/SpGT/ Spanish General Thread

[Anonymous No.16685529]

El Cid edition

Welcome to the official thread for Spanish /lit/erature. Feel free to contribute with reviews on your favourite authors, books, fragments, own works (so we can criticize them :), new editions or publications, and the like...

>Websites with Spanish e-books:
https://pastebin.com/QpcU8gjG
>Torrent with +70000 ebooks in spanish:
https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=35208945
>Useful youtube channels:
https://pastebin.com/mqcBy9J0
>Read the Poem of Mio Cid here:
https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Cantar_de_mio_Cid

[Anonymous No.16685577]

>>16685529
Is 100years of solitude the greatest product of spanish literature? I've read that Bloom liked Love in times of Cholera more but for me there is just no point if comparison between the two.

[Anonymous No.16685596]

>>16685577
Obviously it's not. It might be the best product of literature in Spanish, though. I haven't read it yet.

[Anonymous No.16685607]

>>16685577
It is great, but the king is still Don Quixote.

[Anonymous No.16685648]

>>16685607
Don Quixote is praised so often among literary and educational circles in Spain, and so many great works of literature are always spoken of as "the greatest literary work of all time, save for Don Quixote" or "a new Quixote", that sometimes I wonder how much of its merits are its own, and how much it's part of the grander narrative that's been built around it and which pushes us to always hold it in such high regard. I have read it and it is one of the best books I've ever read, but I am concerned that the astonishing amount of praise it receives might be partly out of intellectual and social pressure, if that makes sense. Like, Spain compensating for her irrelevancy in so many areas by always bringing up the fact that such a magnificent book was created by one of her children.

[Anonymous No.16685670]

What's your opinion on this publisher?
I think it's expensive as fuck, but it's personally my favorite.

[Anonymous No.16685758]

>>16685648
Well, it was the first novel written in the western world, and it was very revolutionary for its time.
Also, let's remember that Don Quixote was first praised by the english and the first, enemies of Spain, before the own spaniards recognized its real genius.

[Anonymous No.16685765]

Is Clara Bueno /ourgirl/?
https://youtu.be/QEBmKLgx7q4
https://youtu.be/KFVpi1tlDGU

[Anonymous No.16685789]

Good day Anones, what are your fine eyes reading on this beatiful day? What is the aspect that you most enjoy of what you're currently reading? I started the Niebelungenlied yesterday

[Anonymous No.16685790]

>>16685765
Is this a man?

[SAGE No.16685815]

>>16685765
is she related or is it just a coincidence?

[Anonymous No.16685893]

>>16685529
alguien ha leído a alejandro zambra? qué opinan de él?

[Anonymous No.16685898]

>>16685893
meme chileno

[Anonymous No.16685908]

>>16685765
el nepo

[Anonymous No.16685930]

>>16685529
I'm reading La región más transparente, by Carlos Fuentes, but I'm not sure how should I pronounce the name Ixca:
>Ixca with an /x/, like the American pronunciation of Mexico?
>Ixca with an /s/ like the x in xylophone?
>Ixca with an Spanish /j/, as the Spanish pronunciation of the x in Mexico?
>Ixca with an /sh/ as in the sound x had in ancient Spanish?
>Ixca pronounced any other way?

[Anonymous No.16685933]

>>16685790
No
>>16685815
Mere coincidence

[Anonymous No.16685936]

>>16685758
It is the first novel, but is just because of its innovation (a real breakthrough) or because of its own intrinsic qualities? Did Cervantes really reached the highest form of the novel as he invented it? It just sounds strange that the prototype, so to speak, could also be the absolute height of the medium it inaugurated

[Anonymous No.16685947]

>>16685930
Ixka

[Anonymous No.16685948]

>>16685930
>Ixca with an /s/ like the x in xylophone?
Mexican here. This is the one. Same with names such as Xóchitl.

[Anonymous No.16685954]

>>16685898
desarolla po

[Anonymous No.16685958]

>>16685930
>Ixca with an /s/ like the x in xylophone?
This one.

[Anonymous No.16685961]

>>16685529
Who /letras hispánicas/ here?
Any reccs about theory, etc.? I want to educate myself.

>inb4 Jesús González Maestro

I already have that.

[Anonymous No.16685964]

>>16685577
Why is Cien años seemingly the only Spanish-language book native English speakers know or care about? It's a really good novel but there's more to Spanish-language literature than Márquez or realismo mágico.

[Anonymous No.16685970]

>>16685958
>>16685948
thx m8s

[Anonymous No.16685974]

>>16685961
ángel rama, severo sarduy, myself.

[Anonymous No.16686000]

>>16685961
Cortazar's Berkeley Lectures were published a while back
Sarduy's essays on the baroque are essential
Elizondo's Teoría del infierno is pretty good
I personally really like Ricardo Piglia and Borges's essays on Literature too

[Anonymous No.16686007]

>>16685961
Also, read Transculturación narrativa.

[Anonymous No.16686028]

>>16685529
Spaniard here. Does this links also includes translated books from out of Spain? And what genres?

[Anonymous No.16686041]

>>16686028
Yes.

[Anonymous No.16686046]

>>16685964
I'm not a native english speaker. But i assume that its popular because it resembles a 'telenovela' and it has a timeless feeling to it.

[Anonymous No.16686167]

>>16685961
Fundación Gustavo Bueno did some courses on literary theory if I'm not wrong. Along with Maestro there were other guys who have also written on that.

[Anonymous No.16686173]

>«El idioma español es un viejo vestido de novia que heredamos de nuestros antepasados y que estamos obligados a conservar incólume... pero los vestidos de novia antiguos no sirven más que para ponérselos y verse como cadáver. Es mucho mejor recortarlos y hacer de ellos camisas, que guardarlos entre naftalina.»
>t. Ibargüengoitia

so it's ok to use anglicisms or is that a pleb take?

[Anonymous No.16686178]

>>16685964
It has an epic sounding name, it's quite balanced like life (both positve and negative), it's easy to read, it's entertaining to read, it feels exotic.

[Anonymous No.16686184]

>>16685964
García Márquez*

[Anonymous No.16686186]

where do I start reading poetry?
recommendations on hispanic anthologies or authors are welcome

[Anonymous No.16686196]

>>16686186
Federico García Lorca
César Vallejo
Pablo Neruda

[Anonymous No.16686202]

>>16686173
I love Ibargüengoitia but this is a pleb opinion. The Spanish language is not an "old wedding dress." It's the clothes we wear everyday. Also, I don't have the full context, was he talking in favor of anglicisms?

[Anonymous No.16686298]

Where do I start with Gustavo Bueno? I want to get /philomat/.
I've already read his articles on theater, poetry and Don Quixote.

[Anonymous No.16686319]

Tema(s) del hilo: https://youtu.be/el7V9-IRGnM

[Anonymous No.16686368]

>>16685670
I want the bilingual Rimbaud like you wouldn't believe ...

[Anonymous No.16686385]

>>16685670
Unnecessarily expensive shit. Editorial apantallapendejos.

>>16685758
>it was the first novel written in the western world
First *modern* novel, that qualification is very important.

>>16685936
>I wonder how much of its merits are its own, and how much it's part of the grander narrative
There's always something about cultural products that makes them fertile ground for ideological agendas, but in the case of El Quijote the praise is very much due to its own merit. Read it and find it out. It really developed and explored all the techniques of narrative fiction, and then some.

>>16685930
>Ixca with an /sh/ as in the sound x had in ancient Spanish?
This. Ishca.

[Anonymous No.16686397]

>>16686173
>>16686202
based retards

[Anonymous No.16686635]

>>16686184
Corrígeme bien:
Gabo*

[Anonymous No.16686675]

>>16686186
Manrique
Gongora
Quevedo
Garcilaso
Calderón de la Barca
Sor Juana
Lorca

[Anonymous No.16686708]

>>16685964
Plebs easy choice bc its postmodern and written in Spanish

[Anonymous No.16687020]

>>16686675
Yeah, start reding poetry with Góngora. Solid advice.

[Anonymous No.16687035]

>>16686635
That's not his name.

[Anonymous No.16687239]

>>16685930
ixca es nombre de hombre o de mujer? nunca en mi vida lo había escuchado.

[Anonymous No.16688295]

>>16686298
I would recommend you to start with Materialist Essays, Theory of Categorical Closure and Spain Against Europe.

[Anonymous No.16688593]

>>16685893
no he leído sus ensayos (por algo se llamarán No leer) ni sus libros memes tipo Facsímil, solo sus novelas y cuentos. Creo que lo mejor vendría siendo Formas de volver a casa y sus cuentos; sus dos primeras novelas son exactamente iguales y puedes leerlas ya que no deben tener más de diez páginas quitándole los espacios. La última es un bodrio que probablemente escribió por compromiso editorial, lee bajo tu propio riesgo.

[Anonymous No.16688657]

¿Existe algún libro que otorgue buenos consejos para escribir en español? Se que la mayoría son memes, pero si alguien sabe de uno que de buenos tips estaría agradecido

[Anonymous No.16688825]

>>16685936
>It just sounds strange that the prototype, so to speak, could also be the absolute height of the medium it inaugurated
Same shit happened with the works of Homer.

[Anonymous No.16688832]

>El Cid's first two pages are forever lost
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.16688934]

>>16688657
just read more bro

[Anonymous No.16688941]

>>16688657
dude just b yourself

[Anonymous No.16688964]

>>16688657
Esta esta guía con algunos libros, pero espero que alguien pueda dar mejores recomendaciones.
Estoy también de acuerdo con >>16688934
leer en español te ayuda a escribir en español, pero deben de haber libros de redacción y estilo que ayuden con ensayos académicos,etc

[Anonymous No.16689145]

>>16685790
No (formerly man).

[Anonymous No.16689188]

>>16688825
Completely different things.

[Anonymous No.16689194]

>>16685529
Los Efectos de la Pornografía en tu Cerebro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=809HGrjPEDI

Ojalá no sean adictos al porno.

[Anonymous No.16689198]

>>16689194
llegas como 4 anios tarde.

[Anonymous No.16689279]

>>16689194
Pseudoscientifc trash. Talk me when Nature or Science publish a serious research about the subject. Obviously, anything in excess is a poison.

[Anonymous No.16689314]

>>16685648
>>16685758
Also it almost reads like philosophy and poetry at times.

[Anonymous No.16689323]

>>16685930
Isca and ishca are both right. Also the scene with the escapees it’s my fav.

[Anonymous No.16689346]

>>16688832
how will el idioma español ever recover from this?

[Anonymous No.16689349]

>>16686186
1.Easy
Gustavo A. Bequer
Neruda
Mario Benedetti
Jaime sabines

2.Once u get into it u need
Lorca
Machado
Vallejo

3. Take it a bit further with
Quevedo
De la Cruz
And reread 2

[Anonymous No.16689372]

>>16689349
Lorca is 3
Machado is 1.
Gongora is 4.


BTW Benedetti is totally bro-tier.

[Anonymous No.16689381]

>>16689279
Deja las pajas de una vez.

[Anonymous No.16689444]

>>16689381
Never. Stop wasting time and money reading pseudocientific christian self-help books and read Gustavo Bueno's books instead.

Daily reminder that Gary Wilson "research" and NoFap and No Nut November christian anti masturbation/pornography movements are bullshit, also daily reminder that pornography addiction doesn't exist and it's just a meme.

[Anonymous No.16689454]

>>16689372
Yeah Lorca for me it’s 2 and 3 that’s y I said reread 3, Machado is also complex but ppl sleep on him and put him on par with Sabines. Góngora would be 2 and 3

[Anonymous No.16689459]

>>16689444
no onions el mismo anon.
No es que este de acuerdo o en desacuerdo.
pero quiero compartir esta imagen.

[Anonymous No.16689471]

>>16689444
Philosophical materialism refutes chronic masturbation, though.

[Anonymous No.16689540]

>>16689459
Haha, and it's the same bullshit that says all of the religions: the pursuit of pleasure is the pursuit of sin and the ruin of mankind.

Time to know your place.

[Anonymous No.16689545]

>>16689471
Explain further, or GTFO.

[Anonymous No.16689548]

>>16689444
lol porque todo es un mito con este güey

[Anonymous No.16689557]

>>16689540
I don't know why religion lives rent-free in your head. The idea is that sexual distractions are temporary and make you a slave of mere sensory pleasures while the opposite, that is continence and regulation, makes you see the truth by clearing your worldview from all these enslaving distractions. Either way, I'm not in the convincing-filthy-coomers business. Just wanted to tell you that your interpretation is as shit as your habits..

[Anonymous No.16689558]

>>16689548
Read his books, or at least watch his lectures and videos on YT.

[Anonymous No.16689561]

>>16689188
Iliad was never surpassed.
Only thing that makes it any competition is Divine Comedy, and there's an strench to call it properly an Epic. There's some elements but it edifies something else.

[Anonymous No.16689564]

>>16689548
Señal clara de que estamos frente a un charlatán y supuesto "desmitificador".

[Anonymous No.16689570]

>>16689561
>Iliad was never surpassed.
The Aeneid is better. Maybe not historically but literary-wise.

[Anonymous No.16689572]

>>16689548
Solo existen tres cosas en el mundo: El cierre categorial, el ego trascendental y España.

[Anonymous No.16689577]

>>16689572
España no existe. Solo un montón de gente que habla diferentes idiomas y están en un mismo territorio. El español promedio llama a su lengua "castellano" porque tiene miedo de ofender a las minorías que también hablan un "idioma español".

[Anonymous No.16689580]

>>16689557
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. You're just fucking delusional, anon, take your meds, and go back to /pol/ and never come back.

[Anonymous No.16689588]

>>16689577
Indeed. Daily reminder that nationalism is a meme.

[Anonymous No.16689593]

>>16689570
It lacks the soul, it's a masterfully example of the heights of what the domain of ones language can make but it's utmost a farce, an excercise, laicist literature, a prefabricated cage and a simulation of a long written society. Appropiate for Rome, it shows.

[Anonymous No.16689594]

>>16689580
>Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.
Quoting dead writers won't stop you from being a disgusting chronic masturbator.
>You're just fucking delusional, anon, take your meds, and go back to /pol/ and never come back.
Truth hurts, doesn't it? If you stop wanking, you are much more likely to see the world clearer.

[Anonymous No.16689598]

>>16689588
And therefore, Spain is a meme as is any other "nation".

[Anonymous No.16689612]

>>16689594
Postmodernism has eaten away your brain, and stop replying me fucking autistic retard.

[Anonymous No.16689630]

>>16689593
The Iliad isn't even literature. And the soul isn't in the text itself. All texts are soulless. The reader is the one who brings his own "soul" to his reading experience. The Aeneid is not any more "prefabricated" than the Divine Comedy, Paradise Lost, Ulysses, Borges' works or any other literary piece inspired by other literary sources.

[Anonymous No.16689635]

>>16689612
You are quoting one of the most prominent postmodern writers and you badmouth postmodernism? Ironic. Either way, this advice has nothing to do with postmodernism.

[Anonymous No.16689795]

>>16689635
>Dick is a postmodernist writer
Are you that stupid? I think you don't know the true meaning of that word.
>Advice
I don't give a fuck about your stupid life advice.

>Wanking is bad
I think promoting pseudoscience is more dangerous and time consuming than masturbation and watching porn. "Clearing your worldview", my ass.

You don't have even have a little piece of scientific evidence that pornography causes addition, just a bunch of retarded testimonies of people that can't handle its life, or that have other and more serious psychological disorders and delusions. Gary Wilson is promoting a delusional and dangerous idea, and this is a fact, not a belief.

Promote your retarded anti masturbation/porn/sex agenda at /pol/ and not here.

[Anonymous No.16689832]

>>16689795
>Dick is a postmodernist writer
Yes.
>I don't give a fuck about your stupid life advice.
Oh, it shows, you're shameless chronic masturbator.
>"Clearing your worldview", my ass.
It makes you see things clearer, yes.
>Gary Wilson is promoting a delusional and dangerous idea, and this is a fact, not a belief.
It's a believe of yours.

I challenge you to spend one month without masturbating to pornography like a degenerate. If you can, you win. If you can't, I win. If you avoid this challenge you automatically lose.

[Anonymous No.16689837]

>>16689598
A nation is a tool made for the convinience of its inhabitants, it demands some sacrifices in order to be effective, however that doesn't mean the inhabitants owe anything to the nation they build.

[Anonymous No.16689937]

>>16689832

Dick has several postmodernist short stories and novels, but it wasn't a postmodernist, per se, but a critic of this movement. Retard, you never read The Dick.

Well, keep believing in your childish, puritan, biased and obtuse world views, and I keep wanking until the heat death of the universe. I prefer to be a coomer and degenerate than been a retard without a pinch of critical thinking.

[Anonymous No.16689959]

>>16689937
>Dick has several postmodernist short stories and novels, but it wasn't a postmodernist, per se, but a critic of this movement.
Many postmodernists were also "critics" of the "movement." Dick has many characteristics and themes of postmodernism to the point where calling him a postmodern writer doesn't seem wrong. Do you really think every postmodern writer (especially from that era) thought of himself as postmodern? lol
>I prefer to be a coomer and degenerate than been a retard without a pinch of critical thinking.
In other words, you can't, therefore, I win. Have a nice day, masturbator.

[Anonymous No.16690151]

>>16686298
Read the Greeks and the Christian philosophers that he learned from instead. Plato, Aristotle's Posterior Analytics, Feijóo, Sarmiento, etc. Start an in-depth study of German Idealism and phenomenology as well. Bueno won't do you much good until you've really understood what his critiques were aimed at.

[Anonymous No.16690164]

The world is the problem and hispanism is the solution.

[Anonymous No.16690179]

Jesús G. Maestro is the Spanish equivalent of Jordan B. Peterson.

[Anonymous No.16690223]

>>16689959

Congrats anon, you win! Here's you >(YOU)

>Coomer, wanker, masturbator, onanist, degenerate, slacker, pervert, depraved, immoral, vicious.

Yes.

>Stop masturbating, if you stop wanking, you can have clearer world view, wanking is bad, BAD!, stop wasting your time and your sperm, have a family of your own!, porn is evil, pornography is destroying your life, porn addiction is the new smoking, if you watching porn, you hate women, porn is for immature, lonely and sad men, watching porn rots your brain, porn is worst than drugs, porn is immoral.

No.

Keep sucking Wilson's cock.

P.S.: Masturbator sounds cool, though.

[Anonymous No.16690226]

>>16690179
You're a pendejo. Stop posting here.

[Anonymous No.16690238]

>>16686385
>Unnecessarily expensive shit. Editorial apantallapendejos.

You hate Atalanta because you're poor.

[Anonymous No.16690524]

>>16686385
>Unnecessarily expensive shit. Editorial apantallapendejos.
t. poorfag

[Anonymous No.16690826]

>>16690524
most hispanics are poor mang, please

[Anonymous No.16690922]

>>16689593
>It lacks the soul
>probably read a translation of a translation

[Anonymous No.16690933]

*invents literature*

[Anonymous No.16691082]

>>16688964
Thanks amigo, I'll check these

[Anonymous No.16691793]

In Juan de Valdez' "dialogo de la lengua" he mentions a romancero which he considers contains the best examples of spanish verse that fall in line with what he thinks is a good verse in spanish, it included Manrique among its selected author. Does anyone know the name of this romancero?

[Anonymous No.16691820]

>>16691793
Valdés*
Cancionero general*

[Anonymous No.16692077]

¿Qué opinan de Antonio J. Rodríguez?

[Anonymous No.16692214]

>Cervantes was jewish
He was still catholic even if ethno jew
>Cervantes was a gallego
Still spanish
>Cervantes was an atheist
The dude was rescued by the catholic church and his entire persiles & segismunda is basically him getting on his knees and sucking off the church.
No, sigismunda not becoming a nun at the end doesn't mean anything, plenty of catholic women marry. AS a matter of fact, i'd say the majority of them do.
>b-but spinoza
shut the fuck up, deism is practically none existant among hispanics

[Anonymous No.16692226]

>>16685961
Cristina Rivera Garza has a great book of essays called Los muertos indóciles, you might enjoy it. Josefina Ludmer is pretty good too. There are also many latinamerican writers who do more stuff on the structuralist side, but that's not very much my thing, but you could check out someone like Tacca if you haven't read much theory.
>>16688832
The lines the poem starts with right now are amazing, I really don't think the original first few lines could compare to
>de los sos ojos tan fuertemientre llorando

[Anonymous No.16692496]

>>16690238
>>16690524
You fucking wish, plebs. I even had the bilingual Rimbaud edition but sold it for a profit because it wasn't even that good. That Mil y una noches isn't even the best Spanish translation. I own the Hussain Hawaddy two-volume edition in Everyman's Library. See if you fags can even find it, let alone afford it.

[Anonymous No.16692682]

>>16692496
>la guerra del peloponeso, gredos edition
god I wish that were me

[Anonymous No.16692806]

>>16692496
How is the Rimbaud edition bad? It being bilingual just makes it extremely worth it if you can read French.
Nice Gredos by the way, I'm kind of sad I will never get the chance to buy those.

[Anonymous No.16692860]

>>16692806
>How is the Rimbaud edition bad?
I didn't say it was bad, I said it wasn't that good, i.e., as good as people advertise it. Mauro Armiño's translation is competent, and he certainly researched a lot in order to do it, but most of the time it reads like prose, not verse (even prose poems). If you want to buy it, go ahead, it's not a bad edition, but it is overpriced. The materials are rather shitty, and you could buy the Cátedra editions of complete prose and poetry for a fraction of the price. If you already can read French, then you're better off with the Pléiade edition, since you're willing to spend a big sum already.

[Anonymous No.16692871]

How good does my Spanish need to be in order to read Don Quixote?

[Anonymous No.16692945]

>>16692871
Fairly advanced I guess, not just for the vocabulary, but for the Spanish grammar of the time and it's weirder turns of phrases. For example think what level of English a person would require to properly parse the expression "all but one".
At any rate, you can find a few pages online and check for yourself. If you're truly interested you'd have invested a total of 10 minutes in attempting to read a few paragraphs to determine if it was a feasible enterprise.

[Anonymous No.16693060]

is maluco by napoleon baccino any good? picked it up at a second hand store today on a whim

[Anonymous No.16693120]

why doesn't he admit that he wants to straight up murder the separatists in his country?

[Anonymous No.16693233]

>>16692496
> Imaginense no tener la versión de Cansinos Assens, de la casa editorial Aguilar, I edición heredada se sus abueloa

Aunque siempre basado por Gredosposting

[Anonymous No.16693304]

>>16685529
>Hmm, I'll watch a Jesús G. Maestro video on Borges
>He talks at 300 words/min
¿Porques ustedes están así?

[Anonymous No.16693334]

>>16693304
ratatatatatatata

[Anonymous No.16693501]

>>16693304
If you can't talk at least 300+ spanish words per minute, consider yourself officially a retard.

[Anonymous No.16693516]

>>16692496
Lol rare books go brrrrrr

[Anonymous No.16693635]

Post Kino covers.

[Anonymous No.16693644]

Just reminder to love our language
https://youtu.be/voKy_PnnDNo
https://youtu.be/tm_JN4DzZE8
https://youtu.be/cwNDNMik20k
https://youtu.be/cU-HpAi0W58
https://youtu.be/e3A-udlDxKk
https://youtu.be/nMdo2jvXnUo
We have a very rich tradition in both literature and philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16693653]

[Anonymous No.16693662]

>>16693644
Gracias por esa selección, anón. Te juro que voy a ver cada uno de forma detenida, eventualmente.

[Anonymous No.16693687]

>>16693644
>Alberto Buela
>Gustavo Bueno
>Jesús G. Maestro
Holy based. Maybe add Pedro Insua, Iván Velez and María Roca Barea and you have the most based team ever.

[Anonymous No.16693781]

>>16693687
>Alberto Buela
who?
also i assume all these people are spanish (language) supremacists yes?

[Anonymous No.16693789]

>>16693781

>who buela

some filthy *rgentine. i tried watching the first video but had to turn it off after 25 minutes of him saying absolutely nothing of value

[Anonymous No.16693793]

>>16693781
Buela is an argentinian heideggerian philosopher.
And no, they are not spanish supremacists, but they are hispanists who defend our language and history.

[Anonymous No.16693827]

>>16693793
>>16693789
don't argies speak italian though?

[Anonymous No.16693950]

>>16693827
Argentinian spanish is italian with extra steps

[Anonymous No.16694025]

>>16693653

[Anonymous No.16694045]

>>16693635
these were all the rage like 20 years ago, I don't think I ever even skimmed one of them. la fuerza de sheccid and shit, there were quite a few and then nobody spoke about them ever again.

[Anonymous No.16694060]

[Anonymous No.16694078]

>>16693827
They don’t. They speak Spanish, they have an accent that you could say has Italian influence, but it’s still Spanish. They don’t even use Italian words. Reading an Argentinian writer isn’t any different from reading any other Spanish speaking writer.

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[Anonymous No.16694175]

>>16694078
i was just kidding

[Anonymous No.16694570]

>>16694550
Honduras agrees.

[Anonymous No.16694577]

>>16690151
Thanks anon. I also found this lecture about it.
https://youtu.be/LAUrHgYuBg8

[Anonymous No.16694359]

This is now the Anglo general. Adios, frijoleros.

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[Anonymous No.16694365]

God bless America.

[Anonymous No.16694366]

>>16694359
Lol no

[Anonymous No.16694367]

>>16694359
what other books have the same style as alice in wonderland? that was such a beautiful book I feel grateful I learned english since I was able to read it

[Anonymous No.16694381]

>>16693120
I remember one of Gustavo Bueno conferences about separatists
>No digo que haya que usar las armas... aunque tampoco digo que no

[Anonymous No.16694398]

>>16694366
>Spanish Armada

>>16694367
You might like Lear, can't remember his first name. If you look up "Lear nonsense verse" you should be able to find something related to him. There was also a writer who wrote something called Flatland (I think Abbott was his name) that is somewhat similar.

[Anonymous No.16694403]

I miss this lil'nigga like you wouldn't believe

[Anonymous No.16694622]

What do you think of La Regenta by Clarín? Is it good? Maestro praises it a lot

[Anonymous No.16694412]

>>16694398
Destroyed by the climate. Anglos got btfo'd by a half-man in numerical inferiority.

[Anonymous No.16694414]

>>16694398
thanks, gonna check them out
someday i hope to write the spanish alice and the spanish jabberwocky

[Anonymous No.16694626]

>>16694622
>homosexual propaganda

[Anonymous No.16694439]

>>16694381
You know that he's gonna say some based stuff when he takes off his glasses.

[Anonymous No.16694440]

>>16694398
>>16694414
>>16694359
Why are you guys so upset about one (1) thread devoted to Spanish lit? The rest of the board is Anglo-Centric, it's not like you guys are being drowned out. And while English has many great writers, LatAm + Spain has contributed much too.

(Confieso que yo mucho quiero escribir una libra en Español una dia. Es por eso que estudio Español.)

[Anonymous No.16694637]

>>16694622
It is great. Clarín is comparable to Flaubert or Tolstoy.

[Anonymous No.16694451]

>>16694440
i figured out that someone who likes english lit so much he refers to it as english lit must have known about english lit (in style) similar to alice in wonderland so i decided to ask him

[Anonymous No.16694536]

>>16694440
I, Sixto Enrique de Borbón, legitimate King of Spain, name you an Honorary Hispanic.
Goodspeed anon.

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[Anonymous No.16694550]

>>16694545
Don't care, Cervantes is still better and far more innovative than Willy

[Anonymous No.16694556]

>>16694536
Don Sixto! I kneel

[Anonymous No.16694742]

>>16694536
Gracias :)

[Anonymous No.16694767]

>>16694570
Based Honduras

[Anonymous No.16695744]

i started to read Pedo Paramo yesterday and i have no idea what's going on in that town, i have no idea about the characters and i didn't understand the timeline. do i have a smol brain or what?

[Anonymous No.16695751]

>>16695744
>Pedo Paramo
yeah that should be Pedro but this way is better i guess lol.

[Anonymous No.16696016]

>>16694403
why? are they closed?

[Anonymous No.16696031]

>>16693644
>Maestro: language is a technology
>you after posting Maestro's vid: love a technology
does it make sense?

[Anonymous No.16696459]

https://bibliotecaignoria.blogspot.com/2019/08/alberto-laiseca-la-momia-del-clavicordio.html
Spanish is my second language, what does Laiseca mean when he says "la raza discontinua de los bofes putrefactibles"

[Anonymous No.16696467]

>>16696459
ni idea me suena a insulto

[Anonymous No.16696474]

>>16696467
what does "bofe" mean?

[Anonymous No.16696928]

>>16696474
Do you not know there's an official dictionary for the Spanish language?

[Anonymous No.16696958]

>>16695744
no it's meant to be re-read a few times
if you do some research it'll become clear for you but if you read it by yourself eventually you'll understand it

[Anonymous No.16696983]

>>16696474
>bofe
pulmón de res para consumo humano o animal

Check a dictionary next time

[Anonymous No.16698172]

bump

[Anonymous No.16698329]

>>16696459
A mummy or mummies, my man. He speaks about egyptologists in that very same sentence.

[Anonymous No.16698393]

Why is modernist literature so ugly?

[Anonymous No.16698847]

>>16694381
>>16694439
how is killing other people based

[Anonymous No.16699370]

>ywn be born to rich /lit/ parents and become professor in philosophy at 25
Why even live?

[Anonymous No.16699395]

Temblando, con el frontal partido por el marrón, por el marronero, cae sobre sus costillas, pesada como un mundo, la res. Cae con estrépito, de bruces sobre el cemento, balando al descuajarse su osamenta, ya sólo un pobre costillar enorme, ya sólo un pobre cuero y sangre, media tonelada de huesos astillados, hincados en toda esa vida temblorosa y atónita.

Ahí se va alzando, como un pesado pingajo, atrapada por la pata por un gancho que le salta arriba, que la alza por un ojal abierto en el garrón de un cuchillazo en plena estupidez sentimental, en plena media tonelada de monstruoso dolor, incomprensible, absurdo, balando, plañidera y tonta, como un escarabajo que no piensa, mientras medita lentamente por qué duele tanto y por qué duele qué parte de quién, que es ella misma, la res, abierta al descuartizamiento atroz por todas partes, que nunca habían dolido y que eran tantas partes, tan extensas... y que pastando nunca habían dolido... haciendo leche, esperma, músculos, crin y cuero y cornamenta viva, que eran la vida misma manando hacia sus adentros, vibrando tiernamente como un sol cálido hacia sus adentros... y nunca habían dolido.

Ya está colgada. Las patas delanteras se enderezan, se endurecen y avanzan hacia adelante y hacia arriba, implorantes y fatalmente rígidas, rematadas en cortas pezuñas que hace un instante amasaban el barro del corral, el estiércol de otros cien balidos, dinosaurios del siglo de las máquinas, nacidos para morir de un marronazo. Ahora ya es carne azul colgada en la heladera: "Uruguay for export."

Aquella res, que murió de un marronazo, cayó y tembló todo el frigorífico. Aquella otra res que recibió el marronazo en plena frente, de dos dedos de espesor, mientras entraba al tubo desconfiando porque allí no había pasto, alcanzó a comprender que había otra res delante, balando, que ya se la llevaba el gancho, y cayó detrás, también, y el cemento tembló bajo esos huesos. Aquella otra res, que esquivó el marronazo y que cayó también, con un ojo reventado y una guampa partida, deshecha, también cayó y tembló la tierra, tembló el marrón. Tembló el marronero. La res murió, temblando de dolor y de miedo, de un marronazo en plena frente "for export" del Uruguay.

[Anonymous No.16699411]

>>16685529
Has anyone here read this? What's your opinion on María Roca Barea?

[Anonymous No.16699430]

>>16699395
Based Zitarrosa

[Anonymous No.16699453]

Who's your favorite character of the Poem of Mio Cid? Mine is Álvar Fáñez.

[Anonymous No.16699460]

>>16699453
>¡Albricias, Álvar Fáñez, que echados somos de tierra!
Fucking love that line

[Anonymous No.16699473]

Can someone else tell him to keep making the 30 Most Important Works of Literature series? I already sent him an email.

[Anonymous No.16699499]

>>16698393
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.16699506]

>>16699411
I haven't read that one yet, but she is pretty good.
Imperiofobia y Leyenda Negra is a must read for any spanish-speaker, and 6 Relatos Ejemplares is quite good too.

[Anonymous No.16699512]

>>16699460
"Albricias" is such a beautiful word.

[Anonymous No.16699529]

Shilling this book for a million time. This new edition is really nice, although kind of expensive I guess

[Anonymous No.16699569]

Can we take a moment to discuss Gustavo Bueno's texts on literature?
http://www.filosofia.org/hem/195/95312gb.htm
http://www.filosofia.org/hem/195/rid46111.htm
http://www.filosofia.org/hem/197/jc1977gb.htm
http://nodulo.org/ec/2007/n070p12.htm
http://nodulo.org/ec/2005/n046p02.htm

[Anonymous No.16699601]

>>16699529
Thanks anon, will check it out

[Anonymous No.16699823]

>>16699506
expensive books

[Anonymous No.16699878]

>>16699506
Why is Imperiofobia a must-read? I'm about to go to university in Spain, so perhaps I'll meet somebody else shilling for it.

[Anonymous No.16699923]

>>16696958
oh got it. thanks for the clarification.

[Anonymous No.16700447]

>>16685577
Honestly I've tried reading it several times and it reads like the stories I was forced to peer review in college creative writing.

[Anonymous No.16700451]

>>16685648
Like >>16685758 said, the fact that it is so great combined with it's revolutionary structure is what cements its status.

[Anonymous No.16700806]

the spanish language has so many great writers like Cervantes, Borges, the list goes on...

[Anonymous No.16701304]

>ywn be a radical mid-70s poet in DF

[Anonymous No.16701382]

>>16699395
Cried the first time I heard Guitarra Negra

[Anonymous No.16701429]

>>16699878
It debunks many of the commonly held myths about the Spanish Empire.

[Anonymous No.16701467]

>>16701429
This. Along with Iván Velez and Pedro Insua, she's a must read for anyone interested in the history of the spanish empire.

[Anonymous No.16701667]

>>16701429
Sounds pro-Empire. Is it biased or an actual work of History?

[Anonymous No.16701674]

>>16701304
Todos muertos en el Alconazo.

[Anonymous No.16701710]

>>16701667
It is an historical essay about the Spanish Black Legend, it is a bit biased, but it's still a great work, and has a lot of historical works on which it bases its thesis.

[Anonymous No.16701730]

>>16701674
not even close lol they didnt form as a group until like 4 years after corpus christi. Los infrarrealistas were more of a reaction to the dirty war.

[Anonymous No.16702283]

Bumo

[Anonymous No.16702298]

>>16701710
Ese libro fue muy polémico porque la autora se inventaba las citas y cambiaba constantemente las cifras de las fuentes que pretendidamente había consultado para escribirlo.

[Anonymous No.16702364]

>>16702298
lol that's a serious claim, doesn't maestro have a vid on it?
would be pretty dissapointed if it turned out he was someone dishonest

[Anonymous No.16702374]

>>16685529
do mexicans reallt have the worst spanish accent?
i feel so ashamed when people say this

[Anonymous No.16702424]

>>16702374
>worse accent
That would be the Chileans
Mexicans have ugly mannerisms, very weird and infantile sounding words, a lot of diminutives. Even their president sounds like a farmer with the mental development of a teenager. I once watched a debate with Borges, a skinny Mexican writer (very verborragic, with curly hair) that's been compared to Borges (Ulloa or something, can't remember) and a few others.
I didn't like what this guy said, but the worst part was how he said it.
They seem to have a very narrow scope on how to communicate in a more neutral Spanish because they ignore not everyone uses their dumb localisms.
I've watched dozens of hours of Mexican cooking shows and it hasn't improved my opinion of their language, at all.

[Anonymous No.16702458]

>>16702424
>I've watched dozens of hours of Mexican cooking shows
Sound like you have a LOT of free time....

[Anonymous No.16702466]

>>16702424
yea I guess all of the colloquialisms are an acquired taste, but for me, when spoken well, mexican spanish is the most "neutral" sounding.

[Anonymous No.16702468]

>>16702458
I do, but maybe if you watched 30 min of something almost every day for months and years, numbers tend to accumulate into larger figures. Who'd have thunk

[Anonymous No.16702584]

>>16702424
You sound like a faggot.
Your local spanish is probably abhorrent, but you are accustomed to it.
There is no 'neutral' spanish.

[Anonymous No.16702642]

>>16702424
what spanish accent is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf1Od9nHpQI
I think it's the most beautiful accent to speak spanish with, barring the guy's voice which probably boosts the sound
im a mexican btw

[Anonymous No.16702647]

>>16702584
And you sound like an absolute retard, which, considering your place of origin, is not exactly surprising.
By neutral, I was clearly referring to excluding localisms from communication, not accent or pronouns (tú, vos).
You thought I was referring to what's known in writing circles and dubbing agencies as "español neutro", again, understandable from your shitty thought process and, perhaps, hurt nationalism. I said "more neutral" Spanish, didn't I?

Btw, when writing in English, language names should be capitalized, btw. It's Spanish, not spanish.

[Anonymous No.16702648]

>>16702642
yea as a mexican i also find spanish from spain to be the best

[Anonymous No.16702658]

>>16702648
yeah but I'm sure they, like us, probably have gazillion of spanish accent/dialects
a guy from sevilla would use the th a lot, I don't know if he was just forcing the accent since he was here but he would say thevilla thola (sola) thomos (somos) etc.

[Anonymous No.16702673]

>>16702642
It sounds like a Spaniard's accent.
Comparing the speech of actors and anchormen isn't ideal because they've practiced their diction and how to project their voice a lot better than your average pedestrian Spanish or Spanish speaking people.

[Anonymous No.16702688]

>>16702673
well yeah you wouldn't judge a people as being bad musician because the average lad can't hold an instrument and play it. everybody has lazy speakers (spain, chile, etc.) it doesn't matter so I think it makes sense to seek out our prolific speakers from our countries as the best representants of our countries' dialects, accents, etc. like the guy who said that our president sounds like a farmer which granted he came from a region (tabasco) that is known and laughed at by the entire country itself - not just the outside - as having the worse accent in the country

[Anonymous No.16702698]

>>16702688
>you wouldn't judge a people as being bad musician because the average lad can't hold an instrument and play it
This is one of the worst analogies I've read in a long while.

[Anonymous No.16702713]

>>16702698
well are you gonna tell me where he's from or not

[Anonymous No.16702745]

>>16702647
>So hurt about getting called a faggot you had to resort to a stupid detail on my grammar.
You just sound like a pouty girl, man. And this new post didn't make you any favors.

>You thought I was referring to what's known in writing circles and dubbing agencies as "español neutro", again, understandable from your shitty thought process and, perhaps, hurt nationalism.
I said "more neutral" Spanish, didn't I?
No, I didn't think that, you just assumed I did. I just think every nation still has its own perspective of what constitutes neutral spanish language. I'm certain that there are words that you think aren't localisms and that you think of as 'neutral spanish'. I'm just saying things are more complex than you think they are.
It's also funny how you accuse me of nationalism when it was you who bashed a whole nation just because you watched some low iq tv program about cooking and some interview with Borges and other guy you don't even remember the name of. You're clearly biased, hypocritical, retarded, and also gay, very gay.

[Anonymous No.16702811]

Does anyone know if anyone irl held the idea in Borges' Ficciones that men and mirrors despicable because they multiply men
It sounds like a really cool idea that a middle eastern gnostic might have actually had

[Anonymous No.16702965]

Caballo de troya de JJ Benítez. Qué me podéis decir de este libro? Esta basado o es una invención?
Tengo los opción de hacerme con el y me gustaría leer alguna opinión.

[Anonymous No.16703081]

after DQ which novel in the spanish language is considered the GOAT?

[Anonymous No.16703110]

>>16702745
>You just sound like a pouty girl, man.
And you sound like a narrow minded brainlet who can't dissociate ideas.
>I'm certain that there are words that you think aren't localisms and that you think of as 'neutral spanish'.
I'm going by the RAE's dictionary, which describes localized definitions very clearly. For example, if I were to insult someone I wouldn't call then huevón, pinche buey, boludo, etc. I'd just call them stupid which is neutral across all countries.
>of what constitutes neutral spanish language.
Exactly the reason why I used the phrase "more neutral". "More" is a relative, see?. I never spoke of The Neutral Spanish, because I doubt it even exists, but you insist on missing that crucial "more".
>It's also funny how you accuse me of nationalism
And this is where I know I'm dealing with a retard with a subpar reading comprehension. You want to discuss literature, language, philosophy and literary criticism and can't even parse a simple line.
Language and communication involve nuances you seem unable to grasp, making you quickly assume positions and things never said.
I never accused you of nationalism, because I don't know you. I only hinted at it. This is what I said
>perhaps, hurt nationalism
See that "perhaps"? What exactly do you think it means? It was obviously part of a 'chicana', a witty retort.
>it was you who bashed a whole nation just because you watched some low iq tv program about cooking
Even more shitty reading comprehension. If I'd been your teacher I would've failed you.
I never bashed the nation of Mexico. I was very specific in bashing their accent. Which I don't appreciate. I'm clearly talking about the everyday speech, not lectures or conferences.

All in all, you can't dissociate and have an embarrassingly poor reading comprehension. Can I ask you something? Are you Mexican?

[Anonymous No.16703136]

This book seems impossible to find new in English.Do they not publish it anymore?Is it worth reading?If I only buy new books, should I lower my bar and buy this book used?

[Anonymous No.16703143]

>>16702298
Sí, hubo críticas por eso, pero la misma autora respondió. No, no hay citas falsas, y los cambios de cifras en verdad se debieron a pequeños errores que fueron corregidos en posteriores ediciones.

[Anonymous No.16703147]

>>16703136
Someone uploaded an epub for the English version some months ago.

[Anonymous No.16703233]

>>16703110
>I'm clearly talking about the everyday speech, not lectures or conferences.
Well, you named the president, and a debate with a 'skinny mexican writer' as examples of poor use of spanish, both of which do not constitute everyday speech.

>>16703110
>you can't dissociate and have an embarrassingly poor reading comprehension
Be a man and stop 'hinting' at things. Being passive agressive doesn't make you smarter, it just makes you a coward. And me recognizing and confronting your true positions among its whole nuance of faggotry doesn't make me dumber, its just points in my favor.
I actually believe I'm exceedingly good at not just decoding your low quality florid posts, but at reading you too, which is why I know that you're a sneaky fellow hiding among mountains of pouty phrases, thinking that your previous girly retorts will disappear that way.
I think you are just tsundere for mexico, which is why you watch so much cooking programs of muscly mexican men with hot exotic accents. If that's so, I forgive you.

[Anonymous No.16703433]

>>16703147
Have you read it?I’m interested if it’s comparable to any other book.

[Anonymous No.16703496]

>>16703081
Novels that I think could seriously be argued to be the Spanish GOAT:

1. Don Quixote / Don Quijote
2. 100 years of solitude / Cien años de soledad
3. The Regent's Wife / La Regenta

Some of my personal favourite novels that I know nobody thinks are among the GOAT:

1. Marks of identity / Señas de identidad
2. On heroes and tombs / Sobre héroes y tumbas
3. Tyrant Banderas / Tirano Banderas or The tree of science / El árbol de la ciencia

[Anonymous No.16703634]

>>16703233
>>And me recognizing and confronting your true positions among its whole nuance of faggotry doesn't make me dumber, its just points in my favor.
That just makes you an overly aggressive asshole. Imagine being this delusional. I'm sorry for your parents. Maybe they're as ignorant as you are. Or maybe they are humble people that don't enjoy pestering others and being aggressive towards them, unaware they raised another brown, sweaty mediocre bastard.
Funny you forget this part from my post in your dumb rhetoric:
>"More" is a relative, see?. I never spoke of The Neutral Spanish, because I doubt it even exists, but you insist on missing that crucial "more".
And you're clapping yourself on the shoulder for mistaking a recognizable concept with an attenuated form (the one I used) and dragging me into this stupid discussion. All because you MISTAKE my bashing the Mexican accent for the whole Mexican culture.

And you keep dropping these sexual hints. "Ur a fagget", "girly", "pouty". Just imagine using gay as an insult in 2020. You sound like a teenager so I hope you're 16 or 18yo. Otherwise, it's frankly embarrassing you speak with people online as if they were your retarded classmates.
>tsundere for mexico
Yeah, should've recognized the /a/utist. Even more embarassing.
>florid posts
Lmao. Spoken like a true ignorant. Kindly point out two florid constructions in my posts.
At any rate, get fucked.

[Anonymous No.16703721]

>>16703496
La regenta is nowhere near to being on of the best noveld in the Spanish language

[Anonymous No.16703737]

>>16703496
>1. Marks of identity / Señas de identidad
>2. On heroes and tombs / Sobre héroes y tumbas
I've only read Goytisolo's essays but really liked them. Might read his novels at some point. Sabato is one of my favorite writers, but I think Abaddón el exterminador is the best novel of the trilogy, the more thematically and formally complex

[Anonymous No.16703869]

where can I still get Gredos' classics for a good price? I've heard they've closed up shop.
online, I mean.

[Anonymous No.16703925]

>>16703737
I have mixed feelings on Abaddón. I liked it, would like to re-read it, and agree that it's the most complex, but for me it got to the point of feeling messy. There were a few too many instances of Sabato ranting and yelling at students. I would say it goes 2nd half of Sobre héroes > Abaddón > 1st half of Sobre héroes > The tunnel.

I think Goytisolo's novels are brilliant, but I could understand anyone who thought he's too self indulgent. His essays probably (I've only read fragments) resemble his later stuff the most, so you might like Paisajes después de la batalla. Otherwise, you could check out Marks of identity or Don Julián for complete madness, and Campos de Níjar for his social realist streak.

[Anonymous No.16703969]

>>16703634
>omg it's literally 2020 how can you be so homophobic 1!!1!
>is thoroughly racist since the first post and calls me 'brown and sweaty' as an insult
>still doesn't own up to it
Stop larping as a serious person in a chinese basket weaving forum, please.
You think you sound serious while speaking the way you do? lmao, and you call me deluded.
You can't just change the rules in the middle of a game just because you're losing.

>Kindly point out two florid constructions in my posts.
Read your first post out loud, record it, and listen to it a few days later. If you don't realize how much of a haughty tryhard you sound like, then you must be autistic.
I'm honestly just doing you a favor by pointing it out.

If you wanted a serious discussion, maybe actually act like a gentleman instead of merely pretending to be one while projecting your own faults in others. I would have gladly obliged.
Anyways, I enjoyed btfoing you over and over. Hope you learned something, argie bro.

[Anonymous No.16703970]

is it true that Borges never got laid? was he an incel or a volcel?

[Anonymous No.16704091]

>>16703969
I see you caught the irony with the racist bit. Shame that describing an accent could only be considered racist if you pay too much attention what your Northern overlords deem racist, and not to the rest of the civilized world. Also looks like your shitty reading comprehension affords you to easily latch onto things and misguide you. Funny how it's there on every one of your posts and still haven't realized it, nor had the balls to admit it.
"Serious", "haughty tryhard", [just trust me], "act like a gentleman". This says more about you than it does about me.
What's there to discuss? I gave my opinion. You misread it, misconstruing my meaning, turning into an identity (remember your quotes around neutral? Of course not, you don't think about what you say, or read because your command of the language is clearly subpar), called me a faggot repeatedly, used fallacious thinking (your accent is probably just as bad!!!1), even invoking psychological concepts clearly too elevated for you.
You proved you were a retard. Sadly, some of your betters won't debase themselves and post like a braindead teenagers, the kind that hail from /a/. Hope you learn how to deal with this instead of throwing tantrums. You've made me lose enough time and refused to accept how poorly you interpreted what I said, not just once, but over and over, and somehow imply your insults and even shittier re-takes btfo'd me.

'Margaritas para los chanchos.'

[Anonymous No.16704243]

>>16703970
didn't he have two wives

[Anonymous No.16704301]

>>16704091
>I was merely pretending to be an asshole, it was irony!
Thanks for this post, I can't stop laughing.
Honestly, the lengths argies take to hide their own shit are truly spectacular, i'll give you that.
I have never seen such dignified and copious use of mental gymnastics and sophistry just to cover for previous unfortunate posts. All with a sprink of: 'no U'
The naivete and dedication are almost touching.
Have a good day, argie bro.

[Anonymous No.16704308]

>>16704301
>>16704091
will someone PLEASE tell me the accent this guy is speaking with >>16702642
I know the other guy is from valladolid but the other guy (the one speaking at the beginning) doesn't use his ths

[Anonymous No.16704327]

>>16704308
Seville maybe?

[Anonymous No.16704334]

>>16704327
really? i met a sevillian and he literally use his ths for every s sound except when ending a sentence with an s

[Anonymous No.16704352]

>>16704334
I can sense some glimpses of the Mexican """"neutral"""" accent when he speaks.

[Anonymous No.16704353]

>>16704352
is the sevillan accent the most similar to mexican neutral?

[Anonymous No.16704374]

>>16704353
iirc the Spanish conquistadors that defeated the Aztecs were mostly from Seville (or the southernmost region of Spain in general) Which is why Latin American Spanish developed in the way that it did. That is the reason why Latinos don't pronounce the z as th.

[Anonymous No.16704389]

>>16704374
then that guy was just faking his accent lmao, not surprised desu i'd also force an accent if i were among foreigner just for the keks

[Anonymous No.16704789]

>>16704301
Dije que el mexicano promedio está muy embebido en su cultura y sigue usando localismos feos para hablar con extranjeros. Lo referí diciendo: "no elige usar UN español MÁS neutral". Vos dijiste que "no existe el español neutral".
Yo, viendo tu nivel, puedo elegir llamarte pelotudo a cuerda o retrasado mental. Contame cual es la opción que entendes mejor y cuál de las dos, por ende, es más neutral. Se cae se maduro que lo que yo digo es lo correcto. Un inglés o escoces intentará suavizar su acento para interactuar con un yankee.
Tu comprensión lectora es abismalmente mala. Volvé a /a/.

I'm not your bro. Get fucked.

[Anonymous No.16704947]

Anyone hear learned Spanish as a second Lang after ingles? Do you translate the words in your head when engaging in conversation with a spanish speaker or listening to a spanish song or does it naturally come to you after a while? By the time I’m done translating in my head I’m already a sentence or two behind

[Anonymous No.16704967]

>>16703634
Holy shit dude you definitely have low test

[Anonymous No.16704977]

>>16704374
I thought they were from Extremadura and Islas Canarias.

[Anonymous No.16704983]

>>16685529
Who are the great Spanish playwrights?

[Anonymous No.16705081]

>>16704983
Cervantes, Lope de Vega, Calderón de la Barca, Tirso de Molina...

[Anonymous No.16705083]

>>16705081
the list goes on...

[Anonymous No.16705210]

>>16685765
¿Quién se supone que es? ¿La nieta?

[Anonymous No.16705302]

>>16699453
why tho

[Anonymous No.16705497]

>>16704789
>Using spanish
Feeling bold, huh?
Pues si no quieres hacer las paces, voy a soltar todo mi autismo también. Vamos por partes.
Primero dijiste que el lenguaje de México es feo, y que tiene modismos raros, y que el presidente de México sonaba como un granjero adolescente, a lo que yo te respondí que tu inglés sonaba como el de un maricón y que de seguro tu acento era aborrecible. Me permití escribir una opinión subjetiva, grosera y carente de valor ya que la tuya tampoco tenía ningún valor y también era grosera, pero de manera pasivo-agresiva.

Lo que dije después, y repito, es que la experiencia del lenguaje tiende a ser muy subjetiva, y que incluso nuestra experiencia de lo que intuímos como 'español neutral' es también bastante subjetiva. ¿Por qué me consta? Muy fácil. Tú sientes que el español mexicano es 'menos neutral' que el español argentino, y sin embargo, te aseguro que muchas otras personas (que las he escuchado) tienden a pensar que el español mexicano es mucho más coherente y fácil de comprender que el argentino.
De hecho, yo, cuando leo a argentinos y chilenos es cuando tengo más problemas comprendiendo qué es lo que han querido decir (con claras excepciones de grandes autores). Sin embargo, al leer a colombianos, peruanos y españoles, tengo muchos menos problemas. Bajo esta impresión, yo podría sacar la falsa conclusión de que el español argentino es 'menos neutral' que el español mexicano. Pero ésta noción es sólo bajo mi perspectiva, y no tiene una validez universal.

Ahora, por otro lado, defines al español 'más neutral' como aquel que carece de 'localismos', y que es posible llegar más a él si suprimimos nuestros localismos al conversar con otros hispanohablantes. Es curioso que acá jamás he escuchado la palabra 'localismo', pero puedo entenderla. Aca se escucha la palabra 'regionalismo', que seguro tú también podrías entender. En fin, en tu primer post, dices que los mexicanos hablan con demasiados modismos 'feos' (algo subjetivo, como ya quedó claro), pero luego dices algo que me pareció aún más arrogante y tonto. Dices que, como los mexicanos tienen un vocabulario muy estrecho e ignoran que el resto del mundo hispano no habla de la misma manera que ellos, son incapaces de suprimir sus 'localismos' y hablar en ese español 'más neutral' que te das la libertad de definir. Vamos, algo absolutamente ridículo, y peor aún, que aseguras con tan sólo tener tres referencias de hablantes mexicanos.

En fin, creo que en éste tema sí puede haber una discusión fructífera, y las diferencias en nuestro uso del lenguaje siempre me han fascinado. Sólo creo que llamar a los demas 'idiotas, de idioma feo, modismos tontos, nación de vocabulario estrecho, cafés subdesarrollados' no aporta absolutamente en nada, y no puedes esperar ser tomado en serio y recibir buenas respuestas cuando sostienes ese tipo de actitudes.

[Anonymous No.16705513]

>>16705497
>>16704789
you're gonna get the thread deleted
actually, considering how hard you both fucked it up i think it's better to start a new one at this point

[Anonymous No.16705542]

>>16705513
I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Also, I thought mods permitted a bit of spanish in these threads?
Let's just keep posting and maybe they won't notice.

[Anonymous No.16705551]

>>16703081
Lazarillo de tormes, a medieval novel. Was the introduction to a new genre, the picaresca. Shows how was the society in those times, someone says also nowadays.

[Anonymous No.16705583]

>>16703136
Does anyone know where the image comes from?

[Anonymous No.16705584]

>>16705551
Yeah, just ordered it, I expect it to come in two days.
Also, talking about picaresque novels, I really liked Cervantes' Coloquio de los perros, out of all his novelas ejemplares that one is probably my favorite of the bunch.
Is there any literature (in spanish) that has the same ambient as the part in which Berganza is talking about his experiences with the witch? shit felt like I was listening to my father when he tells me about the experiences the locals in the village he grew up in had with witches.

For example, one time (he says) a friend of his uncle (this was a village in mexico so everyone knew each other) was walking back home after some festival was held. The way back had a lot of ponds (this is in Ruano btw near Polotitlan) and so he was walking in a narrow path. He saw a lone tree in the distance (in which people claimed there were witches that would fly around it and looked like small balls of light) and was staring at it cautiously while walking back home. Then suddenly, he realizes that his chin deep inside the pond in an instant and quickly swims out of it, apparently the witches wanted to drown him.
If you ask me I think he was just drunk or something but still, this exact story could well have been written by Cervantes, I think.

[Anonymous No.16705605]

>>16705584
Después de un festival en un pueblo llamado El Ruano que se encuentra cerca de Polotitlán, el amigo del tío de mi padre estaba regresando a su casa por medio de un camino que estaba angosto y encerrado por dos lagos a los lados. A la distancia pudo ver un árbol que se decía que a veces se podían ver brujas volando alrededor de ella en forma de esferas luminosas como hechos de fuego. En esta ocasión él vio estas esferas, y, sin detener su paso, los miraba con cautela pensando que de verdad había brujas volando allí. En un instante, sin darse cuenta como, estaba él hasta su cuello en el agua en uno de los lagos, y nadó rápidamente hacia la tierra. Aparentemente las brujas querían ahogarlo.
Sorry for my prose I have 0 experience writing but I think it's more understandable or at least less jarring than what I wrote in english.

[Anonymous No.16705634]

>>16705605
My grandfather claimed he had an encounter with the devil in a lone street by the afternoon when he was a teenager. It was an elegant man dressed like a dandy, and he offered him a suitcase full of money. He recognized him as the devil, and ran away from him.
It's very interesting how a lot of people here claim to have encounters with ghosts, demons, witches. I think that's also why Rulfo wrote such a novel.

[Anonymous No.16705648]

>>16705634
Here in Peru they say the devils appears to isolated travellers between rural towns. He's well dressed but you can recognize him if you look at his feets, if it's really the devil he must have rooster feets.

[Anonymous No.16705665]

>>16705634
True, the subject of talking ghosts in the style of Rulfo sounded very familiar when I first read him. I think it's normal for small towns to have such stories, especially if they're told by the elderly

[Anonymous No.16705682]

>>16705648
That's really neat. So those kind of stories common in Peru too? My grandfather really wasn't much of a reader, but he had a lot of stories like that to tell.
I wish I could ask him if he remembers watching the man's feet.

[Anonymous No.16705750]

>>16705682
>So those kind of stories common in Peru too?
Yes, specially in the rural zone. What is interesting is that the devil is different depending of the region. In the coast, as I said (the one I told you is particularly from the Piura department), the devil is more like the typical hispanic supertition. In the range he's called the Supai. And in the jungle is called the Chullachaqui.

[Anonymous No.16705850]

>>16705750
That's really interesting, anon. It's also nice to know more about Inca mythology.
I need to read more about Peru.

[Anonymous No.16706592]

>>16704983
García Lorca too

[Anonymous No.16706779]

>>16704308
Spanish from Spain.

[Anonymous No.16706799]

>>16704983
Buero Vallejo

[Anonymous No.16707226]

>The Iliad and The Odyssey
>The Old Testament
>Oedipus Rex
>The Divine Comedy
>Decameron
>Lazarillo de Tormes
>La Celestina
>Gargantua and Pantagruel
>The Canterbury Tales
Which are the other 21 most important works of literature then? I would guess that he would add Don Quixote and 100 Years of Solitude too.

[Anonymous No.16707318]

>>16705497
>Tú sientes que el español mexicano es 'menos neutral' que el español argentino, y sin embargo, te aseguro que muchas otras personas (que las he escuchado) tienden a pensar que el español mexicano es mucho más coherente y fácil de comprender que el argentino.
I never said that. I never compared MY accent. Remember I told you I could dissociate two ideas? Right.
>Es curioso que acá jamás he escuchado la palabra 'localismo', pero puedo entenderla. Aca se escucha la palabra 'regionalismo'
Because you're an ignorant brute: https://dle.rae.es/localismo

The rest of your post is a series of baseless assertions about things I never said. It's not "seeing through" the "true positions" of your adversary, you fucking prideful retard. You assumed a bunch of shit again and again, things I never even claimed.
On the other hand, I assumed I was dealing with a retard. Which happened to be true. One who probably ignored 'localismo' was an actual word that refers to speech. He probably was an offended Mexican.
I cited 3 EXAMPLES, not references. Do you understand the purpose of an example? Do you see how, in a nuanced way, an example differs from a reference? Do you think I'm going to list every single one? Are you insane? And btw, those cooking shows you assumed were one (therefore counting 2 or 3)? Well, they had dozens of speakers from all social classes, from farmers in the north, to upper class maids, to snobby elder gentlemen with restaurant chains to young hipsters.
You could've asked about clarifications. Instead, you jumped to conclusions and attacked me, because I pricked your national pride or love of Mexico.
And a 'more neutral' Spanish is a common ground. It's like Comunicación 101. Two speakers need a common channel of communication, provided by a language the two parties can manage. You don't speak to children in terms they won't understand. Tourists don't (or shouldn't) get information that makes no sense. Immigrants' eventually sound less like their orinal (naturally or forcing themselves to). Diplomats from Chile don't speak like low income workers when they speak with a Mexican delegation.
I'm not defining anything. Remember I hinted that 'the Neutral Spanish' didn't exist? Right. You didn't.

It's obvious a question about opinions might be answered in subjective opinions. And as such, I'll call Mexicans farmers and their shitty accent 'feo' and worse things. That's my impression. I could be wrong. That's the beauty of opinions. Never even claimed I was giving my "professional opinion". But hey, at least I'm not a midwith the critical thinking skills of a brick.

[Anonymous No.16707783]

>>16707318
Ya cállense el hocico los dos de ustedes

[Anonymous No.16707885]

>>16704243
so?

[Anonymous No.16707918]

>>16707226

i've been so curious about this too i don't think it's in his book either at least i don't remember seeing it in the table of contents

[Anonymous No.16708126]

>>16707226
Cervantes va implícito, lo dijo