Hemingway’s persona

[Anonymous No.16670506]

Did Hemingway live the most lit lifestyle and is he who everyone here wishes they were like?

[Anonymous No.16670526]

>>16670506
>most lit lifestyle
You sound like a total fag

[Anonymous No.16670532]

>>16670506
>inb4 he was gay lmao
He wasn't gay, he just idolized masculinity and strived to personify it himself.

I think it's kinda tragic that he ended his own life, but you can't say that he didn't live it to its fullest. It seems all the best writers either lived a very adventurous life by serving in the military or something, or lying about it (ahem, Faulkner). Makes you wonder if theres a connection between living an adventurous life and being a good writer.

[Anonymous No.16670538]

>>16670532
>or lying about it (ahem, Faulkner)
Moveable Feast is full of falsities and embellishment thougg

[Anonymous No.16670546]

>>16670532
Someone's real defensive.

What's wrong with being gay, man?

[Anonymous No.16670561]

No, he lived a full and rich life with minimal suffering. Which is the antithesis to writing great literature. Hence, why his writing is stiff, boring and he writes on a 6th grade level.

People who are attractive, healthy and loved by others by definition cannot produce great art because they don't have any distinction of what beauty is, since they see it every day and don't know a life without it.

[Anonymous No.16670564]

>>16670532
Kafka, Borges and Pessoa didn't have adventurous lives though

[Anonymous No.16670568]

>>16670532
>Makes you wonder if theres a connection between living an adventurous life and being a good writer.
Clearly not, as Faulkner is a better writer than Hemingay.

[Anonymous No.16670571]

>>16670561
>minimal suffering

He committed suicide

[Anonymous No.16670577]

>>16670571
It was a euthanasia kill. Barely counts

[Anonymous No.16670580]

>>16670561
>No, he lived a full and rich life with minimal suffering
dude suffered from literal mental illness for the latter half of his life and blew the back of his head out in his living room with his favorite hunting shotgun, so I dont know about "minimal suffering"

[Anonymous No.16670585]

>>16670561
>>16670571
That's because he had brain damage from a plane accident.
Watch the interview. That shit is harrowing.

[Anonymous No.16670586]

>>16670561
Shakespeare, Cervantes and Tolstoy produced great art and didn’t suffer much

[Anonymous No.16670594]

>>16670586
Shakespeare lost his baby son.
Cervantes fought in the Battle of Lepanto, lost the ability of his hand, and was captured by Barbary pirates for like 10 years.

[Anonymous No.16670595]

>>16670586
>Cervantes didn't suffer much
He was a slave for five years. Fought in a war. Lost his arm.

[Anonymous No.16670600]

>>16670561
>>16670568
>>16670586
ITT: anons show how woefully misinformed they are

[Anonymous No.16670609]

>>16670561
>Hemingway sank into depression as his literary friends began to die (...) he suffered from severe headaches, high blood pressure, weight problems, and eventually diabetes—much of which was the result of previous accidents and many years of heavy drinking.

[Anonymous No.16670617]

>>16670594
>>16670595
>>16670600
Oh the horror!Everyone’s dealt with some shit like that in their life except sheltered anons

[Anonymous No.16670619]

>>16670506
Look at how manicured and posed this “candid” photo of the genius at work is. Whatever Hemingway’s literary merits, his first love was crafting and nurturing a persona.

[Anonymous No.16670621]

>>16670609

>wahhh my friends are dying
Just proves my point further. His life in his 20s and 30s were so good and sheltered that he wasn't able to cope as well as normal people when he got old.

Imagine looking like pic related and complaining about anything.

[Anonymous No.16670622]

>>16670506
Hemingway its the most alpha wannabe writers. There is always a shit authors trying to be manly while writing a piece of turd

[Anonymous No.16670624]

Existence is suffering my dear friends.

[Anonymous No.16670625]

>>16670532
Dude was just messed up from a mother who was fucked up and dressed him like a girl. Because of this he was obsessed with coming across manly

[Anonymous No.16670632]

>>16670617
Yea, I was a slave for years and fought in a decisive naval battle just last weekend lol

[Anonymous No.16670633]

>>16670621
>Imagine looking like pic related and complaining about anything
ooooohh so you're one of those incels, that explains a lot. Back to >>>/r9k/

[Anonymous No.16670636]

>>16670625
>and dressed him like a girl.
Lol what

[Anonymous No.16670637]

>>16670586
Tolstoy was fucked up. He lived a good life but he was clearly very mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.16670638]

>>16670609
depression, alcoholism, and diseases from being overweight - these are all problems that only people with no problems come down with

[Anonymous No.16670639]

>>16670621
>looks are everything in life
found the incel

[Anonymous No.16670653]

>>16670636
for the first couple years of his life, his mom raised him as a girl, as a twin to his sister.

[Anonymous No.16670655]

>>16670636
His mother wanted him to be a girl so in his very early years he was dressed up like a girl

[Anonymous No.16670657]

>>16670564
Kafka writes from his (boring) life

[Anonymous No.16670661]

>>16670653
Women were a mistake.

[Anonymous No.16670665]

>>16670561
>he writes on a 6th grade level

you can't write like Hemingway by only reading Hemingway, you have to smash your head on the greatest and most complex works the world has to offer to accomplish his simplicity

[Anonymous No.16670667]

>>16670636
Very common practice back then. I think it derives from Victorian era traditions or something. Lovecraft also experienced this weird stuff.

[Anonymous No.16670671]

>>16670538
Sure, never let the truth get in the way of a good story
But it’s based in reality

[Anonymous No.16670684]

>>16670665
Or just experience war and by consequence know the importance of a firm and strong blow in battle and apply it to writing.

[Anonymous No.16670691]

>>16670561
incel cope

[Anonymous No.16670692]

>>16670526
this

[Anonymous No.16670697]

>>16670638
>your problems aren’t real problems
How many times did you fold that glorious nippon steal to get that edge bucko?

[Anonymous No.16670698]

>>16670661
based

[Anonymous No.16670718]

>>16670697
>steal

[Anonymous No.16670751]

>>16670506
This man lived the ultimate lit lifestyle

[Anonymous No.16670759]

>>16670751
If you romanticize filth, poverty and vulgarity, sure.

[Anonymous No.16670768]

Writing well makes a writer, be it Hemingway born to affluence, Tolstoy born to royalty, or Bukowski/Dickens born to poverty, the gift is in the doing. You can certainly be a try hard who pursues "the lit life" and still have genuine talent, as Hemingway did in his youth, but at the end of the day, there's no secret recipe, and it's sad seeing gullible, talentless kids in their early 20s chainsmoking and drinking because they think it unlocks some secret talent. If you have it, it will grow naturally.

[Anonymous No.16670826]

>>16670718
You do have me there

[Anonymous No.16670840]

>>16670768
This, if you’re going to chain smoke and drink at least do it for a better reason, not just larping as a writer

[Anonymous No.16670876]

>>16670621
Shut the fuck up, kid
https://youtu.be/Nsv63C9tDJE

[Anonymous No.16670895]

>>16670876
Didn't know it was that bad, God damn.

[Anonymous No.16670898]

>>16670876
he's talking like he's six years old, that crash really did fuck him up. That's genuinely saddening

[Anonymous No.16670928]

>>16670898
Its karma.

[Anonymous No.16671016]

>>16670768
>Bukowski
>talent

[Anonymous No.16671067]

>>16671016
Ham on Rye is excellent.

[Anonymous No.16671189]

>>16671067
Lol no it isn’t

[Anonymous No.16671200]

>>16670568
>Clearly not, as Faulkner is a better writer than Hemingay.

He's not, and nobody reads Faulkner.

[Anonymous No.16671222]

>>16671067
Ham on rye,
Factotum,
Women.
Great reads. Simple, yet elegant depiction of low class America.
Rip the buk

[Anonymous No.16671227]

>>16671189
The world disagrees, and you are a peon against Bukowski's achievements and influence. It's okay to be wrong.

[Anonymous No.16671232]

>>16671200
He is and who gives a shit about what plebs read.

[Anonymous No.16671244]

>>16671227
I guess that makes Coelho and Ernest Cline great authors as well. Also, he didn't achieved anything that Céline or the Beats hadn't already done before. It's okay to be a pleb.

[Anonymous No.16671293]

>>16671244
What you read is your business. Bukowski lives on as deserved. It's all right, not only to be wrong, but to make nonsensical comparisons between a legacy author and present day bestsellers.

[Anonymous No.16671306]

>>16671293
What legacy lmao he's a bestseller for the alt/pseud crowd that just started reading and wants to feel edgy.

[Anonymous No.16671312]

No matter what, can we just agree that Hemingway is better than Bukowski?

[Anonymous No.16671335]

>>16671306
He's been dead for close to two decades and is still a gargantuan and respected name of literature. He is only shy of The Lost Generation by three decades and has as much if not more renown than them. There is nothing to advertise, market, interview or sell, and yet he remains in the popular conscience on the merit of what he wrote. Whinge, wine and posture all you like; Bukowski is a giant of the modern canon, just as he predicted he would be.

[Anonymous No.16671348]

>>16671312
Different styles, different themes, comparison between two respected writers is an activity for psueds. Go cozy up to a copy of Infinite Jest and repeat to yourself how clever you are.

[Anonymous No.16671349]

>>16671293
Bukowski’s only legacy is that he was namedropped in the show Californication with David Duchovny and so cringelords larping as coolguys read him

[Anonymous No.16671350]

>>16670876
Damn.Thats rough

[Anonymous No.16671358]

>>16671335
>a gargantuan and respected name of literature
O im laffin

[Anonymous No.16671376]

>>16671222
That’s just a more verbose version of that famous Fitzgerald quote

[Anonymous No.16671389]

>>16671312
Yes. Hem is much, MUCH better.
>>16671348
cope

[Anonymous No.16671390]

>>16671349
And yet here you are talking about him independent of whatever shitty TV show it is that you watch.
>>16671358
So is Bukowski.

[Anonymous No.16671401]

>>16670561
Where do Camus falls in this projection ?

[Anonymous No.16671406]

>>16671335
Jesus Christ. This faggot is beyond delusional.

[Anonymous No.16671411]

>>16671389
>cope
No, I said cozy. Whisper it fervently and feverishly.

[Anonymous No.16671415]

>>16671349
kek

[Anonymous No.16671421]

>>16671411
cope

[Anonymous No.16671434]

>>16671406
It hurts to be wrong and to try with all your might to prove otherwise. It's okay. You're not talented. Bukowski was and reaped the rewards. Here we are discussing a beloved writer while you bitch, whine, kick and moan. It's right out of one of his stories.

[Anonymous No.16671444]

>>16671312
Lol, yeah i think thats a safe bet

[Anonymous No.16671450]

Hmmm, I wonder who’s responsible for this differential

[Anonymous No.16671462]

>>16671312
Any day.

[Anonymous No.16671501]

>>16671434
>he's talented because he's popular and read by plebs
absolute state of reddit

[Anonymous No.16671504]

>>16671450
>How do conversations work?
>One post per individual and no more!
Lmao, the 'tism.

[Anonymous No.16671529]

>>16671501
Among other things, but I'll take that image as proof of it slowly dawning upon you how wrong you are. Just a gentle reminder that you're barely literate, incapable of thought, and will never amount to anything, let alone developing past the humble talents of Bukowski. It feels good to be right all the time.

[Anonymous No.16671554]

>>16670506
>lit lifestyle
Does your ass still hurt, fag? Don't you dare to think I forgot about you.

[Anonymous No.16671566]

>>16670564
Pessoa was a secret agent and a esoterist.

[Anonymous No.16671578]

>>16671529
>You will never be as famous as my idol!!!
kek that's when you know you have reached peak seethe. once your personally are compared. stay mad, pleb, just like bukkake will stay bad.

[Anonymous No.16671584]

>>16670876
What a sad sight. Was it worth?

[Anonymous No.16671596]

>>16671434
>Bukowski
What a sad man. What brief success. What a cringey bunch of tryhard faggots to carry on your legacy.

[Anonymous No.16671611]

>>16671335
Yeah I guess he’s a pretty good read.

[Anonymous No.16671616]

>>16671578
>idol
All I've done is defend the reputation of an author who worked for his success and provided a few stories I've enjoyed reading. I neither emulate nor romanticize him. My first post listed four authors, followed by one anon focusing upon Bukowski exclusively. I will chalk your interpretation of these posts back to your poor reading ability and, it should be stated again, your demonstrated lack of potential in anything related to the written word. It's okay to be wrong. More so, perhaps, when faced against someone as based as me who is always right.

[Anonymous No.16671624]

>>16671596
Contrarily, I'd say a lot of his success owes to the humor and levity of his writing. He's a breezy read.

[Anonymous No.16671675]

>>16671016
How can i tell you haven't read him. And if you have you definitely haven't lived a tough life to truly get him

[Anonymous No.16671680]

>>16671376
What quote

[Anonymous No.16671685]

>>16671616
One author is enough to discredit a commentary like yours, though. Also:
>calling yourself based
cringe

[Anonymous No.16671700]

>>16671675
Romanticization of misery and filth is strictly for the lowest common denominator. There are better writers in his style/subgenre/thematic. Babby's first dirty realist.

[Anonymous No.16671818]

>>16671685
>One word discredits everything
Ah, the mind of a critic, far removed from that of a creator. Your envy and bitterness are now far more palpable. Carry on, lightweight.
>Calling yourself based
Some truths are self-evident.

[Anonymous No.16671882]

>>16671818
>You don't like him, then you must envy him!
kek fucking embarrassing middle school tier argument. I can tell you're just a silly edgy kid.
>doubling down on calling yourself based
giga cringe

[Anonymous No.16671889]

Just ignore the CB schizophrenic poster.I think he’s serious and not a troll

[Anonymous No.16671927]

>>16671889
which one?

[Anonymous No.16671940]

>>16671927
There are multiple?I thought it was one anon creating 10 CB threads the last couple days

[Anonymous No.16671941]

>>16671889
He already shitted up (shat up? What's the proper past tense of 'shit') the thread

[Anonymous No.16671943]

>>16671940
ah that one? yea, annoying little cunt.

[Anonymous No.16671973]

>>16671882
>kek
>fucking embarrassing
>middle school tier
>edgy
Consider the verbiage of the exact post to which I responded when writing that sentence, then of the tone in which I made the addendum to my response. Somewhere, somehow, eventually, I'm sure your turgid little mind will snap into recognition that I was making a joke in using 'based,' and where that joke stemmed from.
>You don't like him, you must envy him
Envy and bitterness are traits of character independent of your thoughts on Bukowski alone and made increasingly evident by your manner of writing. By all means, I implore you to read Bukowski, as I suspect levels above him are too difficult for you to absorb.
>>16671889
It's impossible to ignore the truth, which is why it's been very easy to refute every
>cringe
>cope
>seethe
>kek
/lit/ parrot that's done his best to discredit an established author. As I've stated once and will state again; it's all right for the majority of you to be wrong. Step up and get slapped as many times as you like against one as based and cringe-resistant as me.

[Anonymous No.16672029]

>>16670561
Retard

[Anonymous No.16672057]

>>16671889
I'm not a troll and I've only made on Bukowski reply in this thread. I've seen that I've been annoying people so I've stopped

[Anonymous No.16672078]

>>16671973
Mate, your entire argument is "he's famous and popular, therefore, great" and "you're mean, therefore, you envy my idol." It's okay if you suck his dick but don't pretend he's on the level, let alone above, of the actually great writers you originally mentioned.

[Anonymous No.16672091]

>>16672057
>I'm not a troll a
Yes, you are.
> I've only made on Bukowski reply in this thread.
Sure, kid.
> I've seen that I've been annoying people so I've stopped
You're the most annoyed faggot here because someone shat on your shitty writer.

[Anonymous No.16672153]

>>16672078
>He's famous and popular, therefore, great
I've said he's influential in style and survived two decades beyond his death based on the veracity of his writing, which is a feat for any writer let alone still living. Sorry, mate, but this goes back to me saying one thing, and your illiteracy interpreting another.
>you're mean, therefore, you envy my idol
I never called anybody mean. Again with your poor reading. What has gone awry in that sad, embittered little brain housed in your skill? Read more Bukowski. Perhaps Hungry, Hungry Caterpillar.
>but don't pretend he's on the level, let alone above, of the actually great writers you originally mentioned.
The writers were used to establish various paths of affluence toward literary accomplishment, with Bukowski thrown in to refute the idea that alcohol and other vice made the writer, explicitly laid out in my final sentence. Good timing, too, since somebody had posted an image of his "lit life" right above my own post. To reiterate what I've already said repeatedly: I never made any hooplah about Bukowski until one anon, then many, started to grow asspained about his mere existence. Of course, being consistently right across this entire thread has been a pleasure unto itself.

[Anonymous No.16672161]

>>16672091
I'm the one you want, anon, leave that poor anon alone.

[Anonymous No.16672203]

>>16672091
I've made literally one Buk related reply, I've stopped making threads since they got nothing but hate

[Anonymous No.16672341]

>>16672153
Didn’t read lol

[Anonymous No.16672526]

>>16672341
I know you don't, mate. That's been clear for a while now.

[Anonymous No.16672561]

>>16670594
Nigga, before the XX century, everyone lost multiple babies. Fucking Bach hat 13 and lost like 7 or 8

[Anonymous No.16672572]

>>16670661
This was normal back then, not a handful of random women. All kids would wear dresses until like 5 and boys wore pink and girls blue, Macy's decided it should be the other way around and suddenly it was so. Read a goddamn book.

[Anonymous No.16672600]

Gore Vidal lived the most lit lifestyle. Fag hat a house in Italy to write and throw cocktail parties so he could shit no other writers.

[Anonymous No.16672642]

>>16672600
Gore Vidal was a based personality who bullied Norman Mailer every chance he got but, unfortunately, and like Mailer himself, total shit as an actual writer. That period of lit must have sucked.

[Anonymous No.16673412]

Does anyone have that greentext of a guy recalling his father's or uncle's pranks he would pull on Hemingway towards the end of his life?

[Anonymous No.16673895]

>>16670876
Holy shit. I love Hemingway yet never saw that before.
Fuck that's absolutely tragic.

[Anonymous No.16673970]

>>16671200
Faulkner is widely read even by normies and high schoolers

[Anonymous No.16674044]

>>16670561
>No, he lived a full and rich life with minimal suffering.
Top tier bait, m8
Hemingway got injured in WWI, he was there in the Spanish Civil War and was on Normandy during D-Day as a war journalist. He saw some shit and experienced it too. He came home and was completely lost as a person trying to find his way in the world.
By the end of his life he was in back to back plane crashes that caused him so much pain that he finally decided to blow his brains out rather than keep living with it.
Saying he didn't suffer and had a comfy life is pure retardation.

[Anonymous No.16674069]

>>16673895
Seeing how much he deteriorated is genuinely sad. I can only imagine what he was feeling when he decided to end his life

[Anonymous No.16675652]

>>16673895
this

[Anonymous No.16677335]

mmmm what a badass!

[hungryman !!5BI0oSV9uvS No.16677367]

>>16670691
Yup.

[Anonymous No.16677393]

>>16671501

dat image though lmao

[Anonymous No.16677401]

>>16670876
I'm not even really a fan of his. But holy shit this is sad. Was it just his speech that was fucked or did he become more dumber?

[Anonymous No.16677448]

>>16677335
fuckin based

[Anonymous No.16677728]

>>16670532
He inspected F.Scott Fitzgerald's penis and wrote about it in A Movable Feast.

[Anonymous No.16677784]

>>16677728
nothing wrong with helping out a friend, anon

[Anonymous No.16677804]

>>16670506
Hemmy was a natural American in the way he could make his life seem more interesting than it was. Did he spend his life shacked up in a cold room like writers are expected to? No, but he spent his life expounding the great American tradition of embellishment and self-hype. Is he a chad of literature? Yes. Is he a great writer? Not so much.
The fact the Nobel Prize went to him and never to Tolstoy is just proof of how susceptible people are to image over substance.

[Anonymous No.16677845]

>>16677804
Something similar happened with Bolaño. Except he outright lied about being a war prisoner. People like to buy myths and masks.

[Anonymous No.16678167]

>>16670526
fpbp

[Anonymous No.16678245]

>>16670532
>muh manly and tragic Spanish toreador man

[Anonymous No.16678300]

>>16677804
Hemingway revolutionized the short story.It is said that every short story writer afterwards either wrote like Hemingway or purposely tried not to.He has a distinctive style that took me time to enjoy and he isn’t for everyone.I think it’s disingenuous to say he’s a bad writer.Is he one of the best ever?No.But he’s still great

[Anonymous No.16678309]

>>16678300
>.Is he one of the best ever?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.16678420]

>>16678309
He’s definitely in the upper echelon and probably my favorite author but I think there’s better out there.It’s funny because I hated Hemingway when i first read him but I gave him another shot and something clicked that time

[Anonymous No.16678437]

I hate to be "that guy" but with Hemingway I think feminists have a point about fragile masculinity. Masculinity is about appraising and implementing the virtues called forth by necessity. Masculinity isn't meant to be performative. It's predicated by evolution and circumstance. Fake manly men with deep insecurities are just as damaging to the ideal masculinity as effete manchildren. Masculinity is teleological; a practical means to a desirable ends. Defending your community, feeding offspring, liberating yourself/others spiritually, and at least attempting to stand as a template for virtue. That is what it means to be a man. Hemingway didn't do these things. He framed his life as to appear like an adventure as to escape the gravity of personal, moral duty. A man with flaws is still a man. Even a man defeated by his flaws is a man. However, anyone who seeks to make their flaws a specie of honesty is fooling themselves. I like to hunt and fish. But so can women. It's leading a family and sacrificing for a community that reifies the importance of masculinity.

[Anonymous No.16678546]

dude shave your hands lmao

[Anonymous No.16678554]

>>16678546
only faggots shave

[Anonymous No.16678599]

>>16678554
sure thing mr. hairy bear
*passes razor*

[Anonymous No.16678604]

>>16678599
*sticks razor up your ass*
Enjoy it, woman.

[Anonymous No.16678639]

>>16678604
Body hair everywhere except the pubic area looks like complete shit aesthetically and has no place among men of taste
Maybe if you are Bob the blacksmith you can get a pass

[Anonymous No.16678646]

>>16678639
Pubic hair should at least be trimmed.

[Anonymous No.16678658]

>>16678639
This is why the West is dying. Everyone's a faggot.

[Anonymous No.16678673]

>>16678658
But it's true, hairy hands are fucking ugly
>This is why the West is dying. Men are shaving
tradcuck cope

[Anonymous No.16678688]

>>16678673
>But it's true, hairy hands are fucking ugly
For you, because you've been feminized by your culture.

[Anonymous No.16678690]

>>16670532
retarded take.

[Anonymous No.16678700]

>>16671349
hello based department

[Anonymous No.16678733]

>>16678646
fag

[Anonymous No.16678793]

>>16678688
It has nothing to do with feminization. Beards are masculine and they can look great aesthetically. But most body hair is just ugly which is why professional swimmers get rid of it.
You are defending an evolutionary adaptation that got outdated since we invented clothes

[Anonymous No.16678840]

just had to say that the schizo CB poster is fucking based.

any of you who responded him were BTFO and shown as the illiterate scum you are.

[Anonymous No.16678850]

>>16678793
>It has nothing to do with feminization.
Yes, it does. This wasn't even a thing a few decades ago.
>But most body hair is just ugly which is why professional swimmers get rid of it.
They don't get it of it for muh aesthetic, faggot. They remove it for a smoother skin. "Smooth legs allow for slicker, slipperier contact with the ground, allowing one to escape less-scathed in a spill. For swimmers, the importance of shaving also ties into slicker, smoother benefits."
>You are defending an evolutionary adaptation that got outdated since we invented clothes
Body hair is inoffensive and evolution decides what is and isn't "outdated." If you have to remove it by force, maybe you're the faggot going against Mother Nature.

[Anonymous No.16678856]

>>16678840
>t. CBfag poster

[Anonymous No.16678860]

>>16678793
>You are defending an evolutionary adaptation that got outdated since we invented clothes
I bet you're circumsised

[Anonymous No.16678949]

>>16678850
>Yes, it does. This wasn't even a thing a few decades ago.
Backwards cultural norms
>They don't get it of it for muh aesthetic, faggot.They remove it for a smoother skin. "Smooth legs allow for slicker, slipperier contact with the ground, allowing one to escape less-scathed in a spill. For swimmers, the importance of shaving also ties into slicker, smoother benefits."
Oh come on with this bullshit, we all know it looks like shit
>Body hair is inoffensive and evolution decides what is and isn't "outdated." If you have to remove it by force, maybe you're the faggot going against Mother Nature.
What "Mother Nature" pagantard biology is just random mutations. If an adapttion isn't useful anymore and it looks like shit you get rid of it.

[Anonymous No.16678977]

>>16678949
>Backwards cultural norms
Sounds like cope. Do you also feel oppressed, faggot?
>Oh come on with this bullshit, we all know it looks like shit
Literally no one but homosexuals and models give a fuck.
>What "Mother Nature" pagantard biology is just random mutations. If an adapttion isn't useful anymore and it looks like shit you get rid of it.
Engineer hariless babies, then. Adaptations should only be removed if they are nocive. Fucking hair hurts no one except faggots' feelings but who cares.

[Anonymous No.16679003]

>>16678949
>What "Mother Nature" pagantard biology is just random mutations. If an adapttion isn't useful anymore and it looks like shit you get rid of it.
again, I bet you're circumcised. head hair is also an "outdated evolution", are you bald? do you have eyebrows?

[Anonymous No.16679090]

>>16678977
>Adaptations should only be removed if they are nocive.
You need to get over the muh mother nature argument
>Fucking hair hurts no one except faggots' feelings but who cares.
It looks like garbage and you know it

[Anonymous No.16679102]

>>16679090
>It looks like garbage and you know it
It looks normal. Maybe in your homosexual culture it is frowned upon. Literally no one gives a shit but homosexuals, metrosexuals and models. I stand by those words.

[Anonymous No.16679103]

>>16679003
>again, I bet you're circumcised. head hair is also an "outdated evolution", are you bald? do you have eyebrows?
Head hair looks sexy and glamorous. Most of the body hair looks like shit. See the difference?

[Anonymous No.16679109]

>Bloated alcoholic hack who wrote terrible novels, was outwritten by his wife and all of his ‘friends’ and killed himself

Read more

[Anonymous No.16679128]

>>16679103
>Most of the body hair looks like shit
only if you're a manlet who can barely grow any

[Anonymous No.16679143]

>>16679128
what? indians and arabs are manlets and grow most body hair

[Anonymous No.16679152]

>bells, balls, and bulls
>literary

[Anonymous No.16679222]

>>16679103
t. metrosexual confirmed

[Anonymous No.16679260]

Weird thread.

[Anonymous No.16679415]

>>16670532
Faulkner spent the war in a comfy base in Canada or something like that.
People go crazy over Hemingway, but he barely saw any combat and this shows how cultivating the macho image matter more than the real thing. No one think about Tolstoy as a decorated officer or Musil as someone fighting in WWI.

[Anonymous No.16679648]

>>16679415
Did tolkien catch any bodies or was he rear Detachment type

[Anonymous No.16679746]

>>16679648
he must have, he served in the Somme

[Anonymous No.16679927]

It's been a while since I read it, but on these Hemingway threads, no one ever seems to talk about how he mocks and rather thoroughly deconstructs and dismisses his macho persona in Green Hills of Africa.

[Anonymous No.16680066]

A young man serving in the army was constantly humiliated for reading novels by real writers like Hugo, Dumas, Tolstoy, Proust, Musil, Grossman and many others. One day, the captain who loved Hemingway wanted to humiliate the kid before the troops.
He called the young man and said "Come here, kid! Take the keys and go park that Jeep in front of the base."
The young man replied: I can not drive, sir!
Captain: What? You keep reading those giants books, maybe you saw something about the art of driving in those pages. I bet Xueqin, Tolstoy or Rabelais digressed about automatic transmission or something like that. I learned how to drive and how to be a man because of my favorite writer who was an ambulance driver in World War I, unlike those effeminates paid by the word who never saw combat.
The young man was extremely offended and afraid, but he decided (in a stream of consciousness that was removed from this text because it's too complex to Hemingway fanboys who got their brains fried with the iceberg theory) to drive the vehicle.
He turned on the engine and parked the jeep in the place PERFECTLY, just as the captain wanted.
The young man came out of the jeep and saw them all crying.
They all said together: We want to read your books! Please!
The young soldier was astonished and asked what was going on.
The captain, crying, opened the hood of the jeep and showed the young man that the vehicle had no engine.

[Anonymous No.16680099]

>>16680066
checked

[Anonymous No.16680110]

>>16680099
checked checking

[Anonymous No.16680171]

>>16679927
His masculine persona has greatly grown through time, largely by people who never read him, especially women.His characters, while masculine, have flaws, doubts and make mistakes.

[Anonymous No.16680227]

>>16680171
>.His characters, while masculine
this part especially. people criticize his women characters but I think they're fine albeit representations of masculinity in women

[Anonymous No.16680239]

This is Hemingway’s recommended reading list to a young writer.Is it based?

The Blue Hotel” by Stephen Crane
“The Open Boat” by Stephen Crane
Madame Bovary by Gustave Flaubert
Dubliners by James Joyce
The Red and the Black by Stendhal
Of Human Bondage by Somerset Maugham
Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy
Buddenbrooks by Thomas Mann
Hail and Farewell by George Moore
The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoyevsky
The Oxford Book of English Verse
The Enormous Room by E.E. Cummings
Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte
Far Away and Long Ago by W.H. Hudson
The American by Henry James

[Anonymous No.16680280]

>>16680239
certainly not a bad list, though I'd include A Portrait of the Artist instead of Dubliners

[Anonymous No.16680324]

>>16680280
Have you ever read Of Human Bondage?I’ve made a couple threads asking if it is worthwhile but never got any replies

[Anonymous No.16680354]

>>16680324
I've been intending to after a friend recommended it to me but have yet to get around to it

[Anonymous No.16680395]

>>16677401
He got brain damage because he had to smash his head against the plane window to break the glass so he could escape.
It fucked him up for the remainder of his life

[Anonymous No.16681258]

>>16679415
>barely saw any combat
Is this bait?
Dude was a war correspondent in the Spanish Civil War and WWII. He was on Normandy during D-Day. Not to mention him getting blown up in Italy in WWI.
Saying he didn't see combat is simply retarded.

[Anonymous No.16682591]

How did the rumors that he was gay start anyway?Is it just a feminist thing to knock him and his “toxic masculinity” down a notch?

[Anonymous No.16683573]

>>16682591
yeah

[Anonymous No.16683596]

>>16670506
He was /litfit/.

[Anonymous No.16683620]

>>16670532
there's no homoerotic subtext at all in The Sun Also Rises

[Anonymous No.16683623]

>>16670568
/thread

[Anonymous No.16683644]

>>16678793
>You are defending an evolutionary adaptation that got outdated since we invented clothes
Your dumbass as whole except 1/3 of your brain is an evolutionary adaptation that's outdated Anon.

[Anonymous No.16683653]

>>16679927
Next time you'll tell me people here don't read or something.

[Anonymous No.16683685]

>>16670561

Call me a /x/ tier larper, but I’d agree with Colin Wilson that while mental illness and alienation can and does breed creativity, they are not necessary for it.

To paraphrase, Shakespeare, Keats, and numerous other writers were socially competent, sane, and well adjusted to their time and place. They weren’t outsider loners, they were working joes who just happened to produce good art either as a career or side gig.

The artist as outsider is for much of history an exception rather than a rule.

[Anonymous No.16683686]

Step aside larpers and tourists, the most lit writer of the 20th century is coming through.

[Anonymous No.16683694]

>>16683685
>numerous other writers were socially competent, sane, and well adjusted to their time and place
Cervantes

[Anonymous No.16683705]

>>16670561
>minimal suffering

from the little I do know about him - participated in multiple wars, survived a plane crash, went schizo enough to think the cia was after him, and finally killed himself - i'd say this is a fucking retarded thing to say but then you're probably also baiting and ok i am baited add me to your haul

[Anonymous No.16683710]

>>16683705
>went schizo enough to think the cia was after him
we all do in the end, anon

[Anonymous No.16683737]

>>16683694

Add to the list such figures as Chaucer, much of the Baroque era poets, Wallace Stevens, etc. People who made careers and dull little lives for themselves, while keeping up a fruitful creative life.

[Anonymous No.16683749]

>>16683694
Plato

[Anonymous No.16684359]

>>16680280
The Dead is better than Portrait in every conceivable way.

[Anonymous No.16684383]

>>16684359
wrong

[Anonymous No.16684601]

>>16670546
no one wants to be a fag