Greek Philosophy

[Anonymous No.16663409]

>decide to study history of civilisation
>essentially all humans are living in the dark ages before the Greeks
>then the Ancient Greeks invent Philsophy to replace Religion
>Overnight Europe goes through the single greatest cultural rise in human history
>Sciece, Mathematics, Art, Literature, Theatre, Medicine all explode in Europe
>Then Europe decides reject Greek Philosophy and embrace Religion
>Europe immedietaly plunges into Dark Ages
>At this point in time Muslims start to become interested in Greek Philosophy
>For the next few centuries, Muslims become responsible for every single cultural achievement in the world
>Maths, Science, Medicine, Art etc. all expode due to Muslim intellectuals and artists
>Islamic world is the centre of all progress as they embrace the Greeks
>Then Muslims decide to give up on Greek democracy and return to authorotarianism
>Islamic world immiediately plunges into Dark Ages
>Now Renaissance Italy rediscovers classical Greek texts
>out of nowhere Europe goes from Dark Ages into Enlightenment
>Industrial Revolution, Modern science, Shakepseare, Mozart etc.
>Europe becomes dominant all over again
>Colonises the whole world
>creates all the dominant learning centres and inventions for next few centuries
>all because of following the philosophy of the Greeks
Is Greece the important nation in the history of literature?

[Anonymous No.16663431]

>>16663409
>history is a straight line from A to B

[Anonymous No.16663451]

>>essentially all humans are living in the dark ages before the Greeks
>>then the Ancient Greeks invent Philsophy to replace Religion
>>Overnight Europe goes through the single greatest cultural rise in human history
>>Sciece, Mathematics, Art, Literature, Theatre, Medicine all explode in Europe
>>Then Europe decides reject Greek Philosophy and embrace Religion
>>Europe immedietaly plunges into Dark Ages

[Anonymous No.16663464]

>>16663409
You're pretty much right, all these anons posting "FUNNY FACE" XDXDXDX just proves that they have no counter argument, ancient greek philosophy will always be the best

[Anonymous No.16663486]

>>16663431
History is an exponential line from A to B, actually.

[Anonymous No.16663489]

>>16663409
>Then Europe decides reject Greek Philosophy and embrace Religion
What?

>out of nowhere Europe goes from Dark Ages into Enlightenment
That is a gross inversion of actually happened, Enlightment actually just reintroduced occultism into science, the scholastics were trying to remove that

>decide to study history of civilisation
Youre reading on those history textbooks written by leftist morons arent you?

[Anonymous No.16663488]

>>16663431
>history is wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff!!!

[Anonymous No.16663499]

>You're pretty much right, all these anons posting "FUNNY FACE" XDXDXDX just proves that they have no counter argument, ancient greek philosophy will always be the best

[Anonymous No.16663508]

>>16663499
Bro, if you're a nihilist without studying any of of the literature, just tell us

[Anonymous No.16663509]

>>16663409
>essentially all humans are living in the dark ages before the Greeks
Except they weren't.

[Anonymous No.16663518]

>The history of all hitherto existing societies is the history of [RECORD SCRATCH]
>Jump Around by House of Pain begins to play
>https://youtu.be/XhzpxjuwZy0
>Anon kicks down door and yells "Religious and philosophical struggles!"
>shocked expressions on all the cast members faces, a basketball hits Jesus Christ himself in the nuts
>groans heard all around
>Grim, the talking dog, covers his eyes with his paws
>Epicurus laughs and says, "that's gotta hurt!"

[Anonymous No.16663650]

>>16663409
Larping as a larper

[Anonymous No.16663672]

>>16663409
>>essentially all humans are living in the dark ages before the Greeks

lmao what? go back

[Anonymous No.16664622]

>>16663672
>no argument

[Anonymous No.16664636]

>essentially all humans are living in the dark ages before the Greeks
uhhhhh nigga what
you forgot THE ENTIRE BRONZE AGE

[Anonymous No.16664706]

>>16663409
Exactly, philosophy was the driving force behind rapid scientific and social progress. Notice how I didn't say "western philosophy", because it's not necessary. There was no independently discovered philosophy anywhere else, just moral teachings and dogmatic, religious drivel.

[Anonymous No.16664710]

>Overnight Europe goes through the single greatest cultural rise in human history
>Sciece, Mathematics, Art, Literature, Theatre, Medicine all explode in Europe
>Then Europe decides reject Greek Philosophy and embrace Religion
>Europe immedietaly plunges into Dark Ages

What religion did Europe embrace? The Greek religion of Christianity. And the dark ages are a myth. Scholastic philosophers knew who Plato was.

[Anonymous No.16664716]

>>essentially all humans are living in the dark ages before the Greeks
lol

[Anonymous No.16664775]

>>16663409
what about indus valley?

[Anonymous No.16664783]

>>16664710
>Scholastic philosophers knew who Plato was.
Scholastic "philosophers" were so dogmatic that they abandoned philosophy. Starting from unquestionable axioms and treating the word of Plato / Aristotle as Gospel is not something that real philosophers do.
>>16663672
>>16664636
>>16664716
Dark ages don't mean "shit covered huts", you can have things like great architecture and literature and still live in the dark ages. It's about having rapid scientific and societal progress.

[Anonymous No.16664837]

>>16664775
The Indus Valley civilization was destroyed by the Aryan Indo-European conquest.

[Anonymous No.16664857]

>>16664783
>societal progress
A list of innovations of the bronze age near east off the top of my head
the city
writing
written law
beer
wine
the lock
the plow
mathematics
metallurgy
interstate state
the chariot
the sailboat
astronomy
cartography
irrigation
masonry
accounting

[Anonymous No.16664864]

>>16664783
>treating the word of Plato / Aristotle as Gospel

But Plato was a greek philosopher. OP claims that Medievals abandoned greek philosophy. But if Medieval scholars were still studying Aristotle, then they were using Greek philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16664865]

>>16664857
interstate trade* oops
anyways never post that shit again. Babylon hosted the first great age of men, not greece.

[Anonymous No.16664870]

>>16664837
:(

[Anonymous No.16664884]

>>16663409
Yeah. Ironically, as Schopenhauer said, we are falling in a sort of civilized barbarism because people stopped reading the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.16664894]

>>16664864
It follows that Aristotle ain't shit. You just have to read my boy Plato.

[Anonymous No.16664920]

>>16663409
Good summary, but what about the Egyptians and Mesopotamians? Genuinely asking, don't know much about pre-Greek civilisations.

[Anonymous No.16664934]

>>16664857
>mathematics
When you look at what happened with when the Greeks got a hold of Babylonian mathematics, you'll see what I mean with scientific progress. You can only get so far without a free speculative aspect. I already gave you great architecture, which requires hugely developed skills. Without philosophy, Babylonian math would never become calculus, the chariot would never become a rocket and Hammurabi's law would never grow into an organized system of checks and balances.

[Anonymous No.16664955]

>>16664934
That doesn't mean everything previous was a fucking dark age you absolute clown.
>organized system of checks and balances
gross, kill all high school civics class tier liberals now

[Anonymous No.16664983]

>>16664955
Oh I see you resorted to reasserting your dumb point without an argument and sperging out with insults. That was easy.

[Anonymous No.16665005]

>>16664983
Probably because your argument was already soundly defeated. A culture that invents fucking math isn't going through a dark age, pretty simple for any reasonable non-autistic person to grasp.

[Anonymous No.16665017]

>>16665005
discovers* math, however you want to describe it we all know what we mean

[Anonymous No.16665052]

>>16664783
>It's about having rapid scientific and societal progress
enlightenment niggers didnt give a shit about science, they were occultists

[Anonymous No.16665067]

>>16665005
>>16665017
Yeah, you're probably the same kind of person that will tell you that "akshually the medieval period was not the dark ages, look at all the things they could do without Reason!". This misses the point. Babylonian math (the kind of math that was developed independently in many cultures) was transformed in a fundamental way by Euclid. Archimedes nearly discovered calculus, he was already doing nothing short of limits. That's not possible unless you formalize proofs. The Chinese never had their Euclid, so they reached a plateau with basic geometry and arithmetic like everyone else except for the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.16665089]

>>16665067
>akshually the medieval period was not the dark ages, look at all the things they could do without Reason!
Literally not, dark ages Europe was an actual dark age and those people are fucking annoying. Bronze age mesopotamia was a hotbed of human advancement, you just have a fetish for classical greece, deal with it.

[Anonymous No.16665098]

>>16663409
2/10

[Anonymous No.16665114]

>>16665067
CHINA CONFIRMED FOR 2,000 YEAR DARK AGE BC NO EUCLID
shut the fuck up retard

[Anonymous No.16665116]

>>16665089
Another reassertion, what the Greeks added to culture was unique and not discovered anywhere else. The rest of the world only discovered science when they were colonized. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.16665124]

>>16665116
Is your definition of dark age 'anything except classical greece'?

[Anonymous No.16665127]

>>16665114
I know it must make you angry not being able to understand that post.

[Anonymous No.16665133]

>>16665127
I understand it, I just think your standards for what constitute a 'dark age' are totally arbitrary and designed to reinforce your fetish.

[Anonymous No.16665136]

>>16665124
I tried to explain that, why don't you read my post again instead of asking dumb questions?

[Anonymous No.16665151]

>>16665133
Yeah, I totally made it up with that calculus thing, it's a complete coincidence that it was only almost discovered then and there and only eventually discovered then and there.

[Anonymous No.16665156]

>>16665151
>UNLESS YOU NEARLY DISCOVERED CALCULUS IT'S A DARK AGE
ok lol

[Anonymous No.16665164]

>>16665156
must be hard being this dumb, it's not about calculus, it's about what was a necessary condition for its discovery

[Anonymous No.16665194]

>>16665164
the necessary condition was greeks inheriting civilization from the near east and building upon the substantial progress already made

[Anonymous No.16665221]

>>16665194
The necessary condition is an epistemology where no dogma is safe from questioning and the social conditions to freely develop it. That's what leads to axiom/proof based mathematics and the scientific method.

[Anonymous No.16665238]

>>16665221
Yeah but calling that specifically the necessary condition to be outside of a dark age is totally arbitrary and designed to give the honors to your favorite.

[Anonymous No.16665259]

>>16665238
The scientific method and the social upheaval that was brought about (at least in no small part) by political philosophy in the west changed the world so much that I find it quite justified to put them on a pedestal.

[Anonymous No.16665271]

>>16665259
Also 'the dark ages" was originally meant to refer to the period between antiquity and renaissance, and the main reason why that period is different is the lack of this exact "arbitrary" factor.

[Anonymous No.16665301]

>>16665259
that's fine but the term DARK AGE is inappropriate to describe civilized peoples making enormous strides in their own right, certainly not wallowing in shit as people in a legitimate dark age did like post-roman europe (or pre-classical greece for that matter)
if you can agree with this very reasonable point then we can both leave happy
>>16665271
there's a whole litany of reasons to call that period a dark age

[Anonymous No.16665356]

>>16663409
r*ddit pls go and stay go

[Anonymous No.16665361]

>>16665301
Pre-classical Greece was called the "dark age" for a completely different reason, it's just because there are so little historical sources about it that we have very little knowledge of it. But that's a nitpick. If you can grant me that the great bronze age civilizations, if allowed to, you know, not collapse, would have plateaued without the scientific method brought by philosophy, just like China and America, then we're good. I'm not even saying the Greeks were something genetically special, they just stumbled upon something very important because they had so much food surplus, free time and contact with other cultures or whatever you want to list as reasons that philosophy was allowed to be born.

[Anonymous No.16665393]

>>16665361
>I'm not even saying the Greeks were something genetically special
Shit dude, I would say that.
Greece WAS special, it was a golden age. But that doesn't mean anything else is a dark age. All I'm tryna say. I feel we have reached accordance. goodnight

[Anonymous No.16665394]

>>16663489
>Enlightment actually just reintroduced occultism into science, the scholastics were trying to remove that
>>16665052
>enlightenment niggers didnt give a shit about science, they were occultists
What are these anons on about exactly?

[Anonymous No.16665839]

>>16664706
>There was no independently discovered philosophy anywhere else, just moral teachings and dogmatic, religious drivel.
is this true and why did only the west have "philosophy" as distinct from religion and not the east

[Anonymous No.16666432]

>>16665839
Before the Greeks you had sumerians and Egyptians. The Greeks uses their mysticism to extrapolate philosophy, a pursuit of answers just using reason. The Greeks were a purifier of sort. This didn’t happen anywhere else. In the east, chinks think they are part of eras and golden ages that are tied to bullshit mysticism.

[Anonymous No.16666436]

Sumerians and Egyptians came before the Greeks, lad.

[Anonymous No.16666480]

>>16665394
the hermetic arts and sciences

[Anonymous No.16666589]

>>16663409
What is important is philosophical exploration itself, not any particular philosophy.
Intellectualism has little to do with "being intelligent," but rather how it is used: to cultivate curiosity and inquisitiveness.

[Anonymous No.16668022]

>>16666432
wat

[Anonymous No.16668380]

>>16663409
>>>then the Ancient Greeks invent Philsophy to replace Religion
>>Overnight Europe goes through the single greatest cultural rise in human history
>>Sciece, Mathematics, Art, Literature, Theatre, Medicine all explode in Europe
woah mass entertainment and mental ramblings are better than religion

yeah no

[Anonymous No.16668409]

>>16664920
>but what about the Egyptians and Mesopotamians? Genuinely asking, don't know much about pre-Greek civilisations.
fighting for sand castles

[Anonymous No.16668422]

>>16663409>>16665839

>>16664706
Anything after presocratics is just intellectuals larping more and more as careerist truth tellers in monasteries and university, to get a comfy pay, with the pinnacle being the academics in secular democracy.

If you want to skip the christians, jews and muslims, you have to go back to presocratics
-hindus, muh rituals mu sacrifices, then muh nonduality after seething at buddhists and jains from dwindling market share
-pre imperial china, muh rituals muh sacrifices to please gods
-buddhists, muh suffering, muh craving
-jains, muh non-violence
-africans, muh rituals muh sacrifices to please gods
-imperial China, muh civil servants larping as buddhists, taoshits and crap like that
-north europeans, muh rituals muh sacrifices to please gods
-south and north americans, muh rituals muh sacrifices to please gods
-desert people,muh rituals muh sacrifices to please gods

so yeah, besides jains, buddhists and presocratics, there is nothing in Hisotry outside the study of spooks and rituals.

[Anonymous No.16668480]

>>16664622
one example: minoans. they predate greek philosophy by one thousand years and lived a life better than golden age greece.

[Anonymous No.16668496]

>>16663409

stop trying to boast your "muh greek ancestors" cause your country's in debt and you feel shit about it.
Most probably you're even half turkish.

[Anonymous No.16669055]

>>16663486
>exponential line from A to B
what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.16669404]

>>16668480
Are you retarded? You're talking about communities that had a couple thousand people. We're talking about post civilization.

[Anonymous No.16669416]

Greek Texts = Power and Money (jusdt not for the greeks they have somehow nothing of both)

[Anonymous No.16669428]

>>16663409
>Then Europe decides reject Greek Philosophy and embrace Religion
>Europe immedietaly plunges into Dark Ages
Are you saying the Dark Ages weren't all about jerking off Aristotle or something?

[Anonymous No.16669516]

>>16665136
You lost the argument against that dude, give up.

[Anonymous No.16669517]

>>16664934
>Babylonian math would never become calculus
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/ancient-babylonians-used-early-calculus-track-path-jupiter-study-finds-a6840146.html

[Anonymous No.16669579]

>>16663489
Not the OP, but he's not wrong on the points you cited.

>Then Europe decides reject Greek Philosophy and embrace Religion
>What?
No doubt he's referring to the Byzantine era in general, after Constantine codified Christianity as the official state religion.

>out of nowhere Europe goes from Dark Ages into Enlightenment
>That is a gross inversion of actually happened, Enlightment actually just reintroduced occultism into science, the scholastics were trying to remove that
That isn't at all what happened during The Enlightenment. You might be able to make that argument for The Renaissance period prior to it.

>decide to study history of civilisation
Youre reading on those history textbooks written by leftist morons arent you?
You might try reading some textbooks of your own before attempting to correct others, considering how you erred on some rather big, basic concepts here.

[Anonymous No.16669609]

>>16663489
>>16666480
Hermetic writings originated in early Dark Ages and then flowered in The Renaissance. That poster clearly has no idea what actually happened during The Enlightenment.

[Anonymous No.16669762]

>>16669516
nice attention span retard

[Anonymous No.16669778]

>>16669517
An historian of science has discovered evidence that Babylonian priests living between 350BC and 50BC invented and used an abstract form of geometry that until now was thought to have been invented in the 14th Century, eventually evolving into calculus, the mathematical study of how something changes over time.
The article is talking about analytical geometry you clickbait-mided birdbrain.

[Anonymous No.16669788]

>>16669517
>>16669517
>An historian of science has discovered evidence that Babylonian priests living between 350BC and 50BC invented and used an abstract form of geometry that until now was thought to have been invented in the 14th Century, eventually evolving into calculus, the mathematical study of how something changes over time.
The article is talking about analytical geometry you clickbait-mided birdbrain.