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16623517 No.16623517 [Reply] [Original]

Is philosophy just a massive cope?

>> No.16623521

>>16623517
it's masturbation

>> No.16623532

Yeah, but why not

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>>16623517
Yes.

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>>16623517
That's a worthless take because you don't understand why philosophy is flawed. It can be a cope all you like, but if you can't refute it, then you lost the argument.

Watch the video
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTgy3WCT0UU

But I suppose you're right on one point that Wittgenstein takes up in Culture and Value; philosophy is captivating because humans are intelligent enough to desire permanence and certainty, but not intuitive enough to realize that there is no such thing as permanence or certainty.

>> No.16623590

>>16623571
>That's a worthless take because you don't understand why philosophy is flawed.
I'm not so much asserting that it is just a cope, but the question has been on my mind as I spend more time reading/thinking about philosophy.

>> No.16623645

>>16623590
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be overly aggressive, but you know that a shitpost style question has a particular literary form.

I think it changes how you view philosophy once you've understood Wittgenstein (you don't have to read him, just understand him). You see that copes are not bad things, but speculation is worthless. Practical philosophy and religion are useful ways of overcoming the urge to speculate. But what is valuable in them is actually coping and not speculation.

It's because many value judgements are relative that a Diogenes can find freedom in poverty or that St Paul can find freedom in being imprisoned, shipwrecked, and beaten (as he relates happened to him in his letters). That is a cope, but coping is much more important than speculation.

>> No.16623652

>>16623517
If it were, that would be a philosophical assessment. Philosophy is unavoidable. Some of us just prefer to verse ourselves in the history of where these conversations have gone and where they don't go, so as to sound like less of an illiterate child.

>> No.16623672

>>16623652
>Assessments of philosophy =/= philosophical assessments

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>>16623517
No, it is thinking.

>> No.16623680

Everything is a cope, etc etc

>> No.16623712

>>16623517
Did you accidentally use the word "cope" correctly?

>> No.16623785

>>16623517
>Coping means to invest one's own conscious effort, to solve personal and interpersonal problems, in order to try to master, minimize or tolerate stress and conflict.

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No beside it being incredibly fun to situate historical events around the writing documents of learned men (and women) speculating on logic, epistemology, aesthetics, politics and metaphysics, the necessity for one to exercise their own capacity to speculate on such subjects is not only an exercise that develops in strength and ability over time but themselves lay the foundation for new and profound ways of speculating on ones own present which is, by definition, always new and untouched territory. Hopefully these words have cleared what doubts your insecurities engender. I suggest reading philosophy you like as opposed to philosophy people recommend, that way you won’t have to act needlessly like lost people often accuse others of doing.

>> No.16624458

>>16623517
You can say "cope" literally about everything. Doesn't make any sense.

>> No.16624692

It's better to live first hand than to think about living. Philosophers all had miserable lives and coped by thinking about the thoughts

>> No.16624707

>>16623571
Yes which is why we don't use numbers or math to tell us how much groceries cost together

>> No.16624719

>>16623517
What was Thales coping with?

>> No.16624791

>>16624707
What a strawman, bravo, you will never have to think an uncomfortable thought ever if you keep on going like that.

>> No.16624843

>>16624791
cope

>> No.16624852

>>16623517
Everything outside of philosophy is.

>> No.16624856

>>16624692
>let me tell you about my philosophy

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>>16624852

>> No.16624873

>>16624791
Calling something a strawman is a strawman in your structure. I brought up a counterpoint to you saying nothing can be known or have permanece. If you don't have a permanece calculus or something to differentiate my point then they're similar

>> No.16624879

>>16623517
Sophia makes me COOM massive ropes

>> No.16624914

>>16623517
Everything but suicide or Machiavellian, narcissistic hedonism is.

>> No.16624925

>>16624856
It's better to have your own philosophy than to follow some pseudo platonic cuck shit

>> No.16625158

>>16624925
Ya I like philosophy too