The Republic

[Anonymous No.16658391]

Alright, I just finished it; where do I go from here?

[Anonymous No.16658397]

>>16658391
To the gay bar lol

[Anonymous No.16658405]

I am currently reading it. I am at chapter 6, not that impressed so far.

[Anonymous No.16658414]

>>16658391
what else of Plato have you read?

[Anonymous No.16658440]

>>16658414
Nothing. This is the first "philosophy" book that I've read. I was told to start with it.

[Anonymous No.16658517]

>>16658440
read this next

[Anonymous No.16658522]

>>16658440
Whoever told you to start with Republic threw you in the deep end. There are dialogues that are more accessible that most people recommend to start with first - here are a few essential ones.
-Euthyphro
-Apology
-Crito
-Phaedo
-Meno
-Symposium

[Anonymous No.16658538]

>>16658391
Now you write your own version of the Republic where you explore what you perceive to be the inadequacies of the original.

[Anonymous No.16658563]

>>16658522
>>16658517
Thanks
>>16658538
Ok

[Anonymous No.16658575]

>>16658522
This, don't do what I did; I read out of order. The Republic is great, but start elsewhere.
>>16658538
Hard to say what inadequacies are with philosophy, all that can be done, I think, is disagreement or agreement.

[Anonymous No.16658588]

>>16658575
Agreement and disagreement isn't in isolation of a reason

[Anonymous No.16658601]

>>16658397
Heh heh

[Anonymous No.16658602]

>>16658538
Not him but my problem is not necesssrily that the system is bad, rather that I think there are many non sequiturs. The result might be ok but the thought process isn't that convincing, its just like his educated guess.

[Anonymous No.16658604]

>>16658575
Maybe it shouldn't be considered an inadequacy, but it was clear to me when I read the Republic that certain lines of thought were underdeveloped in favor of others. It would be worthwhile to explore these on one's own.

[Anonymous No.16658648]

>>16658391
Mein Kampf then The Lightning And The Sun

[Anonymous No.16658734]

>>16658440
If youre just starting out with philosophy and trying to get a general picture, id highly recommend you to continue with Descartes' meditations.
Plato and Descartes together form the two key starting points for ancient and modern philosophy respectively, and both have a pretty accessible writing style.

[Anonymous No.16658811]

>>16658734
Thank you

[Anonymous No.16658884]

>>16658588
Reason is all well and good, but we cannot prove any philosophy to be particularly correct. While it is important to use rational thought to come to conclusions, at a certain point the ideas cannot be disproven, only disagreed with.
>>16658604
Yeah I agree. Plato explores some of those ideas, and the other important ideas, in his other works.

[Anonymous No.16658900]

>>16658397
Back to his faggot

[Anonymous No.16659002]

Don't want to post this in a new thread: am I supposed to know about the basic plot of a Greek tragedy before reading it? I know that with works like Oedipus, pretty much everyone knew the story already, but does this apply to all plays by all ancient Greek tragedians? Did our modern understanding of tension and surprise not have a place there?

[Anonymous No.16659131]

>>16659002
Bump for interest

[Anonymous No.16659371]

>>16658517
How do I cope with this book

[Anonymous No.16659453]

>>16658648
HOLY BASED

[Anonymous No.16659479]

>>16659002
The Republic isn't a tragedy or even a play. No, of course not.

[Anonymous No.16659825]

>>16659479
>>16659002
Learn to read, that's not what he asked

[Anonymous No.16660419]

>>16659002
no, why on earth would you have to know the plot BEFORE you read it? you may need to know previous culture, to get references, but with a good book that shouldnt be a problem

[Anonymous No.16661088]

>>16660419
Because for some plays the plot was basic public knowledge - the story of Oedipus was well known and part of ancient culture. Oedipus recognizing the truth wasn't a surprising plot twist akin to Fight Club, the spectators suffered through seeing him inevitably digging his grave ever deeper. It wasn't as much about what happened but _how_ it did.
Having said that, can we assume the same for Euripides, Aeschylus, Aristophanes and so on? Phaedra, and others as far I know, wasn't mentioned in Homer's epics. On a tangential note: do you know of any Greek plays with mostly original stories?

[Anonymous No.16661108]

>>16661088
just read them twice then