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I'm starting to realize all art is shit. Any books that touch on this?

>> No.16622713

>>16622709
>all art is shit
And we're all artists
Go cry more, frogger

>> No.16622715

Why do you think that?

>> No.16622716

>>16622709
Piero Manzoni's works.

>> No.16622722

>>16622715
All art is merely masturbation. Music, painting, literature, all of it. It is purely escapism that serves no purpose other than distraction and to masturbate the artist's ego.

>> No.16622723

>>16622709
not a good look for pepe posters

>> No.16622728

>>16622722
Give an example of what you think is a worthy purpose then

>> No.16622752

>>16622728
Helping people in need, devoting yourself to science, literally just anything that benefits society and what's around you a.K.a the real world ("no"; seducing them with masturbatory art and fake pleasure is not beneficial btw)

>> No.16622756

>>16622752
What about art which evokes the sentiment of lifting up your community?

>> No.16622760

>>16622756
It is too easy to get high on the sentiment of lifting up the community, rather than actually lifting up your community. Akin to reading a self help book and getting hyped yet doing nothing in the end.

>> No.16622765

>>16622752
>Helping people in need
masturbatory ego stroking
>devoting yourself to science
masturbatory martyrdom/ego
>literally just anything that benefits society and what's around you
ego ego ego me me me oh woe is me im so good
cringe senpai

>> No.16622771

>>16622756
>lifting up your community
FUCK OFF BACK TO >>>/fit/andstaythere

>> No.16622783

>>16622771
I browsed /fit/ like 7 years ago when I started lifting and then stopped shortly afterwards.

>>16622760
I think that's a major issue, people like the thought of being helpful, but not putting the effort into it. But if your work even shifted only 1 person to action, wouldn't that be a net benefit?

>> No.16622785

>>16622709
Plato

>> No.16622802

>>16622783
>if your work even shifted only 1 person to action, wouldn't that be a net benefit
where does that meme come from?

>> No.16622812

>>16622709
Shit isn't that bad, though.

>> No.16622825

>>16622783
And yet you think you can lift your entire community?

>> No.16622892
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16622892

>>16622709
I think Walter Benjamin's "work of art" is about that or you can just read pic related.

>> No.16622911

>>16622892
This is not how it works

>> No.16622916

>>16622911
Cope

>> No.16622919

>If all art is shit, why shouldn't all shit be art?
t. modernists

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16622928

>>16622771
>>16622825

>> No.16622969

>>16622752
How does art not benefit society when it fulfills these functions and more for so many people:

>catharsis
>inspiration
>improve attention span and focus
>entertainment
>civilizing element
>socializing element

>> No.16622981

>>16622928
Lift here isn't some metaphor for collective empowerment and development. I literally mean a deadlift, kettle lift, bench, clean and jerk. Your choice.

>> No.16622998

>>16622709
>I'm starting to realize all art is shit. Any books that touch on this?

Unironically, the Bible.

Ecclesiastes, for starters.

>> No.16623091

>>16622969
>>catharsis
Useless.
>>inspiration
Artistic inspiration i.e. useless.
>>improve attention span and focus
False.
>>entertainment
Completely useless and arguably evil, even.
>>civilizing element
Not necessary for it.
>>socializing element
Not necessary for it.

>> No.16623103

>>16622722
>Idiotic half formed thought typical of an edgy 20 year old.

Fuck off and read your ayn Rand you loser.

>> No.16623112

>>16623091
Catharsis and entertainment are not useless; they help maintain stress levels and can curb more destructive behavior. Inspiration drawn from art is not merely artistic; it can inspire one to behave better, or to work towards better physical fitness / finding a better partner / obtaining a better life in general. Practicing art can certainly improve attention span and focus for certain people. Art still serves as a civilizing and/or socializing element for many people regardless if it's necessary, and the fact that it does suggests that it has a certain appeal for certain people and that it works for them.

Not sure what the point of this post was since you seem to have deliberately gotten everything backwards.

>> No.16623173

>>16622709
Book 10 of Plato´s Republic

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16623222

>>16622722
>All art is merely masturbation.
Wrong.