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When does it become good?

>> No.16629060

>>16628947
Never

>> No.16629062

>>16629060
so is the entire cyberpunk genre built on mediocre shit like this and the matrix or is there anything of value here

>> No.16629081

>>16629062
Ribofunk, but only that, and even so I've heard it being called biopunk more often

>> No.16629100

>>16628947
You got filtered. Nothing wrong with that.

>> No.16629151

>>16628947
Right around "The sky above the port was the color of the television, tuned to the dead channel."

>> No.16629196

>>16628947
Read the Software series by Rudy Rucker. They're really good and a bit mind bending

>> No.16629214

When Count Zero punches Jeffrey Epstein for being a faggot.

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>>16629151
This colour right?

>> No.16629532

>>16629062
cyberpunk is kinda reddit ngl except for blade runner

>> No.16629590

>>16629060
fpbp

I was shocked at how bad it was when I read it years ago. Its praise is just another expression of the bugmen consoomer attitude i.e. "people like this so I have to like it too".

>> No.16630117

>>16629590
>I read it
>I reddit

go back

>> No.16630486

when it's the 80s and there's prescience in the pulp

>> No.16630727

>>16628947
Read Transmetropolitan instead.

>> No.16631393

>>16628947
The book is only good when you're talking about it. Jerking yourself raw about the prose and ebin deep philosophical insights or whatever is always going to be ten times more entertaining then reading through the private thoughts of a horny weeb.
I think calling things "reddit" is lazy and stupid. It takes away from substantial and clear criticism by just obfuscating behind several layers of irony and self-superiority. All that being said, this is the most reddit book I have ever fucking read.

>> No.16631763

I liked the bit about the whore chip, not much else

>> No.16631770

Is this burgerpunk?

>> No.16632027

>>16630727
based jerusalemposter

>> No.16632187

>>16628947
You have already seen the cover.

>> No.16632200

The only good part is the beginning really than it goes to shit towards the end so uhhhh guess never

>> No.16632813

>>16628947
My recollection of this piece:
>young junkie in a dystopian alternate near future finds a SUPER HOT DEADLY CHICK that fucks him on their first date
>some shit happened before that but who cares
>someone restores his cyber surfing Mary Sue abilites
>he will also die if he doesn't cooperate with his new contractor because SUPER DEADLY POISON GLANDS
>the Johnson is super shady but in the end he is actually another dude that got brain fucked by some AI or whatever
>they catch Cyberpunk David Copperfield Illusionist ©
>SPACE RASTAFARI
>Some deep philosophical shit, partially in the matrix but it feels actually like real life
>AI goes rogue and the hot chick goes AWOL

I read it in english which isn't my native language. Felt convoluted at times. 6/10 it took me embarassingly long to finish it but I promised a friend I would do so. I love cyberpunk and seeing where most of the terminology still used to date came from was worth it.

>> No.16632853

>>16632813
The Mc is not a Mary Sue. Half the time he's clueless and helpless in the real world. And as a jockey (hacker), he's okay, but not the best, not even brilliant. Most of the work is done by the AI construct (his former mentor). His skill is surviving the "flatlines" because the uber AI likes him or needs him for some reason.

>> No.16632976

>>16628947
it literally peaks in the first chapter

>> No.16633033

I enjoyed it and thought the afterlife type thing was fairly interesting. It’s a cool adventure in an interesting world, not philosophy or whatever.

>> No.16633059

snow crash >

>> No.16633181

>>16633059
Love snow crash but I’d say it’s not better just more adventure and less sci fi

>> No.16633227

>>16632187
underrated tweet

>> No.16633729

Eclipse Phase is probably the best recent cyberpunk publication. And that's collaborative drama. With dice.

>> No.16633769

>It's another /lit/ reads a book and shits on it but refuses to state why for fear of being called out as being an illiterate retard
I love this episode!

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>>16629062
The Matrix (1999) was built on Neuromancer (1984). Neither are mediocre.
>>16629485

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>>16628947
Enjoyed the book except the ending. Just read it if your interested in cyberpunk else it's probably not worth it. It's more a thing that you read to get more into the know of that genre. Besides that the book should be read with the times in mind when computers were a completely new thing.

>> No.16633921

>>16628947
If you're looking for good prose or amazing story telling, never
It's just dumb fun and has an interesting world. If you don't like it drop it.

>> No.16633941

>>16633788
Neuromancer is a short story projected into a novel and suffers all the deficiencies of a hard first chapter and a weak rest.

The Turkish sequence is incomprehensible because Case is high on delierients. It is incomprehensible because Gibson can't write for shit.

Gibson unknowingly wrote a detective fiction pastiche.

French-Australian villains? Come on, is this racial profiling cunt? Can you imagine just how fucking obnoxious a Skip-Frog fucking capitalist clone rape incest family would be? What kind of enormous conceited cunts they'd be. Myself and my French wife think you're total cunts, not fully sick cunts, total cunts.

>> No.16634276

>>16629062
>matrix
>mediocre
FUCK YOU

>> No.16634306

>>16634276
I have to agree with your point. The Matrix isn't mediocre. It is abysml.

>> No.16634332

>>16634276
>>16634306
The matrix was ruined for me by the creators retroactively turning it into a trans story

>> No.16634370

>>16634332
>Death of the author.
I think you missed a great deal of critical history. Namely everything from 1920 onwards.

>> No.16634491

>>16634332
They didn't retroactively turn it into a trans story. The entire core of the film is realizing constructs are just constructs and rejecting them to form your own identity. It works for trans people without changing a thing about it, but it also works for anybody who's struggled in finding their own identity in general

>> No.16634494

>>16634370
I get it, but it still leaves a sour taste in my mouth

>> No.16634590

>>16634494
Stop reading metatexts and restrict your reading to texts you enjoy. It is as if you're leaving your mouth open next to a hole in a toilet wall and complaining about the taste of random loads.

>> No.16634881

it's supposed to grab you initially with a rock-solid atmospheric first chapter, then leave you blue-balled for the rest of the book desperately hoping for it to return to the quality of the first chapter, only to be met with a convoluted plot with bizarre motives.

>> No.16634890

>>16634332
It's not a trans story you fucking idiot, it's about people formerly stuck in a simulation fighting robots.

>> No.16634901

>>16634890
Trains, he said trains. It is the story of people trapped inside a children's television programme narrated by ringo starr fighting trains.

>> No.16634967

>>16634881
I found the prologue even more meandering than the rest of the book, the only part I really liked was Case losing his marbles and going paranoid over Wage but around the time he fucc the hot leatherclad cybergirl I've pretty much given up on it being anything decent
I just don't like Molly in general desu

>> No.16634969

>>16628947
has gibson written anything worthwhile beside the sprawl trilogy?

>> No.16634976

>>16628947
just read snowcrash and be done with it

>> No.16634996

>>16634969
Most of his pre-Sprawl short stories are better than Sprawl. Dogfight or Fokkers vs Spads is fucking brilliant. You do need to know your 1970s and 1980s US warcrimes to enjoy it pinnacle, but lets just say central america was the 80s afghanistan.

>> No.16635036

Did anyone else not know what was happening until the end

>> No.16635070

>>16634332
>he doesn't realize that's just a way of protecting weak hylic minds from gnosis overloads
Ngmi

>> No.16635075

>>16635036
That's how detective stories work.

>> No.16635114

>>16635075
Nah, I ment with the writing style. It was too hard to follow

>> No.16635119

>>16635114
you're supposed to glaze over the prose and pay attention to the dialogue

>> No.16635517

>>16635114
The only time I had some slightly spatial confusion was when Case's backstabbing gf gets murdered (or is it when Molly uses her flechette to kill someone tracking Case? I don't remember) or the moment Case realizes the French illusionist dude has fucked them.
I always say prose wise, Neuromancer is very similar to noir fiction. They talk about informants, theatres, alleys, bars, people and products, and you don't need to know everything in minute detail. It would take too much space to write everything when the most important aspect is conveying a tone and who's going to fuck with whom.
Still, I felt like Gibson had imagined every bit of the action which is there if you read carefully. Sometimes a bit obscured by its heavy style though. Suffice it to say, I wasn't filtered by it and I actually found it to be one of the best things about the novels. The extremely dense, drug addled, meticulous prose fits the setting and narrative perfectly and it's sadly not quite as polished in the sequels.

>> No.16635879

>>16633941
What the fuck are you talking about, turkish sequence is completly straightforward. The only parts that I could see people struggle with are the ones in the matrix, where you actually have to use imagination

>> No.16635958

>>16629062
The problem with Neuromancer, The Matrix and other seminal works of cyberpunk is the same problem with watching Seinfeld today. What made it special has become mundane.

>> No.16635975

>>16629062
You have to have been there

>> No.16635984

>>16629532
>blade runner
>not reddit garbage
Leave.

>> No.16635986

>>16635958
You're right except that the Matrix is nowhere near a seminal work of the genre.

>> No.16636034

>>16628947
Before 1990

>> No.16636063

>>16635958
Idk I feel that Seinfeld still holds up even today.

>> No.16636070

>external factors influence your opinion
Is it just a coincide genre fiction fags are so impressionable and tend to be retarded?

>> No.16636315

>>16636063
you've stopped massacring delivery recipients?

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>"The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a 4channel."
What did he mean by this?

>> No.16636327

>>16636322
this >>16629485

>> No.16636515

>>16629196
>first novel of the series takes place in 2020
>author is apparently the great-great-great-grandson of Hegel
interested, ngl

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>>16630727
>>16632027

>> No.16637854

>>16636322
Don't you watch 4chan on TV? It's all I do these days. He means Yotsuba B.