/SpGT/ Spanish General Thread

[Anonymous No.16660401]

Alonso de Ercilla edition.

Welcome to the official thread for Spanish /lit/erature. Feel free to contribute with reviews on your favourite authors, books, fragments, own works (so we can criticize them :), new editions or publications, and the like...

>Websites with Spanish e-books:
https://pastebin.com/QpcU8gjG
>Torrent with +70000 ebooks in spanish:
https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=35208945
>Useful youtube channels:
https://pastebin.com/mqcBy9J0
>read La Araucana here
http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/portales/alonso_de_ercilla/obra/la-araucana--1/

Previous thread: >>16627622

[Anonymous No.16660415]

>>16660401
>Alonso de Ercilla
my fucking man, reading La Araucana is an experience every person should have once in their life together with Don Quijote

[Anonymous No.16660418]

>>16660401
Stay away from Lusitania spics

[Anonymous No.16660466]

>>16660401
What editions of el Quijote do you recomend me? I'm a mexa so Porrúa is an everpresent option but they can be kinda iffy sometimes

[Anonymous No.16660471]

>>16660466
castalia

[Anonymous No.16660484]

>>16660466
RAE
>>16660418
We're brothers :)

[Anonymous No.16660515]

>>16660401
based conquistadores, padres, fray's, or explorers to read for early Spanish colonization? I've only read Bernal Diaz

[Anonymous No.16660548]

>>16660515
Ercilla wrote La Araucana during the conquest of Chile, so he could be considered a conquistador.
Bartolomé de Las Casas wrote a book, I think it was called "Historia de la destrucción de Las Indias". Pretty interesting, although many of the things he says are exagerations or lies. Still enjoyable.
Look out for the Crónicas de las Indias, there are many texts.

[Anonymous No.16660562]

Un quidam Caporal italiano,
de patria perusino (a lo que entiendo),
de ingenio griego, y de valor romano,
llevado de un capricho reuerendo,
le vino en voluntad de yr a Parnaso,
por huyr de la corte el varío estruendo.
Solo, y a pie, partiose, y, passo a passo,
llegó donde compró una mula antigua,
de color parda y tartamudo passo.

[Anonymous No.16660573]

>>16660484
then why portugal separated from spain?

[Anonymous No.16660592]

>>16660466
I got the Penguin Clásicos edition for like 85 MXN at the Librería Carlos Fuentes. Sadly it was the last copy, I think. What's your budget?

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYYIIins No.16660593]

>>16660401
>Welcome to the official thread for Spanish /lit/erature.


SINCE THESE THREADS REGARD AUTHORS FROM THE ENTIRETY OF THE HISPANOSPHERE, AND NOT ONLY FROM SPAIN, WHAT YOU MEAN IS: «HISPANIC LITERATURE», OR: «LITERATURE IN SPANISH», NOT: «SPANISH LITERATURE».

«SPANISH» REFERS TO SPAIN; «HISPANIC» REFERS TO THE SPANISH LANGUAGE.

ALSO: IF YOU KNOW SPANISH LANGUAGE, OR IF SPANISH IS YOUR NATIVE TONGUE, YOU SHOULD MAKE THESE THREADS IN THIS LANGUAGE, NOT IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

[Anonymous No.16660594]

>>16660573
The Eternal *nglo

[Anonymous No.16660603]

>>16660593
stop being an autist
this is why generals are so fucking awful formats for 4chan
there's always going to be people like this
fuck me fuck me fuck me fuck me fuck me fuck me fuck me

[Anonymous No.16660605]

>>16660515
Bernardo de Balbuena's Grandeza mexicana.

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYYIIins No.16660606]

>>16660548
>Bartolomé de Las Casas wrote a book, I think it was called "Historia de la destrucción de Las Indias"


>RECOMENDANDO FICCIÓN BASURA ANTIHISPÁNICA.


...

[Anonymous No.16660607]

>>16660593
or even batter, just call it castellano like my grandpa used to say

[Anonymous No.16660614]

>>16660607
peasant latin would be better

[Anonymous No.16660616]

>>16660606
Yes, I mentioned that a lot of the things said there are either exagerations or lies, did read the whole post? It still has historical importance.
>>16660607
Castellano es el español que se habla en Castilla. Yo hablo español, no castellano.

[Anonymous No.16660626]

>>16660607
kek Italians don't call their language "Toscano", they call it Italian. Only faggots call it "castellano." BASED Maestro calls it español like any true man.

[Anonymous No.16660631]

>>16660626
>>16660616
but they made the language?
also isn't it more offensive to call it spanish since all the spanish ethnicities who aren't from the castillia y leon mean they are speaking their own language when they actually aren't since their own language would be their regional language?

[Anonymous No.16660632]

>>16660626
Truly /nuestrotipo/

[Anonymous No.16660633]

>>16660592
anything really, as long as it's not something that goes beyond $300 or $400. are Penguin Classics good in Spanish? never knew that they had books that weren't in English

[Anonymous No.16660635]

>>16660631
what i'm triyng to say is that the castillians would be smug about their language being the default language of spain
which it is but still, the implications.
sounds to me that maestro is salty that cervantes wasn't writing in his original iberian dialect

[Anonymous No.16660639]

>>16660631
>offensive

[Anonymous No.16660640]

>>16660626
do not disrespect mi abuelo

[Anonymous No.16660643]

>>16660639
what im trying to say is that maestro is a linguistic/ethno cuckheld unless he's specifically from the castillian region

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYYIIins No.16660644]

>>16660607


ESPAÑOL ES LA LENGUA QUE SE HABLA EN TODO EL ORBE HISPÁNICO; CASTELLANO ES EL LENGUAJE DE LA LENGUA QUE SE HABLA EN CASTILLA.

LA ESPAÑOLA ES UNIVERSAL; EL CASTELLANO, REGIONAL.

[Anonymous No.16660651]

>>16660644
what im trying to say is that castellano is the same as español but people default to it because spain the country has it as its default language

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYYIIins No.16660656]

>>16660603


WORDS HAVE DISTINCT MEANINGS; IF YOU REFUSE TO USE THEM CORRECTLY ABSTAIN FROM USING THEM AT ALL SO THAT YOU DO NOT ABUSE THEM.

[Anonymous No.16660657]

>>16660643
Languages are technologies, how is he a linguistic cuckold for speaking spanish while being from Gijón?

[Anonymous No.16660660]

>>16660656
well the OP could have also meant spanish literature as in literature in the spanish language so get fucked

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYYIIins No.16660662]

>>16660651


EL LENGUAJE CASTELLANO NO ES EQUIVALENTE A LA LENGUA ESPAÑOLA.

[Anonymous No.16660670]

>>16660662
ok, compare el padre nuestro in spanish to castillian and I'll concede defeat her, maybe I'm wrong.

>>16660657
what im trying to say is that by asserting that spanish is the language of spain and not castillian he's pretty much ignroing every other dialect language also spoken there in favor of it

[Anonymous No.16660675]

>>16660670
>ok, compare el padre nuestro in spanish to castillian and I'll concede defeat her, maybe I'm wrong.
no takers? maestro teternally btfo

[Anonymous No.16660676]

>>16660633
Best edition I could find was the annotated hardcover edition publiushed by RAE for $432 on El Sótano and $509 on Gandhi. ISBN: 9788420412146. Look it up. It's really good and very well annotated. Back in like Februrary you could've buy it for $200 or so on Amazon but COVID fucked everything up. This is the one to get anyway.

[Anonymous No.16660679]

*solves philosophy*

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYYIIins No.16660684]

>>16660670


EL LENGUAJE CASTELLANO ES LA CEPA; LA LENGUA ESPAÑOLA, EL ÁRBOL.

EL LENGUAJE QUE SE HABLA EN CASTILLA ES A LA LENGUA ESPAÑOLA LO QUE A ESTA ES EL LENGUAJE QUE SE HABLA, POR EJEMPLO, EN EL BAJÍO MEXICANO; EL QUE EL LENGUAJE CASTELLANO SEA EL ORIGEN DE LA LENGUA ESPAÑOLA NO CAMBIA SU ESTADO DE LENGUAJE.

[Anonymous No.16660699]

>>16660593
>IF YOU KNOW SPANISH LANGUAGE, OR IF SPANISH IS YOUR NATIVE TONGUE, YOU SHOULD MAKE THESE THREADS IN THIS LANGUAGE, NOT IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE
We've done that and the faggot cocksucking jannies delete the threads.

[Anonymous No.16660700]

>>16660633
>Penguin Classics good in Spanish?
They're good for their price. They usually sell famous Siglo de Oro books and some other classics. They are cheaper than English Penguin but also slightly less annotated.

[Anonymous No.16660703]

>>16660684
>EL LENGUAJE CASTELLANO
Take your meds. This doesn't exist. Only lengua española or español or castellano.

[Anonymous No.16660705]

>>16660633
They are fine, I like them, the introductions are pretty good, but they lack notes.

[Anonymous No.16660709]

>>16660699
This. Daily reminder.

[Anonymous No.16660712]

>>16660633
>are Penguin Classics good in Spanish?
Probably not. They're owned by Random House, which also owns DeBolsillo and a few other small publishers. Cheap editions they rehash under a different brand.

Even in English, I'd pick Oxford over Penguin.

[Anonymous No.16660731]

>>16660712
I have some and they're the best in their price range. If you want something better Cátedra exists but it's algo like 4-6 times the price. No annotated edition exists within Penguin Clásicos' price range. But sometimes English Penguin has some edition that beat Oxford, namely John Milton's books, Tristram Shandy, and Lord Byron.

[Anonymous No.16660757]

>>16660709
kek, and these threads are usually the most /lit/ related on this shithole of a board

[Anonymous No.16660760]

>>16660684
sounds like cope to me
you and maestro just got dabbed on

[Anonymous No.16660778]

>>16660709
speaking of daily reminders, daily reminder that latinx and x endings for non binary gender nominatives will be accepted by the RAE someday

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYYIIins No.16660798]

>>16660760


WITH WHAT AM I «COPING», ACCORDING TO YOU?

[Anonymous No.16660801]

>>16660778
we get it, you're a tranny.

[Anonymous No.16660803]

>>16660798
you're making up an entirely arbitrary definition like some schizophrenic to cling on to your utterly btfo'd position
if it isn't true then post 1 example of el padre nuestro en español from mexico and compare it to the padre nuestro en castillian
ill wait

[Anonymous No.16660804]

>>16660684
> EN EL BAJÍO MEXICANO
abajeño basado
de qué municipio, estimado Rei?

[Anonymous No.16660807]

>>16660803
to this i will also like to add
can a castillian that knows how to speak castillian learn spanish?

[Anonymous No.16660819]

is mexicano spanish?
can a mexican says he speaks mexicano?
seems like a pointless denomination to make desu, he could just say he knows spanish or in other words castellano

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYYIIins No.16660839]

>>16660803


1. TU PROPIA IGNORANCIA NO IMPLICA QUE LO QUE IGNORAS SEA PRODUCTO DE ESQUIZOPATÍA, O ESPURIO CONSTRUCTO.

2. OBRAS UNIVERSALES COMO LO SON LAS PLEGARIAS ESTÁN ACTADAS EN LENGUA ESPAÑOLA, QUE ES UNIVERSAL, NO EN ALGÚN LENGUAJE PARTICULAR A ALGUNA REGIÓN, POR TANTO, COMPARAR UN PADRE NUESTRO DE CASTILLA, A UNO DE ALGUNA REGIÓN DE MÉXICO, SERÍA UN EJERCICIO FÚTIL QUE NADA PROBARÍA.

3. LAS DIFERENCIAS ENTRE LOS LENGUAJES DE LA LENGUA NO SON REDUCIBLES A DIFERENCIAS LÉXICAS.

4. DEJA DE RESPONDER EN LENGUA INGLESA A MIS COMENTARIOS.

[Anonymous No.16660841]

Jesus christ you're all autists, Español y Castellano is just the way people call the same language in different parts of the Spanish-speaking world, you might have issues on which one is more exact but that's besides the point.
>>16660807
>can a castillian that knows how to speak castillian learn spanish?
This doesn't make sense.
>>16660819
>is mexicano spanish?
The Spanish spoken in Mexico is a dialect of Spanish, or more exactly, multiple dialects, not just one. I guess one could consider the different dialects of Spanish their own languages as there is no real way to differentiate between what a dialect and language is, but that wouldn't seem very useful as most dialects are still extremely similar between themselves.
Anyways, what all you are reading? I just started Aquí pasan cosas raras, it's pretty good so far, a very funny take on life under a dictatorship. It reminds me or Felisberto Hernández and Ferdydurke at times.

[Anonymous No.16660848]

>>16660841
>>can a castillian that knows how to speak castillian learn spanish?
exactly
if we're not making much sense, don't bother, but if we are, scroll up and read, my line of thought is that if castillian isn't spanish or directly like spanish then what is the difference between castillian and spanish?
if you say it's a spanish dialect well I'll say that akshually our spanish aside from the one spoken in castilla y leon is a dialect from castellano
so take that

>>16660839
cope

[Anonymous No.16660849]

England = English
Italia = Italiano
France = français
España = castellano

Spaniards are the ultimate cucks, as always.

[Anonymous No.16660853]

>>16660848
Castillian is the Spanish spoken in the Castilla region.

[Anonymous No.16660855]

>>16660853
Spanish outside of Castilla is the castellano spoken outside of the castilla region

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYYIIins No.16660861]

>>16660804


MENCIONAR PÚBLICAMENTE EL MUNICIPIO EN EL QUE RESIDO SERÍA ALGO MUY PRECARIO; SOLO TE DIGO QUE S O Y BAJEÑO ALTEÑO.

GUADALAJARA TIENE EL ALMA MÁS MEXICANA; GUADALAJARA ES LA CAPITAL DE JALISCO; JALISCO POSEE LA CULTURA MÁS REPRESENTATIVA DE MÉXICO; JALISCO ES PARTE INTEGRAL DE EL BAJÍO; EL BAJÍO ES EL CORAZÓN DE MÉXICO; POR EL CORAZÓN SE VIVE, Y SE MUERE.

MI REGIÓN: EL BAJÍO; SU FAMA LA CUENTA COMO CUNA DE HÉROES, SEPULCRO DE MÁRTIRES; SENO DE LAS MUJERES MÁS BELLAS DE LA NACIÓN, SUELO DE LA CULTURA NACIONAL; HOGAR DE GENTE GALLARDA Y SEÑORIAL, MELANCÓLICO Y ADUSTO TERRAL.

[Anonymous No.16660866]

>>16660848
Sorry Anon didn't realize you were >>16660803
>>16660853
The area that used to be the Reino de Castilla? Or Castilla y León? Or Castilla-La Mancha? Do they even speak the same dialect? Because as far as I know they do not. There are other countries outside of Spain that call Spanish Castellano.

[Anonymous No.16660875]

>En el uso general las denominaciones «castellano» y «español» son equivalentes. No obstante, es preferible, en razón de una más adecuada precisión terminológica, reservar el tradicional nombre de «castellano» para referirse al dialecto de Castilla anterior a la unificación, y llamar «español» —como internacionalmente se hace— a la lengua que desde entonces lleva en sí, junto al viejo tronco, los múltiples aportes que otros pueblos de España y de América han dado al «castellano».
En resumen "castellano" es un fósil que solo usan los vírgenes. "Español" es la forma CHAD que salió victoriosa.

[Anonymous No.16660886]

>>16660875
if i accepted this then as a mexican I would have to accept mexico written with a j, which I won't because of cultural reasons so shove your "precision" right up where it fits the most, thanks

[Anonymous No.16660892]

>>16660886
>if i accepted this then as a mexican I would have to accept mexico written with a j
how did you arrive to this conclusion?

[Anonymous No.16660898]

>>16660861
Basado. ¿Podrías decir de que estado eres al menos? Yo s o y de GTO.

[Anonymous No.16660900]

>>16660886
Mexicans say español, though?

[Anonymous No.16660901]

>>16660892
because we are being told to accept español as the new word when refering to castellano (yes i am still insisting on this) because it is more precise terminology. in spanish, to use a j instead of an x is also precise or gramatically correct becuase the use of an x instead of a j is old and in no longer used, even if the letter x still finds a cs sound in some words (like box or boxear)

[Anonymous No.16660908]

>>16660901
We Mexicans say español so I'm not sure what's that have to do with spelling México with a J. Legacy spellings seldom change.

[Anonymous No.16660910]

>>16660908
you'd be surprised, go look up how people used to say pajaro

[Anonymous No.16660913]

>>16660910
I don't have the time. Goobye, you autists.

[Anonymous No.16660916]

>>16660913
well i'll do it for you if you have faith in what i'llsay:
pajaro used to be passaro which then turned to pasharo but written with an x (paxaro) just as mexico used to be meshico (which is why it is written with an x)
we no longer write pajaro as paxaro but still write mexico as mexico instead of mejico which is done in the entire world except by us because of cultural reasons
it is for this reason that I refuse to exchange spanish with castellano even if i sound like an autist, but ill only admit and say this in private, of course IRL ill say spanish :^)
also carlos fuentes would say we speak castellano

[Anonymous No.16660923]

>>16660916
>but still write mexico as mexico instead of mejico which is done in the entire world except by us because of cultural reasons
what? they only only occassionaly spell it wht a J in Spain. Everyone else says México or Mexico (English)/Mexique (French)/Messico (Italian). Carlos Fuentes can suck my dick btw.

[Anonymous No.16660925]

>>16660401
¿Existe una buena antología general de poesía en español que me de una buena idea de la evolución de ella a través del tiempo? Algo que empiece desde los primeros poemas en español y llegue hasta el presente día, tiempo presente (o lo más actual posible)

[Anonymous No.16661155]

>>16660925
Antología cátedra de poesía hispánica or something like that.

[Anonymous No.16661195]

>>16661155
Do you have a download link for it, digits anon?

[Anonymous No.16661215]

>>16661195
Buy the book. Cátedra doesn't have ebooks of that book (and that's another reason why they're BASED). Alternatively, you can search for another book that also fits your description.

[Anonymous No.16661231]

>>16661215
I'm poor :(
But yeah its not that unaffordable I guess

[campo de salvia No.16661327]

>anglos bad
>spanish good
Is this the proper way to ask for upboa- i mean based's?

[Anonymous No.16661414]

>>16661327
lol campo de salvia

[Anonymous No.16661692]

>>16660900
Indeed, said in other way: OP is right (and probably not a fag), and namefag is wrong and a fag.

[Anonymous No.16661716]

>>16660757
Pretty much. Same for the Portuguese ones.

[Anonymous No.16662113]

>>16660676
>>16660484
>>16660471
Thank you a lot anons, I'll look into if I can get it in muy city,

[Anonymous No.16663120]

>80% of the posts are about whether it is español or castellano

[Anonymous No.16663458]

Cuentos Cortos / Poemas Cortos similares al cuervo de Poe en español (o castellano no se ya me confundió el thread)?

[Anonymous No.16663469]

>>16662113
Gandhi and El Sótano ship to the entirety of Mexico.

[Anonymous No.16664076]

>>16663458
Horacio Quiroga es bastante similar a Poe

[Anonymous No.16664238]

>>16660401
What are your favorite "narrative" songs,
you know songs that last like 2-3 minutes and tell a story.
I find spanish to be a very good language for this type of medium.

[Anonymous No.16664259]

>>16664238
Idk if it counts, but I love these kind of songs
https://youtu.be/el7V9-IRGnM
https://youtu.be/aa9Pb2KLgc0

[Anonymous No.16664389]

>>16664238
Pedro Navaja is amazing as a narrative, it always sorprises me the grip on the language Rubén shows in a song like this desu. Juanito Alimaña has a similar topic but is not as "focused" as Pedro Navaja and not as good, but still, it's good anyways and might interest you.
The only other songs that I can think of are song like El anillo del capitán Beto or Laura va, but those I think still lean too much on the lyrical side rather than the narrative.

[Anonymous No.16664402]

>>16664389
Excuse my many typos, I'm phoneposting

[Anonymous No.16664471]

>>16664389
these are nice recs gracias

[Anonymous No.16664781]

>>16660849
Castilla is the core of Spain, angl*id.
The country has different idioms like gallego, catalán, valenciano and euskera.

[Anonymous No.16664793]

>>16664781
>I am a proud cuck!
okay, Pedro.

[Anonymous No.16664796]

>>16663458
Read Onetti.

[Anonymous No.16664827]

>>16664389
García Márquez said he wanted to wrote Pedro Navaja.
Blades did a pretty good job with the story.
A lot songs from Joan Manuel Serrat and Joaquín Sabina are good poems. Serrat even made an album from A. Machado poetry.

Also, fuck English but cuck jannies banned me for speaking spanish in this board.

[Anonymous No.16664842]

>>16660401
Guys, this made me think. Which English phrases and constructions have entered our language? Is "después de todo" an English construcion (from "after all") or is this faggot confused?

[Anonymous No.16664853]

>>16664793
>Proud monolingual
Get out, John.

[Anonymous No.16664866]

>>16664853
cope
only cucks and faggots say castellano lmao

[Anonymous No.16665610]

>>16661327
Yes

[Anonymous No.16665871]

>>16660757
Any thread written by non-anglos are the most /lit/ related.

[Anonymous No.16666058]

Which is the best edition to read The Decameron by Bocaccio in Spanish?

[Anonymous No.16666623]

>>16663120
Autism

[Anonymous No.16666636]

>>16665871
That’s because anglos are the most likely to be intellectually retarded by American culture. Amerikanism is truly the most brutish mental state.

[Anonymous No.16666854]

>>16664866
sounds like the same type of cope like when angloids and frenchoids try to claim they were romans as well cause that was the extent of their empire lol
just admit that you're speaking a superior language that we're so glad that we had the luck for the vieja castilla to spread it throughout the world and that furthermore fortune blessed us with the great opportunity to grow with it natively than learning from it as a secondary language

[Anonymous No.16666925]

Tema del hilo https://youtu.be/3ccb7Rl3PHM

[Anonymous No.16667115]

>>16666925
me hace sentir mal escuchar después de piratear el libro en libgen

[Anonymous No.16667176]

any biographical works worth reading written about this man?

[Anonymous No.16667338]

bamp

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYYIIins No.16667585]

>>16666636

>«BRUTISH».

>«BRITISH».


AHORA VEO, Y MIRO, SEÑOR MÍO...

[Anonymous No.16667597]

>>16667176
Stanley G. Payne is the GOAT for anything related to the Crusade.

[Anonymous No.16667611]

>>16667597
Holy, you weren't kidding, what the hell is this?
also I assume they are written in or at least translated to spanish?

[Anonymous No.16667623]

>>16667585
Oh, shit! here we go again...

[Anonymous No.16667624]

>>16667611
Most are translated into spanish indeed

[Anonymous No.16667651]

>>16667115
jajaj por qué, Maestro estaría feliz

[Anonymous No.16667659]

>>16667651
*demands you*

[Anonymous No.16667661]

>>16667659
sues you*

[Anonymous No.16667671]

>>16667661
Don't bring that anglo bullshit here, we are hispanizating english.

[Anonymous No.16667680]

>>16663120
sounds pretty based to me

[Anonymous No.16667775]

@mexicans from what online sources do you buy books?

I've always bought them from Amazon and sometimes searched Ghandi but I seldom do it anymore because I'd rarely find anything there.

I just saw someone recommend El Sotano, I'll check it out. what else is out there?

also brick and mortar shops in CDMX?
I go there once a year or so and have just gone to an FCE bookstore on Condesa, pretty nice. and IIRC another nice one at Zona Rosa, El Pendulo I think.

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYYIIins No.16667794]

>>16667775


«AMAZON», «GANDHI», «EL SÓTANO», «PÉNDULO», «BUSCALIBRE», «MERCADO LIBRE», «GONVILL», ET CETERA.

[Anonymous No.16667835]

>>16667775
El Péndulo = based

[Anonymous No.16667849]

>>16667835
Why did I read "El Peruano" instead of "El Péndulo"?

[Anonymous No.16667862]

>>16666636
Basado

[Anonymous No.16667956]

>>16667849
Congratulations! you have dyslexia.

[Anonymous No.16667972]

>>16667849
Jajaj peruano

[Anonymous No.16667985]

>>16667775
mercado libre

[Anonymous No.16667995]

>>16667972
What kind of books you can find in a bookstore called "El peruANO"?

[Anonymous No.16668014]

>>16667995
Mmm anos

[Anonymous No.16668158]

>>16664842
You're only confused faggot that "después de todo" refers to moder anglo propaganda presenting the Frenchs as cowards.

[Anonymous No.16668304]

I'm almost finished with Bioy's diary on Borges (the complete edition, about 1500 pp.).
Would anyone be interested in reading a "short" selection of quotes from it? I asked in an older thread but I'll ask again. (If anyone knows where I could upload it, it would be great).

I highlighted a lot of passages (around 100 or so) that I thought were funny or interesting for a broader audience. It's mostly stuff you wouldn't find in his essays, prologues or interviews. Controversial opinions, dirty jokes, events, Borges' women, his tastes and opinions on the better known authors, his writing process, random dreams and ideas, his collaboration with his English translators, etc.

There are many biographies written by some of his close friends, but Bioy spent an awful lot of time with him (they dined together almost every other night) and they shared a very similar humor and worldview.

[Anonymous No.16668305]

Be careful, anon, the Ánima de Sayula is cooming for you.

[Anonymous No.16668312]

>>16668304
I'm not particularly interested, no. I don't want my image of Borges to be damaged by some faggot's diary.

[Anonymous No.16668329]

>>16668312
His best friend and most important collaborator (with the exception of Borges' own mother) is not just "some faggot".

[Anonymous No.16668345]

>>16668304
this sounds great anon

[Anonymous No.16668359]

>>16668304
I'm particularly interested, yes. Do it anon!, Post it! I do want my image of Borges to be damaged forever by some based and autistic faggot's diary.

Nice digits, btw.

[Anonymous No.16668393]

>>16668329
Borges had lots of friends. I believe his most intimate friend was Xul Solar (I could be wrong). Borges himself said that his relation with Bioy was "a la inglesa", that is, formal and somewhat cold. Difference is, Solar (or that friend whose name I can recall) didn't write a gay diary with every interaction with Borges and respected his privacy. His actual best friend wasn't Bioy.

[Anonymous No.16668405]

Are there any good modernist Spanish novelists/prosists (in general)? I was always told that during the late XIX century and early XX century most of Spanish lit was either produced by chad Gen of '98 novelists and essayists, who were trying to recapture the essence of Spain to make it great again after losing the colonies and developed a very concise style (Unamuno etc.), and virgin modernist poets who spent most of their time writing alliteration about sunsets, exotic gardens and fair-skinned gals. However, Valle-Inclán's work is at the same time quite politically loaded and stylistically very modernist (the Sonatas, of course, but also, in great part, the esperpentos), so I assume there has to be more to the story than that.

[Anonymous No.16668428]

>>16668405
The only one I can bear is Baroja. His prose is clean and concise to the point where at times you don't even realize that you're reading a book by a Spaniard.

[Anonymous No.16668454]

Any decent contemporary poet from your cunt? I'm Argentine and most of the national poetry from the 90's onwards I've read was borderline mediocre

[Anonymous No.16668465]

>>16668393
This is wrong on most accounts. He disdained most of his friends dating back to the days of Ultraism. He was co editor and friends with Girondo, for instance, until Girondo stole Haydeé Lange who Borges was courting.
Xul died in 63. When someone asked him about Xul in an interview he almost evaded the question. Maybe you're talking about Peyrou, who died during the mid 70's. He wasn't particularly forthcoming with praise in an anthology with some of Peyrou's short stories. His relationship during the last years was strained. Peyrou also attended many dinners at Bioy's place.
Macedonio was a sort of mentor of Borges, but he died in the 50's.

Borges met Bioy during the 30s and they shortly became great friends. He was godfather to Bioy's daughter. Bioy was going to be the best man in Borges wedding back when he was engaged with María Esther Vazquez. On a couple occasions, Borges pissed all over Bioy's toilette (already blind). You wouldn't keep a friendship with someone like that unless you truly loved him.
They wrote at least 8 books together, film scripts, etc. This explains why they ate together so often.

The book has 2000+ footnotes/citations btw. It's certainly not full of lies and fabrications.

[Anonymous No.16668505]

>>16668393
>>16668465
Something else. >https://www.clarin.com/sociedad/dia-amigo-definiciones-jorge-luis-borges-amistad_0_ry-WtH0Bb.html
The friend who married without telling Borges was Peyrou. According to Bioy's diary, Peyrou was clinically depressed back then and he was living with a woman (she might have worked at a brothel but I'm not going to check it just now). Peyrou was ashamed of their relationship because he knew Borges' own mother would not have approved.

The entries dating to the 50s and 60s are almost 1000 pages long. They were eating together almost daily. The interview from the article above is from 1980. During the late 70s and 80s, Borges was travelling a lot and living abroad, so they couldn't meet as often. I haven't read the part yet, but I suspect María Kodama had some argument or falling apart with either Bioy or his wife, Silvina Ocampo.

[Anonymous No.16668551]

>>16668465
I think Borges is on record saying his friendship with Bioy was merely "a la inglesa", like I said very formal and social.
>Maybe you're talking about Peyrou, who died during the mid 70's.
Probably. I'm thinking about the friend who knew everything about Borges' most private matters. Particularly about his mother. His confidant.
>You wouldn't keep a friendship with someone like that unless you truly loved him.
I mean, otherwise that wouldn't be a frienship.
>The book has 2000+ footnotes/citations btw. It's certainly not full of lies and fabrications.
Never said otherwise.

Post the quotes, though. I was just being a cheeky contrarian and I don't do be the antagonist here lol

Also, I didn't know but apparently Solar and Borges friendship was the subject of an exhibition in NYC in 2013: https://www.as-coa.org/xul-solar-and-jorge-luis-borges-art-friendship

[Anonymous No.16668655]

>>16668551
>I'm thinking about the friend who knew everything about Borges' most private matters. Particularly about his mother. His confidant.
Well, based on this diary, Borges was pretty selective with his most intimate confessions to Bioy, so the a la inglesa description is somewhat accurate. The bulk of the entries are about literature and literary gossip, the collab process, etc.
Bioy and Borges, along with Bioy's father, would sometimes listen to tango and sometimes recite poetry or tell dirty jokes, e.g., Borges compares an inferior English version of the joke "Con paciencia y con saliva, el elefante se la metió a la hormiga".
He confessed he was falling in love with several women (María Esther Vazquez, Maria Kodama). The Bioy-Ocampo couple adviced him on how to proceed and received Borges and Vazquez after they were engaged in their estancia or Mar del Plata, for instance.
A few days before she passed, his mother asked Bioy to look after Borges.
Bioy was full of praise for Borges though, but with Borges growing older, he became more difficult. One quote by a Bianco, when Borges must have been 73 or 74 years old, says something like "They think Macedonio and (someone else) were mad. No, the maddest of them all is Borges".
The juiciest bit, sex wise (I confess I started reading it in part to check if Borges died a virgin) dates back to a very young Borges in Spain, where he and two other mates would visit some girls with whom they'd make out and masturbate; also some mentions of visiting a brothel (no comment on the act).

I don't know where I'll post them though. Pastebin would be terrible for this so maybe I'll make a blog on blogspot. Don't know of any better alternatives and some anons might be scared of perusing Google Docs.

[Anonymous No.16668665]

>>16668428
I think modernist authors can reach higher heights than sober ones, but are worse overall since they often seem to just be jerking off on the page. In this regard, I think some 60s writers struck a better balance between stylistic shenanigans and getting their point across: Luis Martín-Santos' Time of silence manages to channel much of Baroja while being experimental.

Regardless, I am curious as to whether there were Spanish authors similar to Joyce et al. in the early XX century.

[Anonymous No.16668727]

>>16668405
Are you talking about Latin American or European Anglo- and French-style modernism? As far as Latin American Modernism Valle-Inclán does seem to be the best Spaniards produced.
As far as Continental Europe modernism I don't think that ever took off in Spain. You're right that by the late XIX to early XX century Spaniards were trying to cope –for lack of a better word– with the fact that the Empire died, which is why it's not surprising the concept of hispanidad and this unhealthy obsession with Don Quijote arised in this time. But, anyways, I don't think that kind of modernism ever took root, the currents that seem to have impacted early xx century Spanish literature seem to have been more the Avant-Gardes, specially creacionismo, surrealism etc. I feel that if authors like Joyce did have an impact in Spanish literature it happens until la generación del 50, but I'm not so sure.
Sorry for rambling away.

[Anonymous No.16668778]

>>16668665
Spain was enamoured with realism by the time Joyce was writing dreamy stream of consciousness stuff. In Spain, if you didn't write a realist novel, you were considered a joke. They still haven't even overcome that sentiment to this day.

[Anonymous No.16669522]

bump

[Anonymous No.16669621]

>>16668778
Guess if I want to learn more about turn of the century Spanish literature I'll have to bite the bullet and tackle Galdós' spiritual novels and National episodes, then.

I have some hopes that maybe Pérez de Ayala will be a bit more interesting than just plain realism.

[Anonymous No.16669710]

>>16667995
Probably Las once mil vergas

[Anonymous No.16670374]

>>16668304
Yes please ñ

[Anonymous No.16670390]

>>16667849
rent-free

[Anonymous No.16670536]

>>16668778
Spain was realist from day 1.

[Anonymous No.16670980]

>La literatura no se basa en las emociones
>La literatura no sirve apara formarse, tienes que formarte para leer literatura
>La literatura es una trampa para el que no sabe razonar
¿Entonces para que sirve la literatura?
¿Los escritores solo escriben literatura para vender o para hacer propaganda?

[Anonymous No.16671072]

>>16670980
Supongo que se refiere a la literatura como un lenguaje, el cuál es servido para refractar las ideas y opiniones del autor de tal forma que quede presentado estéticamente.

[Anonymous No.16671130]

>>16670980
El objetivo de la literatura jamás fué ser útil, lo que la caracteriza y diferencia de otras formas de escritura es que lo que intenta conseguir es ser bella, estúpido, no instrumental hacia otro fin, salvo que la estudies con algúna investigación en mente o algo por el estilo. La busqueda o la impartición de conocimiento o técnica y otras funciones que la escritura pueda tener son propias de otras formas de escribir.

[Anonymous No.16671137]

>>16671130
"Fue" no lleva acento.

[Anonymous No.16671179]

>>16670980
Sí, es para objetivar las ideas de Libertad, la Razón y bla bla bla

[Anonymous No.16671188]

>>16671130
para experimentar belleza me voy a un museo de arte, mucho más inmediato y fácil, o mejor me voy al metro y veo las chicas guapas

[Anonymous No.16671190]

>>16671188
low IQ response

[Anonymous No.16671213]

>>16660401
Tiene algo de Jaime Sabines?

[Anonymous No.16671225]

>>16671190
Respóndeme a esto:
¿por qué lees literatura?

[Anonymous No.16671471]

Use English.
>>16671188
>para experimentar lo sublime me hecho una paja

[Anonymous No.16671486]

Use English. (Stupid autocorrect)
>>16671188 #
>para experimentar lo sublime me echo una paja

[Anonymous No.16671671]

Just bought la critica and enrolled in one of maestros moocs. I feel like I’m ready to take on the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.16671702]

>>16660632
quien ye esti home

[Anonymous No.16671719]

>>16660401
who is spanish´s pound?

[Anonymous No.16671735]

>>16671719
in what respect?

[Anonymous No.16671778]

>>16671719
that guy who wrote a terrible book about him vaguely in his style - poundemonium

[Anonymous No.16672773]

>>16671719
Me

[Anonymous No.16672839]

So I've been reading some boat stories, like the Aubrey-Maturin series. Pretty much all of these are from the point of view of the British royal navy, but I've always been interested in other nations as well.

Are there any good spanish boat stories?

[Anonymous No.16673481]

bump

[Anonymous No.16673640]

What's going on with the autist that writes on capital letters?

[Anonymous No.16673841]

GENTLEMEN!

[Anonymous No.16673861]

>>16673640
Autistic tripfag looking for attention

[Anonymous No.16673916]

>>16668304
>>16668551
>Post the quotes
I'm compiling it. I'm about 2/5's into it and already at 6000 words lmao. Maybe I overdid it. I guess I'll have to rearrange it in different sections, like "Humor", "Critica Literaria", "Gustos", "Las mujeres", "Misc", etc.

Here's a bit of a controversial exchange:
>Sábado, 12 de enero. Comen en casa Borges y Juan José Hernández. BORGES: «A diferencia de los gringos aquí o de los judíos en muchas partes, los negros de los Estados Unidos son un problema real y no ficticio. Hay algo evidente en los negros que nos rechaza. Por eso los argentinos vemos a los brasileros como macacos». Hernández: «No hay ningún parecido entre los negros y los monos. Los labios abultados son propios del hombre; los monos no tienen casi labios, la boca es como un tajo». BORGES: «Todas esas diferencias que usted señala son contraproducentes. Son muy sospechosas. Usted las señala porque piensa que hay algún parecido entre negros y monos. No se pondría a enumerar las diferencias que hay entre griegos y monos, entre la Venus de Milo y un mono». Hablamos de que hubo y ya no había negros aquí. «Qué lástima», exclama Hernández. («Este muchacho es completamente idiota», comenta después, al recordar la exclamación, Borges).

[Anonymous No.16674277]

>>16670980
Es que depende de con que óptica veas a la literatura, si la ves a través del materialismo filosófico y la crítica de la razón iteraría, pues si, además que en estos puntos se refiere a la literatura como lenguaje, eso si, estoy muy de acuerdo con el punto de que la literatura no provee conocimientos per se (puede haber ciertas excepciones), sino que los exige.

[Anonymous No.16674605]

>>16671719
Max Rojas.

He wrote "Cuerpos".

[Anonymous No.16674736]

>>16673916
Stop posting this shit. This will get him cancelled, retard.

[Anonymous No.16674812]

>>16674736
How old are you lmao. You must be pretty fucking immature to be this delusional about /lit/'s reach.

>Miércoles, 23 de abril (1958). Come en casa Borges. (…) Me cuenta que la embajada de Israel lo invitó a una recepción en el Teatro Colón: «Vi que era con frac y no fui. Qué raro si hubiera alquilado un frac y al llegar al Colón descubriera que el embajador era el que me había alquilado el frac. Qué raro si toda la fiesta se hubiera organizado para alquilar muchos fracs. [Mauricio] Müller no entiende estos chistes contra los judíos; se queda muy triste, como si dijera: “Ay, aquí también me persiguen”. Yo siempre pienso que tendrían que hacerle gracia».

>Lunes, 14 de octubre (1957). Come en casa Borges. (…) BORGES: «Qué triste especializarse en literatura peruana, boliviana y paraguaya. Desde luego, Giusti es un bruto».

>Sábado 30 de mayo (1959). Come en casa Borges (…) BIOY: “En el Brasil y en Chile habrá más villas miseria que aquí. Y allí los negros son verdaderos”. BORGES: “Sí, profesionales: no amateurs, como los nuestros”.

And a joke
>Viernes, 29 de junio (1962). Leíamos un ensayo sobre astronomía. El autor afirmaba que el gran desarrollo de la astronomía ocurrió en el siglo XX, con la construcción de grandes telescopios. Continuamente volvían las menciones, cada vez más entusiastas, de estos aparatos: los enormes telescopios, los inmensos y poderosos telescopios. Borges, primero, comentó: «Qué obsesión»; después opinó: «Seguramente unas páginas más adelante ya dice: Las grandes pijas».

[Anonymous No.16674838]

>>16674812
Mate, we've discussed this months ago in these kinds of threads precisely on that Bioy's diary. Don't share shit that will damage Borges' place in the canon. There are many progres here believe it or not and there are already recent articles on Borges' controversial views. Stop making fucking noise with that. I thought you were going to post literature-related stuff not /pol/ shit. All it takes is a fucking noisy tweet and academia will shit on him forever and cancel him.

[Anonymous No.16674914]

>>16674838
>Don't share shit that will damage Borges' place in the canon.
Eh, sorry, but I'm not a coward nor as intellectually dishonest as you retarded Maestro spamming faggots have decided to be or whatever. Plus, you're greatly overestimating the influence this place has.
>a noisy tweet
Oh, no! Not a tweet!!

Anyone with a tiny bit of curiosity will find this stuff, for the simple reason it has been known since forever. Seems like you never read some of his conversations. When do you think he said the local Basque were stupidly proud when all they could do was being pelotari? In an interview from the 80s.
At any rate, it's only a few jokes and controversial opinions he held in private. Opinions he repeated in other interviews btw, things better documented anyway.

[Anonymous No.16674922]

>>16674914
Maestro faggs actually dont like Borges because he was a english lord wannabe lol. An englandboo.

[Anonymous No.16674923]

>>16674914
What does Maestro have to do with this?

[Anonymous No.16674935]

>>16674838
Bueno Borges perdio el nobel por celebrar a pinochet. Ademas era un incel y sobrevalorado como escritor.

[Anonymous No.16674957]

>>16674935
Wtf I love (even more) Borges now

[Anonymous No.16674978]

>>16674923
Same sort of delusional mentality. Nobody knew or cared who the fuck he was until 2 years ago.
They think spamming him will make anglos interested in him or even relevant.
>let's make a Wiki page for him!
Some dude has even started translating his 3500 book lmao.

[Anonymous No.16675054]

>>16674914
>Plus, you're greatly overestimating the influence this place has.
Your underestimating the influence this place has.
>Oh, no! Not a tweet!!
A tweet, some noise and then academia fags hear about it and publish their faggy articles where they analyze all he said and condemn him. Effectively removing him from the canon, the university's syllabus, like they've done with many other writers. Think two steps ahead.
>Anyone with a tiny bit of curiosity will find this stuff, for the simple reason it has been known since forever.
It hasn't been translated into English and newer generations of readers haven't found it. Much less foreign academia. Stuff like this is fucking poison for a writer. And he's a modern writer so things like "it was another time" doesn't really apply as much.
>Seems like you never read some of his conversations.
I have read the book, which is precisely why I know it can damage him in the Western world. The /pol/ shit obviously.

[Anonymous No.16675062]

>>16674923
He lives rent-free in retarded niggers' minds.

[Anonymous No.16675072]

>>16674935
>sobrevalorado
kek he's literally the best writer from Latin America.

[Anonymous No.16675095]

>>16675054
>Muh canon

who cares.

[Anonymous No.16675097]

>>16675072
because 2 o 3 good short stories?.lol

[Anonymous No.16675123]

>>16675097
Because of his entire body of work. His aesthetic achievements that made was the GOAT form LatAm. He's a canonical and universal writer now. Any other writer you can name is inferior. I'm not even an Argentinian but this is an undisputable fact.

[Anonymous No.16675140]

>>16675095
Anyone with scruple and brains. Will never get anywhere with third-world attitudes such as these. "Fuck that guy's reputation as long as I get a laugh!" Fucking retards.

[Anonymous No.16675155]

>>16675140
Stop projecting.

[Anonymous No.16675165]

>>16675123
>entire body of work.
>His aesthetic achievements

buzzwords.

And it seems you learn a new word today: "canon". Congratulations.

>>16675140
>noo you can't question the status of my naked emperor Borgerino.

man up faggot.

[Anonymous No.16675189]

>>16675165
>status
>naked emperor
Buzzwords.

>And it seems you learn a new word today: "canon". Congratulations.
You should learn it as well, nigger. Might help you realize what you're missing out on.

I sense a leftist faggot.

[Anonymous No.16675200]

>>16675189
>n word
I sense a teenager or an edgy retard who grew up on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.16675205]

>>16675200
I sense a woman who ran out of things to say.

[Anonymous No.16675212]

>>16675205
Maybe be slightly more self aware before you say this sort of shit. This is pure delusion.
What exactly did you "say" (of substance) here? >>16675189

[Anonymous No.16675215]

>>16675212
Maybe be slightly more self-aware before you say this sort of shit. This is pure delusion.
What exactly did you "say" (of substance) here? >>16675165

[Anonymous No.16675221]

>>16675189
>buzzwords
No, is pretty clear that I refer to the inflated status of your naked emperor. If you don't know that fairy tale you should read it is part of the "canon". And I've heard about the ""canon" since I was 12.

[Anonymous No.16675222]

>>16675215
I'm not even that guy. You seem to have regressed to a 10 year old's sense of humor.

[Anonymous No.16675240]

God dammit what the hell have you done to this thread

Here's a funny bit
>Sábado, 31 de diciembre (1966). Come en casa Borges. (…) Vamos a saludar a los del cuarto piso. En el comedor hay mucha gente; entre otros, Ladislao Retí, un ingeniero de Trieste, amigo de otros tiempos, al que no veo desde que vive en el Brasil. Sin duda en un subconsciente impulso de mostrar afecto procedo a besarle la mejilla. Por un largo rato no puedo pensar en otra cosa. Con qué poco pierdo la cabeza, etcétera. Se lo cuento a Borges, que comenta: «No ha de pasar un cuarto de hora sin que uno haga un acto disparatado».
>Después, entramos en la salita de Silvina. Ahí está, solo, el hijo de Retí. Cuando le deseo feliz año, me dice que espera que el nuevo sea un poco mejor. Me parece que el muchacho está con lágrimas en los ojos. Por Silvina sé que ha tenido algunos disgustos y que está tristísimo. Borges, que ve muy poco, y que sigue preocupado con nuestra pieza de teatro, dice: «Tal vez la solución sea el suicidio». El muchacho lo mira atónito. Yo trato de explicarle el inextricable embotellamiento al que llegamos en este tercer acto.

[Anonymous No.16675257]

>>16675221
>Your terms are buzzwords, my meme terms are not.
Sure, faggot, sure. And the use of the phrase is independent to the fairy tale. It has a life of its own. Also, you quite literally can't name any Spanish-language LatAm writer better than Borges. He walks circles around anyone. Do it. Name a better writer.

[Anonymous No.16675264]

>>16675222
>leave my girlfriend alone
fuck off

[Anonymous No.16675280]

>>16675240
kek
too bad he will get cancelled :(

[Anonymous No.16675334]

>>16675257
>better novelist
anyone
>better poet
Easy. Vallejo, Ruben Dario, Neruda etc.
>essayist
Octavio Paz
>short stories
Ok Borges was the best short stories writer. Happy?.

[Anonymous No.16675383]

>>16675334
>Ok Borges was the best short stories writer. Happy?.
But he only wrote "2 or 3 good short stories", remember? Are you saying someone who wrote "2 or 3 good short stories" is the best short story writer from the region?

[Anonymous No.16675393]

>>16675334
>Octavio Paz
Now there we actually have someone with an inflated status

[Anonymous No.16675399]

>>16675334
Based, although Borges' essays were also quite good. Dario was a far greater poet than any other human has ever been, novels are for redditors.

[Anonymous No.16675418]

>>16675383
Yes. Kafka made into the ""canon"" with 2 short stories basically. (But not just good, Outstanding stories.)

Now Borges has some good short stories but to talk about:
>entire body of work.
>His aesthetic achievements

don't be a fanboy.


>>16675399
Some novels are antiredditors imo. Arlt novels, or Pedro Paramo for instance.

[Anonymous No.16675442]

>>16675280
who cares if some twitter nobodies try to "cancel" him. Do you think people canceled heidegger? The man was a literal nazi and is still held in the highest regard in all philosophical and literary circles/

[Anonymous No.16675449]

>>16675418
>2 short stories basically
The Metamorphosis is a novella, though. And The Trial and The Castle are novels.
>entire body of work.
Correct. In order to weight his work we should consider all of it and all of it is good, not equally as good, but good nonetheless. You're thinking in strict "best-hits" terms.
>His aesthetic achievements
Yes. His prose in Spanish and his style are an achievement. Some take it for granted now but they shouldn't. But Borges wasn't yet another florid writer or realist writer like those in his day. Borges is probably the closest Latin Americans ever got to Flaubert's le mot juste philosophy. An impeccable writing style.

[Anonymous No.16675463]

>>16675442
It starts on twitter, then moves to the media, then to academia, then he's cancelled. Hopefully nothing happens but I've already read recent English articles regarding these issues. Those were in minor websites, though. I can't imagine what would happen if major publications deal with this.

[Anonymous No.16675474]

>>16675449
>His prose in Spanish and his style are an achievement.

why?
>An impeccable writing style.
why?

[Anonymous No.16675487]

>>16675463
Stop being a retard, it has been known that Borges was a racist and that he sympathized with Pinochet since the last century. Galeano, for example mentions it in one of his text, followed by him saying he still enjoyed Borges. I know that most if not all of my left-wing literature friends and professors know and no one gives a shit.

[Anonymous No.16675491]

>>16675474
Christ, man, just fucking read Borges. I'm not even the one shilling for him, but his unique literary merit is undeniable.
And the anon you replied to even explicitly compared Borges' style to Flaubert's le mot juste.

[Anonymous No.16675497]

>>16675442
Many germans including Hegel, Marx and Schopenhauer would be erased by similar reasons.

>>16675463
if that happens, then is not that good.

>>16675487
>Borges was a racist
it shows in many of his short stories actually.

[Anonymous No.16675510]

>>16675487
>Stop being a retard, it has been known that Borges was a racist and that he sympathized with Pinochet since the last century. Galeano, for example mentions it in one of his texts, followed by him saying he still enjoyed Borges. I know that most if not all of my left-wing literature-interested friends and professors know and no one gives a shit.
>>16675497
>it shows in many of his short stories actually.
Had too many typos in the last post so I deleted it but even if that's true it's not as noticeable or prominent as in writers like Neruda (who even after "cancelled" is still enjoyed by most except for 21 poemas)

[Anonymous No.16675523]

>>16675487
Maybe I'm just being paranoid retard. Alright, take care everyone.

[Anonymous No.16675549]

>>16675491
but I've read all of Borges. When he writes about himself makes me cringe. btw

What is that you all see and can't say this is? Maybe I have to learn french and read Flaubert to get it?.

[Anonymous No.16675589]

I bought El Aleph recently, had already read Ficciones and El Libro de Arena.
La Casa de Asterion is a great short story.

[Anonymous No.16675603]

>>16675589
Finally someone who doesn't hate Borges' work. Enjoy El Aleph, Anon.

[Anonymous No.16675671]

Miren mis dobles.

[Anonymous No.16675839]

>>16675671
no, los mios

[Anonymous No.16676519]

>>16675671
Check these