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16662325 No.16662325 [Reply] [Original]

>suffering bad
No.

>> No.16662330

>>16662325
Then pick up a mallet and smash your cock.

>> No.16662338

>>16662330
Self harm is bad.

>> No.16662342

>>16662325
????
When did Plato say something like "suffering is not bad"?

>> No.16662356

>>16662325

Read the Gorgias again.

>> No.16662563

>>16662325
That's not what Plato said that, Plato said the Good can be at different times suffering or pleasure.

>> No.16662677
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16662677

>>16662342
Philebus and Laws explicate the Golden Mean, the Mixed life.
In Gorgias and Protagoras he talks about how punishment is purifying for the soul.
Timaeus says the world is good, which requires more than a post here to fully explain, but a TL;DR is that, as Olympiodorus and Plotinus understood, some souls are punished in the next life or in this life and this, again, is ultimately good for you; but most of your suffering is brought upon you by your own damn choices and it's purely chance (not necessity) that is harming you.
In Republic the best life is not one of pleasurable abandon as a tyrant, but the simple hard-working life of a farmer/shepherd, which certainly not a life without discomfort or suffering (this is the life Odysseus chose).
OP doesn't mean that suffering is never bad, it's just never absolutely bad.
All suffering no matter how minor or major has the Justice of Providence behind it. A child who is killed by the free will of a murderer will be the arbitor of that person's fate in tartarus (only her forgiveness will set him free).

>> No.16662708

>>16662677
Also, according to Platonism. The root of all our suffer is our own, we were all in the highest heaven in our genesis, nobody made us descend, yet we all took the initial step away from supposed pure bliss. Why? If not that the absolute lack of suffering is itself suffering? Without suffering there is no goal to face, to move towards, thus at the top you have nowhere but down.

>> No.16662878

his idea of punishment for the benefit of the criminal is ridiculously based

>> No.16662894

>>16662677
>>16662325
spineless prole men always deify suffering because it's all they got in their shit life

>> No.16662918

>>16662894
>I'm rich and I got sexy bitches unlike you in life!
Vain, vain words.

>> No.16662921

>>16662894
All willinh to something else is a type of suffering. All suffering is a sign that you lack or have lost something.

>> No.16663685

>>16662338
Let someone else do it

>> No.16663706

>>16663685
that's still self-harm