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Is making genre fiction out of history a hack or genius move?

>> No.16689711
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>>16689701
It's just a move anon. Historical fiction can reach great heights or it can be Bernard Cornwell. Both are fine.

>> No.16689894

We can return to this question after Dies Irae is literary canon decades from now

>> No.16689899

>>16689894
I have some chuuni weeb friend online who begged me to play this, and it was a thousand times worse than that Fate garbage. What's the fucking appeal? Umineko is the only decent VN I played so far.

>> No.16689904

>>16689899
There is no real appeal. It’s not very good, just like some canonized works.

>> No.16689910

>>16689701
I want to see books with fantasy elements like magic but they take place in historic times. It would be kino

>> No.16689913

>>16689910
Fata Morgana

>> No.16689921

>>16689913
Heard of it but never got around to playing it, now I've been granted the motivation to dive into it. Thank you anon

>> No.16689924

>>16689904
I can't tell if you're stupid or really snobbish.

>> No.16689931

>>16689701
that's what GRRM did

>> No.16689940

>>16689924
Bit of both. I don’t really care for quality or enjoyability, though. Even though dies irae was torturous for me, I still appreciated reading it since it opened up more conversations with my own chuuni weeb online friend

>> No.16689950

>>16689940
That sounds like more trouble than worth.

>> No.16689965

>>16689950
Yeah but, just like you, I’ve also subjected myself to more torturous chuunis like nasu’s stuff just to have the experience of it. There’s a weeblike tendency to have to consume as much information as possible that’s key in driving people to read these vns

>> No.16690060
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How are VNs so long?

>> No.16690086

>>16690060
Start writing one of your own for a few months and you’ll see how approaching writing this way makes it easier to churn out these lengths. Also become aware of how everything in the animesphere references the same themes and ideas, so you have at least 200k+ words right off the bat if you can stretch out those themes and apply them to something semi autobiographical

>> No.16690091

>>16690086
>Also become aware of how everything in the animesphere references the same themes and ideas
Most books do too, though

>> No.16690095

>>16690091
You’re totally right. Anime is just far more obvious about it

>> No.16690108

>>16689910
I have actually had a thought of writing a trilogy of novels like this, meticulously researched, involving immediate pre-Revolution France.

>> No.16690118

>>16690060
>9500pages
>300000 words
thats like 30 words per page
also >>16690086 is correct that the writing in popular japanese anime/manga/etc is often very bad with always the same tropes

>> No.16690132

>>16690118
>very bad
Never said this bro

>> No.16690134

>>16690118
>is correct that the writing in popular japanese anime/manga/etc is often very bad with always the same tropes
Yeah but even YA writers can't churn out this many words. I'm guessing the 820k wordcount includes scenes that are repeated in the other routes too, so let's say it's 540k words. Fate/SN was worked on between 2001-08-13 (release of kagetsu tohya, the previous project) and 2003-01-11 (relase of fate/sn) yet they were still able to pump out something half the size of the whole harry potter series

>> No.16690144

>>16690134
I should've added that those dates are a presumption that they weren't already writing fate/sn at the same time as their last project

>> No.16690147

>>16690134
>>16690144
nevermind I'm retarded, fate/sn came out in 2004

>> No.16690153

>>16690134
It’s probably because of how Nasu, like other vn writers, have no restraints to their imagination. There’s also barely any restriction on the content that they can put in their works, whereas YA writers are avoiding taboos and conforming to what’s appropriate for children. There’s also a tendency for vn writers to disrespect their own work by forcibly creating memes, making fun of their own characters after reducing them to tropes in spite of whatever development they’ve given them, etc. So, despite what most haters will say, there’s a lack of pretension here that allows the ideas to flow more freely whereas YA writers are constraining their ideas

>> No.16690219
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Why am I so addicted to things based on aesthetics alone when I know they're crappily written YA? I need help.

>> No.16690232

>>16690219
It's easy to binge and digest because they are rather simple. Just like how normalfags can bingewatch netflix shows. When I was a neet I read 30 manga volumes a day because I was bored.

>> No.16690237

>>16690060
There is a fuckton of fillers. All the shit like each friend greeting each other in the morning, small talks and and other shit that would be thrown away without a second glance by a proper editor. But weebs eat that shit up because they want to simulate the social life they lack.

>> No.16690259

>>16690237
I would really like VNs if they got rid of the filler and you were able to finely control the speed of the auto mode.
It may be that I found them way too late in my life, since I cannot stand the pace / lack of editing.

>> No.16690284

>>16690259
Fata Morgana is filler free, but it’s also boring imo. It just becomes second rate fiction without the other ambient qualities that define the medium, for better or worse

>> No.16690703

>>16690153
>It’s probably because of how Nasu, like other vn writers, have no restraints to their imagination.
Japanese have no imagination, their brains are riddled with cliches.

>> No.16690836

>>16690703
There may be a better example than this, but have you seen Love Exposure?

>> No.16691214

>>16689701
What you thinking of doing op

>> No.16692206

>>16689899
Come on, dude. You can say that both Dies Irae and Fate are shit, but objectively there’s no fucking way in this world that Dies could be worse than Fate.