides native English) that I’ve studied, I’m not fluent but can read enough of it to get by

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 12:56:20 2020 No.16696759

>>16690564
This is kind of tangential but what do you guys think is the most "efficient" language for literature? I asked my high school English teacher this question a few years ago but he was a retard and couldn't answer. By "efficient", I mean able to convey the most meaning with the least amount of writing. I was tempted to say Chinese but if you take a sentence and translate it into a bunch of different languages Chinese doesn't look to be THAT efficient + hanzi are much more complex than the Latin alphabet. Any ideas?
>English: It is very important to read many books. Your mind should be challenged and engaged as often as possible.
>Chinese: 阅读很多书非常重要。您的思维应尽可能多地挑战和参与。
>Latin: Magna est nimis multa librorum legere. Et quotiens vocarentur in controversiam potest animo versantur.
>Welsh: Mae'n bwysig iawn darllen llawer o lyfrau. Dylai eich meddwl gael ei herio a'i ymgysylltu mor aml â phosib.
>Arabic: من المهم جدًا قراءة العديد من الكتب. يجب تحدي عقلك وإشراكه قدر الإمكان.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 12:57:00 2020 No.16696764 File: 130 KB, 742x716, 1602789504426.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16690564

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 13:00:18 2020 No.16696778 >>16696759 I seen something about information per syllable and English is up there with the Asian languages but it wasn’t first place, Spanish too

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 13:13:26 2020 No.16696835 >>16691563 Add Ruben Dario, Antero de Quental, Bocangel or even just Boscan to the mix and you'd BTFO of the italians even more. Hell, even Borges was an fine poet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 13:13:46 2020 No.16696838 >>16696778 I wanted to say that English could be up there but figured that might be a bit presumptuous.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 13:14:07 2020 No.16696839 >portuguese is a good /lit/ language t. spics

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 14:28:22 2020 No.16697190 >>16696734 >I literally can't think of a single Dutch writer worth mentioning besides Erasmus while there are close to a dozen German writers regularly discussed on this board. lol, learn Dutch and study the literature then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 14:51:04 2020 No.16697313 >>16697190 If your literary tradition doesn't have writers that are well regarded enough to be translated into English, it's not worth looking into.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 14:56:02 2020 No.16697334 >>16696723 Wrong. The height of Spanish literature was in the XVII century. Even Schopenhauer learnt Spanish to read the Spanish Golden Age classics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 14:58:55 2020 No.16697353 >>16696723 >>16697334 Okay, I didn't read the couple centuries earlier. My bad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 17:44:38 2020 No.16698104 >>16690564 >italian>spanish do you not realize?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 17:52:56 2020 No.16698134 File: 80 KB, 745x758, 4A7C640C-EE56-4BCE-8488-B669F5E3513A.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Literally refuted your thread.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 18:57:10 2020 No.16698386

>>16690564
did Mexicans unironically killed the Spanish Language? at least the perception of it? i´m south american but i think the anglo ressentment towards the spanish language comes because of the mexicans who speak spanish in a retarded way to begin with, such a shame

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 18:59:49 2020 No.16698395 File: 155 KB, 500x420, ebony nibba.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16694121 https://youtu.be/QT13kk8HDDo

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:02:47 2020 No.16698406 >>16690953 Based

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:07:05 2020 No.16698421 汉字是太好了desu

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:31:02 2020 No.16698507

The only reason you consider one leanguage beautiful is because of the works written in it. So the best are based on their countrys power. English is the best because England ruled the world, but before England came France, Spain or Rome. To try and order the language of the works of literature is dumb stuff, no language is intrinsecally beatiful, all of them are imperfect in transmitting ideas or feelings. That said the best language is spanish.

Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:39:48 2020 No.16698538

the most literary languages are those which only exist in books or a particular literary performance: biblical hebrew, sanskrit; homeric greek was a creole poetic dialect, and, accordingly, tragedy, comedy, then the continued epic tradition had grammatical and vocabulary traits unique to the tradition of their genres.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:43:38 2020 No.16698547 >>16698507 >intrinsecally beatiful What did he mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:48:25 2020 No.16698567 >>16698507 in some ways it´s a measure of national pride, i think one of the reasons bardolatry took off was because of nationalism too

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 1 19:57:13 2020 No.16698600 >>16698547 I meant its good

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 01:17:54 2020 No.16699680 >>16691761 >>16696039 How about I beat the fucking SHIT out of you instead?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 04:16:12 2020 No.16700149 >>16690940 >Spanish first >French that low >power gap I can't believe how much I hate this post being spanish myself. You bring us ignominy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 06:04:11 2020 No.16700394 >>16691742 That doesn’t have anything to do with it being broadcasted on airwaves all throughout ww2 in axis controlled territories?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 06:48:43 2020 No.16700528 >>16691563 >Florbela Espanca Far underrated girl. I should pay more attention to her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 06:56:54 2020 No.16700548 File: 41 KB, 727x727, 1553642620971.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16696764 Escohotado runs for his life

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 06:58:54 2020 No.16700549 >>16698386 Mexicans doesn't help to spanish consideration indeed. And the most funny is that is probably the spanish more mixed with english you can find, a bastardized dialect that no one likes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 07:01:18 2020 No.16700551 >>16695732 the Finnish empire ruled large parts of Asia and Europe when it reigned .

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 07:11:32 2020 No.16700577 >>16690564 for philosophy german is as if not more important than english

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 07:23:01 2020 No.16700604 >>16698386 >anglo ressentment towards the spanish language I've never seen this. The inverse on the other hand I've seen in spades.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 11:03:44 2020 No.16701501 >>16690580 >we're in the same ranking as actually relevant languages LET'S GO LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 11:06:11 2020 No.16701513 File: 94 KB, 641x360, 160097368592.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16700548 >TU TIENES UNA CITA CON ESPAÑA

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 11:21:43 2020 No.16701589 >>16691280 nigger what? nietzsche might be the most relevant philosopher rn

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 11:22:51 2020 No.16701594 >>16701501 Stop shitting on your own culture

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 11:31:58 2020 No.16701656 >>16691986 we're not talking about anglos

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 11:57:21 2020 No.16701801 File: 28 KB, 763x639, 1521753750558.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16701513 Kek, saved

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 12:03:29 2020 No.16701834 >>16691220 This

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 12:39:51 2020 No.16701978 >>16701594 insha'allah, i'm cheering it's that weird monky feel when you randomly see your irrelevant shithole mentioned

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 12:49:42 2020 No.16702015

>>16700604
The resentment towards Spanish stems from a sense of class superiority. Anglophones see themselves as the most important and powerful nation on the world, while Spanish speakers are usually associated with crime ridden hellholes full of poverty and corruption, whose inhabitants try to escape in order to live in the "land of opportunity". Basically, the tongue of a lower caste. Thus, in most English speaking circles, at least among the average Joes, Spanish is the tongue of housekeepers, gardeners, drug traffickers, illegal immigrants or, if you're a leftist, the tongue of a poor oppressed minority whose only characteristic is being mistreated by whites.
Not to say that there is no animosity the other way around; there's plenty of it too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 14:16:22 2020 No.16702357 Only slightly related but have any of you guys noticed that some languages just don't work when sung in Operas? Like italian and german can sound great, but english sounds awful, same for portuguese and french.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 15:06:54 2020 No.16702605 Chaucer was an incel. He wrote poems moaning about how he wants to break women's necks.

Anonymous Mon Nov 2 15:11:41 2020 No.16702630

>>16697313
>If your literary tradition doesn't have writers that are well regarded enough to be translated into English, it's not worth looking into.
English is just an ugly language for trade and movies for the plebs, no wonder a more articulate language like Dutch doesnt win your favour.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 16:48:12 2020 No.16703185 >>16702630 Cope

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 17:32:20 2020 No.16703405 File: 747 KB, 1500x1198, A1D39265-0D27-4832-A4F4-A6CA7D4CBBD9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm worried people here don't realise that the divine comedy is the pinnacle of literature

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 17:39:24 2020 No.16703437 File: 14 KB, 200x209, 200px-Dalriada.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16703405 Weird way to put Ossian's Fingal

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 18:12:59 2020 No.16703587 >>16703437 >Ossian's Fingal literally who

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 18:48:17 2020 No.16703777 >>16700394 No it really doesn't. Wagner was a big influence on a number if modernist writers and the earliest film score composers followed his music.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 2 19:33:36 2020 No.16703965 >>16702630 More articulate language than Dutch? You could probably translate this sentence into Dutch just by doubling all the vowels.

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