Nordic socialism

[Anonymous No.16622451]

Books on nordic socialism.

The only socialism that worked and works today. Of course its on the decline as you can see on this graph. But most workers are doing alright.

[Anonymous No.16622453]

>>16622451
Viking Economics

[Anonymous No.16622459]

Roland Huntford's The New Totalitarians

[Anonymous No.16622476]

Inequalities are huge in Scandinavian countries, plus workers' protections are very poor. Stop idolising these countries simply because they have high taxes and are rich. You'd better look at France and Belgium, to see what works and what doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.16622586]

>>16622476
at least in finland inequalities are the lowest in the world, dont know about the others though

[Anonymous No.16622658]

>>16622451
>nordic
>socialism
I'm getting tired of bored ignorant angloids calling Scandinavia socialist in any way or form. They have some of the most open decentralized economies in the world.
https://www.heritage.org/index/heatmap
The only reason Denmark isn't topping the list is because of gibsmedat, that stupid americanoids think is what socialism is about. Socialism is a system of production. Turns out most people don't care jack shit about socialism and just want the goodies.
Property rights are better enshrined there than almost anywhere. Investment freedom is respected, red tape and business regulations are few and efficient, they don't like infinite deficit spending, nationalization of industry is minimal.
They just spend a lot on gibsmedat (and have the taxes to match it). This is enough to make these countries sluggish compared to what they should be, but it's a consistent choice they made as societies.

[Anonymous No.16622672]

>>16622658
This

OP do you even know what socialism is or do you really think welfare states are socialistic?

[Anonymous No.16622682]

>>16622451
Union membership isn't a very good measure of anything overall
>>16622476
>Inequalities are huge in Scandinavian
countries, plus workers' protections are very poor.
Retard
>>16622658
>This is enough to make these countries sluggish compared to what they should be
There is no "should be". As you say it's a choice, and reported happiness shows that it's clearly a healthy choice overall. The rest is correct.

[Anonymous No.16622692]

>>16622682
density * militance = force.

[Anonymous No.16622695]

>>16622658
>>16622672
Americans work by another definition of socialism nowadays
All political camps are guilty of this. American "socialists" have no idea what they're advocating for, and those opposed to "socialism" have no idea what it means

[Anonymous No.16622705]

>>16622695
>Americans work by another definition of socialism nowadays
Americans work by "it means what I think it means" definitions of everything these days, stoopid and proud is a thing

[Anonymous No.16622706]

>>16622451
It is not socialism. Nordic countries are among the most capitalistic in the world.

[Anonymous No.16622744]

>>16622658
Yes, Nordic socialism is not socialism because workers dont own the MoP, neither does the state pretend so. What they have however is economy closest to socialism from all European countries.
>https://www.heritage.org/index/heatmap
meme for ignorants. Since when is absence of "Judicial Efectiveness" or "public trust in politicians" a measure of socialism? One can go full private gonzales mode and argue that there is very strong correlation, but its not a primary measure.

>Property rights are better enshrined there than almost anywhere
Property rights are the same across the EU. And where they are not is due to corruption, instead of ideological driven policy.
>Investment freedom
Norway is pretty low, but its not really important category.
>red tape and business regulations are few and efficient
Efficient, yes, but there are a lot of them.
>nationalization of industry is minimal
Norway owns more than 60% of its oil production.

[Anonymous No.16622746]

>>16622451

Socialism has nothing to do with it
Nordic countries have been successful in the past for two reasons homogenized population and relative isolationism
If they're declining it's because these two things are declining

[Anonymous No.16622794]

>>16622744
Are you Nordic?

[Anonymous No.16622922]

>unions are socialism
The absolute state of Amerisharts

[Anonymous No.16622927]

>>16622746
Came here to post this

[Anonymous No.16622954]

The Nordic economies ESPECIALLY Sweden are corporatist, the saltsjöbad agreement was essentialy what stopped class struggle.

The social democrats who to this day dominate the organization of unions went into an informal agreement with the owners of capital, Wallenberg etc...

All desicions är by committee.

[Anonymous No.16622967]

>>16622451
It’s not socialism

[Anonymous No.16622972]

>>16622695
You’re just wrong and coping
Real American socialists are actual socialists

[Anonymous No.16623036]

>What they have however is economy closest to socialism from all European countries.

Based on? They have one of the most free economies in the world, so most of the MoP aren't in the control of the workers neither by the state. Belarus and Russia would be much more socialistic than them using those parameters, as well as most of eastern europe.

>Since when is absence of "Judicial Efectiveness" or "public trust in politicians" a measure of socialism?
This map measures economic freedom, not socialism, which would be rather dumb. If a country is too unstable or corrupt less investments are targeted there, so the economic freedom diminishes.

>Property rights are the same across the EU
No, each country have their own property rights. If you get a business in a shitty eastern european country, you are much more likely to be nationalized or prosecuted by the government because of a fuckton of property laws and regulations. Also monopolies and bureocracy to open different types of business and own land/capital are also taken in account.

>Norway is pretty low, but its not really important category.
It is important but with their population/oil ratio they can run almost any type of government and it will go alright. Just take a look at Qatar, Emirates, Bahrein and Brunei. Just happens that their economy is mostly free, besides being the most closed out of Scandinavia, it is still very free for worldwide standards. Oil man.

>Efficient, yes, but there are a lot of them.
Mostly alright, but same as above.

>Norway owns more than 60% of its oil production.
They barely own anything else and have almost no monopolies, their oil business is quite the exception and it's only 60%. They just happen to employ most of the population because they own a good part of oil production.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_enterprises_of_Norway

TL;DR If they are trying to be socialistic they are doing a really bad job. Norway has a more """socialistic""" economy but that's almost meaningless when you take oil in account, and quite free if compared to the rest of Europe, mainly eastern.

[Anonymous No.16623090]

>>16622451
>the only socialism that worked
imagine being so historically illiterate

[Anonymous No.16623099]

>>16622451
They're not socialist in any way, shape or form, it's just social democracy which preserves capitalist relations while throwing workers more scraps in the form of social security and healthcare.

[Anonymous No.16623159]

>>16622658
where can i read more about the great nordic myth

[Anonymous No.16623180]

>>16622451
They are quickly neoliberalizing, which is why social democracy is garbage: it's just a corporate stopgap to prevent revolution, and once people comfortable, they start rolling out the austerity again.

[Anonymous No.16623201]

>>16622451
>worked and works today
>made possible the replacement of the indigenous population and the destruction of nations
Sure buddy

[Anonymous No.16623292]

>>16622658
>nationalization of industry is minimal.
Hahaha

[Anonymous No.16623303]

>>16622451
it doesn’t work today though. don’t bother

t. dane

[Anonymous No.16623311]

>>16623303
Jeg er dansk din kartofle på persille sauce.

[Anonymous No.16623333]

>>16622451
Collectivist ideas were a big thing before the 1980s when the same liberal reform ideas for international competitiveness became more popular. Socialistic ideas were taken serious more there than anywhere else... but never actually implemented:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehn%E2%80%93Meidner_model

>>16622658
>I'm getting tired of bored ignorant angloids calling Scandinavia socialist in any way or form.
Because the Scandinavian economies did have a bigger role of government intervention than would of been acceptable in most English speaking countries? By socialism what people in places like America mean is just government action.

>They have some of the most open decentralized economies in the world.
That's just wrong. The most "open" economies always had that state of affairs forced on them, if it was really the most open all agriculture would be owned by American corporations by now.

>Property rights are better enshrined there than almost anywhere. Investment freedom is respected, red tape and business regulations are few and efficient, they don't like infinite deficit spending, nationalization of industry is minimal.
Dude you're citing the Heritage Foundation which is a neoconservative American think tank that doesn't produce anything serious. Basically "socialism" means Venezuela style failed states and anything that you can't portray as a total failure is actually a liberal success story even if it's 100% government controlled they'll find a way to spin things as the opposite e.g. so most housing in Singapore can be public but that's actually a free market success!

>They just spend a lot on gibsmedat (and have the taxes to match it). This is enough to make these countries sluggish compared to what they should be, but it's a consistent choice they made as societies.
From what I understand they have a rather regressive system of taxation which you could blame that "sluggishness" on. You could boost consumption no problem by just not taxing consumption and running larger public deficits no problem (obviously some place like Finland tied to the Euro that wouldn't really be possible though but the Eurozone project will probably fail by the next decade anyway).

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16623357]

>>16622658
>>16622658
But you are wrong see.

The problem of defining socialism is in the distribution of the means of production. The Soviet Union may have boasted that the means of production was held collectively and not by private (bourgeoise) interests. But any midwit can figure out that this isn't true, production was run by the politburo and by career partymembers, essentially the whole country was one joint stock corporation.

So we come to a conclusion that in capitalism AND in socialism production is ran by a few rich assholes in either the financial district or the Kremlin.

Now where does scandinavia come in, well i can only speak for my country Sweden, Here the LO (our associated labor unions) repressent 90% of the labor associated with its union, these (democratic) unions unsurprisingly are a very powerful force, and they are actually involved in co-managing our industries and our workplaces, along with the private interests. And at the same time they fund and essentially run the social democrat party.

So what we get is a system where politics, private interests and workers are all entangled in comanaging the entire economy in a "solidaristic" way, in which is FAR more inclusive than what the Soviets or the Chinese ever could dream of.

Add to this our social welfare and you have a system not as utopian as Marx would be happy with, but well on its way. Also your point that welfare impedes economic output, i think Keynes has something to say too you.

When government spends money in the economy, say building a bridge, it employs and pays a bunch of people, these people than go to the shoestore and the pub and spends their money. Thus government spending creates life in the economy, and every dollar the government spends it recieves 5.

[Anonymous No.16623396]

>>16622746
Literally every European country was racially homogenous before recent times and yet none of them have managed to do what the Scandinavians have. To say their economic and social policy is irrelevant is just utterly retarded. You can clearly see the benefits they’re reaping from their socially democratic policies.

[Anonymous No.16623485]

>>16622451
>Sweden's population has become much more ethnically, religiously and linguistically diverse over the past 70 years as a result of global immigration. Every fourth (24.9%) resident in the country has immigrant background and every third (32.3%) has at least one parent born abroad
So this is the power of nordic socialism

[Anonymous No.16623550]

>>16623357
>The problem of defining socialism is in the distribution of the means of production.
Marxists claim it has to do with ownership... but that's questionable. During the Bush years in America one of the schemes put forth to privatize social security (I think it was from the conservative Paul Ryan?) they did a study and ironically it would end up concentrating the nominal ownership of most capital into the hands of a few big private institutions (supposedly representing (ex-)workers) in less than 20 years but that's not what they wanted (or even understood fully).
Nominal ownership isn't really as important as real control of things. If I "own" less than 1% stake in something and I have no real control over anything than big deal. Ya, good public welfare is a better realistic objective since it gives people more real control over their lives and options but you fail there and just have fiscal stabilizers not that different from most other advanced countries. Strangely the right wing obviously want a more regressive system of taxation but even most of the left seem ok with that and don't want to make consumption cheaper and operate in the same framework where public budgets must balance in the end.

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16623594]

>>16623550
If i understand you correctly your problem is more with democracy than with social democracy.

Meaning you mean that social control over the means of production means that your personal influence on said means is less than 0.00001%

Did i misread you?

[Anonymous No.16623621]

>>16623485
The vast majority of those are white Europeans

[Anonymous No.16623623]

>>16622586
Yes and physicians only make $60,000 USD a year there and that's before taxes. If you're intelligent you would either leave or kill yourself in such a situation.

[Anonymous No.16623631]

>>16622658
Owned the retards on this thread. Good job.

[Anonymous No.16623634]

>>16622672
Yes, and this is why people like Sanders look like evil arch-communists in the US

[Anonymous No.16623638]

>>16623623
Not everything is about money burger. The Scandinavian countries are the happiest in the world, why would they kill themselves?

[Anonymous No.16623639]

>>16623621
It doesn't really matter. Even if they were all blonde-haired, blue-eyed supermen it wouldn't change the dilution of Swedish ethnic culture.

[Anonymous No.16623646]

>>16623639
I don't see how they care. And desu neither do I.
Especially when the socialism puts food on the table

[Anonymous No.16623658]

>>16623623
>Yes and physicians only make $60,000 USD a year there
I don't know who you're talking to but everyone gets paid stupid money there. Even the people on benefits get paid stupid money. I dated an unemployed girl in Denmark for a bit and she was pretty much getting what someone fresh out of uni in the UK would get.

[Anonymous No.16623665]

>>16623638
Because they're antinatalist

[Anonymous No.16623681]

>>16623623
Doctors deserve $60,000 USD a year everywhere. They only get more in america because Americans need healthcare or they'll die.
Guess what, people are still signing up to become doctors in Denmark and its still very competitive. Americans wouldn't dream of taking down the medical mafia because they're afraid people will stop wanting to become doctors

[Anonymous No.16623688]

>>16623681
>Americans wouldn't dream of taking down the medical mafia because they're afraid people will stop wanting to become doctors

Isn't it the case that there are limits put on how many people are allowed to become doctors in the US? I seem to recall hearing that. It's not for lack of want.

[Anonymous No.16623689]

>>16623623
Lol in my slav country most of them get around 20k a year. I know things are more expansive there but thats not half bad

[Anonymous No.16623700]

>>16622451
They are (or were) ethnically homogenous and have the population of like 3 major cities

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16623716]

>>16623700
If size and homogenity is the cause, how come iceland is all broke?

[Anonymous No.16623717]

>>16622746
>homogenized population and relative isolationism
then why aren't the other european countries like norway? they're homogenous and isolated

[Anonymous No.16623718]

>>16623621
A third of your country being foreigners isnt good thing, no matter where they are from

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16623729]

>>16623718
>A third of your country being foreigners isnt good thing

Why?

[Anonymous No.16623735]

>>16623716
Ive been there and they are doing great. Honestly the standard of living seemed similar to Norway

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16623746]

>>16623735
I guess its not bad, its not like those highly homogenous eastern european countries...

[Anonymous No.16623766]

>>16623716
Maybe its because they live on a volcano rock in the middle of nowhere. Could effect the culture/gene pool

[Anonymous No.16623783]

>>16623746
Nobody is saying that homogeneity is the only factor that determines economic prosperity, its just part of it. The whole eastern block got fucked by communism, compare east and west Germany, there is still divide today

[Anonymous No.16623797]

>>16623783
Well the nordic countries take half your income and throw it away in welfare and they're doing fine. Socialist paradises

[Anonymous No.16623821]

>>16623797
I dont know if you are serius or not but having robust social safety net isnt the same as being USSR

[Anonymous No.16623826]

>>16623746
Slavs were starting from a much lower status to begin with, dont be disingenuous

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16623853]

>>16623826
So why are we even talking about homogenity, what is it good for? Especially when these categories are in constant flux.

Irish and Jews being considered subhumans in the US until whiteness expanded and now they enjoy the same status as other white people. No one is worried about jews or irish people tainting the genepool of America, If you mean culturally we might agree, but the solution then is integration not homgenity...

[Anonymous No.16623880]

>>16623639
What ethnic culture? Sweden is as secular and socially liberal as any other European country. There is no difference between Swedish culture and the culture of any liberal neighbourhood in Europe and America.

[Anonymous No.16623888]

>>16622451
State capitalism is a separate concept from socialism. I fucking hate Americans who derive their definition of socialism from popular media and ecelebs.

[Anonymous No.16623894]

>>16622451
>nordic socialism
It's all state capitalism.

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16623897]

>>16623888
>>16623894
state capitalism was what the Soviet Union was, Scandinavia is way more socialist than the Soviet Union

[Anonymous No.16623914]

>>16623897
Engels literally labeled the USSR as a state capitalist society and it very clearly didn’t grant any actual power to the people. Calling the USSR socialist due to the fact that it had high taxes and a large portion of its industries were nationalized would be like calling Nazi Germany socialist because it had high taxes and a large portion of its industries were nationalized.

[Anonymous No.16623922]

>>16623914
>On Dec. 30, 1922, these constituent republics established the U.S.S.R.
>Died: 5 August 1895, London, United Kingdom

I'm sure he did.

[Anonymous No.16623924]

>>16623594
I meant more size. A big totalitarian or democratic system will have some similar issues. Changing ownership can only result in so much change (although it does matter somewhat obviously). If 90% of economic decisions are basically made by say a small amount of private firms representing the interests of shareholders who saved over a lifetime or a central planning commission under watch of a vanguard political party you're going to end up with some similar issues.
The joke was American conservatives wanted to get government out of providing any long term security because the market could do it better but most people want some security so you'd end up with a smaller amount of big private actors having more real power over aggregate investment decisions than the government actually plays today.


>>16623688
Well obviously only a certain amount of people can get qualified annually. The government doesn't determine that number but lolberts still aren't to happy with that and I suppose some would like to call themselves a doctor after watching some youtube videos lol

[Anonymous No.16623934]

>>16623485
Yes, it’s their economic policy which allows immigrants in, not their immigration policy.

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16623935]

>>16623914
>>16623922
Your misattribution aside, the reason the USSR was state capitalist is not because it had private property, before Breschnev it had very little, but because the communist party had nothing to do with the workers it was more akin to one big corporation than a commune, or collection of communes.

[Anonymous No.16623940]

>>16623853
It will pay off for eastern Europe when we're speaking arabic kek. I agree that culture is more important than genetics especially when talking about people who are closely related to the dominant people. It works in the US because the baseline is the same between the "melting pot"

[Anonymous No.16623948]

>>16623718
Why is that? If the immigrants are good people who contribute to the country then there is no reason to want them out. The only problem with modern immigration is that we allow the worthless working class dregs from third world nations in.

[Anonymous No.16623949]

>>16623935
Except the communes paid wages, extracted surplus value, and paid surplus value up to the finance banks which had supplied loans. Firms had responsibilities to profit, and interfirm exchange was marketised.

The reason why the Soviet Union was capitalist was because it was a value and wage labour society.

[Anonymous No.16623973]

>>16623853
>jews or irish people tainting the genepool of America

No, you are just fighting forever wars for the nose tribe.

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16623988]

>>16623973
haha based z0mg

[Anonymous No.16623990]

>>16623897
>state capitalism was what the Soviet Union was
During its NEP phase. From 1929 onwards it was socialism.

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16623998]

>>16623990
>>16623935

[Anonymous No.16624001]

>>16623729
they are a faction inside the country who aren't loyal to it

[Anonymous No.16624017]

>>16623998
Socialism=/=communism. If we had to use the proper Marxist definition, there would be basically no real example of it working and we wouldnt know how to call USSR, because it sure as hell wasnt capitalism.

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16624031]

>>16624017
I should have said socialism instead of commune.

[Anonymous No.16624032]

>>16623311
>kartofle
kartoffel
>persille sauce
persillesauce
Anon, jeg er skuffet...

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16624041]

>>16624032
danskäckel

[Anonymous No.16624044]

>>16623934
uhhhhh can you cook that down to left/right thanks? these words are hurting my brain
t. american

[Anonymous No.16624051]

>>16622451
Nordic countries were spared the destruction of two world wars and are abundant in natural resources (like oil extraction per capita in Norway equals Kuwait's) - this is also the reason that Australia and Canada are doing fine with no industry to speak of btw
Still, they are not socialist, and would be doing even better with even more capitalism and less gibs.

[Anonymous No.16624055]

>>16623853
Look at Canada, intra European ethnicity took more importance in the countries layout. Quality of life is higher than the US. Its a factor, deal with it

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16624063]

>>16624055
Isnt Canada like 50% Pajeet and Chinese?

[Anonymous No.16624065]

>>16622451
>nordic socialism
Its not socialism
>it works
Stuff works despite the system, not because of it. Nobody really knows how shit got good, and now people try to maintain something they don't understand, all the while everything is slowly going to shit.
>>16623623
Most do if they can, and you are branded as a traitor by boomers if you do.

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16624094]

>>16624055
>>16624063
Yes not only is Canada very ethnically diverse, i see here that no single religious denomination makes up a majority, Canada is also one of the few nations with a massive internal French speaking segment, making up 10 million citizen.

Boy i need to stop posting in American hours...

[Anonymous No.16624106]

>>16624063
Toronto and Vancouver lol
Seriously, Quebec is happy to be worse off economically as long as they preserve their culture. Within the province they are more open to socialist like policy to help their own

[Anonymous No.16624133]

>>16624094
I didn't say the country wasn't diverse as a whole, internally its more segregated

[Anonymous No.16624158]

>>16622451
memerelated applies here.

Nordic socialism is socialism in the sense that its what socialists (of the social democratic branch) in other European countries seek to emulate. Namely higher taxes (especially for the rich), more enviromental regulation, greater participation of employees in the production process, public housing etc. But its the kind of stuff socialist of the Marxist line reject and see it as tools for preserving capitalism.

[Anonymous No.16624181]

>>16624121
>antinatalist women

[Anonymous No.16624193]

>>16623821
That safety net is all that communism is.
Equality of outcome. Highschool teachers in Denmark make the same as lawyers. If that isn't like the USSR then I don't know what is.

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16624215]

>>16624193
>Highschool teachers in Denmark make the same as lawyers
No they dont, theres no way thats true, i live in Sweden and were supposed to be worse yet here thats not true. Danskäckel

[Anonymous No.16624233]

>>16624193
>Highschool teachers in Denmark make the same as lawyers.
Based if true.

[Anonymous No.16624247]

>>16623681
>waste 4 years for high school
>waste 4 years in university
>waste 4 years in medical school
>waste 3 to 9 years in residency
>yeah bro you only deserve $60k a year
You need your head bashed in.

[Anonymous No.16624257]

>>16624247
Tell that to my entire fucking country

[Anonymous No.16624263]

>>16622451
Cuba is doing great

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16624265]

>>16624247
Solution: make education free and pay people while pursuing education, thus not overburdening the doctors with crippling debt.

[Anonymous No.16624267]

>>16624257
I'll nuke your entire fucking country.

[Anonymous No.16624273]

>>16624263
Cuba isn't nordic "socialism". Its actual socialism.

[Anonymous No.16624277]

>>16624273
I know, OP said that Nordic Socialism is the only socialism that worked.

[Anonymous No.16624287]

>>16623638
There's a reason he feels that way though. Right now I'm waiting on a salary negotiation for a new job based in New England. I don't want supercars and mansions. But I also want to be able to pay for my kids college outright, take a vacation abroad occasionally, and retire. Taxes get in the way of a modicum of comfort. I'm afraid I'll have to turn down the job just because of high taxes.

[Anonymous No.16624302]

>>16624265
That still doesnt take away the fact medical education is highly stressful and demanding endeavour, during which you are not making much money

[Anonymous No.16624305]

>>16624265
Except you don't need to pay the debt back to any meaningful extent, if you do the bare minimum, you'll pay only a fraction of what is owed by the time you die. Anyways you can just continually defer it with a perpetual series of memes like online MPH degrees lol. Also smart medical students go to school for free with stipend if they get in as an MD PhD. Also HPSP exists so you can serve in the military for 4 years and go to school for free in the US. In any case $300k starting salary makes any debt worth it. You're just a coping moron

[Anonymous No.16624313]

>>16623623
Hol up nordicuck doctors make as much as some mid level tradie? LMAO

[Anonymous No.16624316]

>>16624305
no what you said is retarded

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16624323]

>>16624287
>pay for my kids college outright
Why would this be a problem in Scandinavia? Also you can vacation and retire plenty on 60k a year lol

At the same time where did this number come from? Median doctor makes like 120k a year

[None !sex0lQafxY No.16624352]

>>16624313
>>16624323
Its a falsehood

[Anonymous No.16624402]

>>16624323
Because I live in America? I'm just talking about taxes. Free University would be nice here, too (though free trade school is better). I'm okay with things being offered free or low cost, but I certainly don't want to pay the amount they want to tax me.

[Anonymous No.16624435]

>>16624402
>Because I live in America?
Then I'd suggest doing the math on taxes a couple times and getting it checked by a third party too, as you people are notoriously easy to swindle.

[Anonymous No.16624487]

>>16624316
$300k/year isn't retarded.

[Anonymous No.16624504]

>>16624265
That option exists in America (at least for medical school) imbecile.

[Anonymous No.16624509]

>>16622705
>"it means what I think it means"
isnt that literally everyone tho?

[Anonymous No.16624514]

what are good books for understanding communism ?

[Anonymous No.16624522]

>>16624323
$60k is nothing

[Anonymous No.16624526]

>>16624514
The writings of the saints (pbut) in your picture.

Marx and engels (pbut) - 50 books
Lenin (pbuh) - 50 books
Stalin (pbuh) - 13 books

[Anonymous No.16624552]

>>16624526
im too retarded to understand their writings

[Anonymous No.16624562]

>>16624522
>amerilards think it's normal to spend more than 60k dollars every year
You faggots are getting nickel and dimed so hard it's not even funny.
Also you should realize that median income per capita in your country is around 30-35k dollars, the "average" is skewed so hard by the ultrariches it's not even funny.
>inb4 amerilard doesn't know the difference between mean and median

[Anonymous No.16624576]

prepare for the final pill

[Anonymous No.16624577]

>>16624402
>I certainly don't want to pay the amount they want to tax me.
I'm not who you're responding to but why do you think you would? Seriously. America can obviously maintain high spending and low taxes. Most tax rates in America have basically been on a continuous downwards path since like the 1960s. Obviously that primarily has to do with the right wing embracing magical supply side economic arguments in the 1980s, the left were the ones whining about public debt under Reagan and Bush like it was some sort of "problem" that was going to cause "issues" for da grandchildren

Europe has high taxes because conservatives really use their power stupidly to try to "balance the budget" (American conservatives use that rhetoric but don't really do anything much there) and the left ideologically push it on wrongheaded grounds (most leftists don't understand corporate taxes are just a regressive flat tax pushed on wages or shareholders).

[Anonymous No.16624585]

>>16622476
>Inequalities are huge in Scandinavian countries, plus workers' protections are very poor.
?????????????

[Anonymous No.16624593]

>>16624577
Lol is there anything more smoothbrained than wanting to balance the budget?

[Anonymous No.16624624]

>>16624562
$60k is nothing if you factor in the cost of living, food, rent, etc. Even if you own your own house outright with no mortgage, 60k still isn't enough to feel comfortable. You need at least 110k with a paid off mortgage in a low cost of living area to be comfortable, and that's assuming you're remote. If you need to commute add another $30k to that.

[Anonymous No.16624637]

>>16624624
>$60k is nothing if you factor in the cost of living, food, rent, etc.
As said above, you guys are getting nickel and dimed so hard it's not even funny.

[Anonymous No.16624642]

>>16624624
americans be paying over 4% interest on their loans lmao

[Anonymous No.16624643]

>>16624193
You can refute this with 15 seconds in google. Besides being high school teacher is important job as well, maybe you mutts would get better education if they werent underpaid

[Anonymous No.16624650]

>>16624643
>maybe you mutts would get better education if they werent underpaid

What makes you think they're underpaid? The majority of school funds go to administrative costs.

[Anonymous No.16624859]

>>16624650
Teachers salaries aren't administrative costs, anon

[Anonymous No.16624886]

>>16624642
My mortgage is 2.45% APR fixed.

[Anonymous No.16624954]

>>16624643
We don't need education past age 12 or so. People should be free to go to university, trade school, or work at that point. Even if they made just 20k a year, if they saved until they are 20 they would be set for life. I refuse to discuss teacher salaries until we eliminate redundant education.

[Anonymous No.16624986]

>>16624954
>We don't need education past age 12 or so
spoken like a true american who haven't learned anything past age 12

[Anonymous No.16625002]

No Nordic country is socialist.

Socialist policies have ruined Nordic countries.

Kill yourselves retard leftists.

[Anonymous No.16625022]

>>16624954
>We don't need education past age 12 or so.
The absolute state of Amerifats.

[Anonymous No.16625988]

Why do many /pol/cels favour an economically destitute, corrupt and ethnically homogeneous country over a prosperous one with a few brown people living in it?

[Anonymous No.16626032]

>>16622451
>nordic socialism
I hate mutts

[Anonymous No.16626037]

>>16624267
No you won't because they're nordic. Your weakness

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16626039]

>>16625988
>economically destitute
>corrupt
Because they’re bootlickers
>ethnically homogeneous
Because they’re scared racists

[Anonymous No.16626038]

>>16622451
>The only socialism that worked
it didnt and its showing its inevitable signs of self destruction
its welfare society was created after getting rich off economical freedom like it always happens

[Anonymous No.16626045]

>>16622476
inequality is a meme newspeak word, the problem is poverty, not people being richer than you, unless youre envious and a crab in the bucket nigger

[Anonymous No.16626047]

>>16624522
You don't need more than 60k. And the NORDICS prove it.

[Anonymous No.16626053]

>>16626047
>money does not bring happiness meme
fuck off

[Anonymous No.16626059]

>>16626053
Money does bring happiness. Thats why everyone should make 60k a year no matter what.

[Anonymous No.16626104]

>>16626059
the costs of living vary wildly and so do expectations of people. just because you wanna live in a shitty commieblock doesnt mean that i do

[Anonymous No.16626135]

>>16626104
The costs of living are the same when your country is a good place to live.
If you wanna live in cockroach infested unequal hovel then stay in the USA.

[Anonymous No.16626169]

>>16626135
unfalsifiable garbage

[Anonymous No.16626278]

>>16624624
Average cost of living in the states is 1000 dollars, what are spending your money on retard?

[Anonymous No.16626398]

>>16626278
Pray tell how did you determine the socially appropriate commodity bundle from pure marginalism my mang?

Please cite Mills pathetic self-destruction in public over utility.

[Anonymous No.16626492]

>>16626045
>average wealth rises
>prices rise with it
>your wealth stays the same
According to you this should be fine because your wealth is the same as before

[Anonymous No.16626534]

>>16626045
The problem is people being richer.
They just buy up all the property and businesses and fire everyone who doesn't agree to be paid peanuts and the country goes to the shitter like America.

Nordic socialism tries to stop inequality which automatically makes it anticapitalist because capitalism means inequality.

[Anonymous No.16626612]

>>16622451
>yes I'm a socialist a National Socialist

[Anonymous No.16626623]

>>16626398
Just say you're shit with your money faggot or never moved out of the basement.

[Anonymous No.16626625]

>>16623746
>eastern europe
>highly homogenous

lmao this retard
>b-but they have white skin

[Anonymous No.16626635]

>>16625988
What examples are thinking of exactly?

[Anonymous No.16626665]

>>16625988
brown people inevitably will crush the country with their retard policies, brown people are more ethnocentric

t.someone who actually lives with browntoids and not a firstoid with white man's burden symptom

[Anonymous No.16626686]

>>16626492
>>prices rise with it
???

[Anonymous No.16626720]

>>16623311
Jeg knepper din mor din lille luder

[Anonymous No.16626732]

>>16622658
Based as fuck. I love all of the coping commies itt throwing their empty as fuck rhetoric talking themselves in circles against hard data.

[Anonymous No.16627323]

>>16622972
Yes, all 60,000 thousand of them. The number of people that engaged with actual socialist theory AND understand it is pitiful, and they're all busy with internecine conflict. There's no real organization and unity. Even anarchists have you beat, they actually do praxis even if its retarded.

[Anonymous No.16627633]

>>16626732
>A green-good-red-bad map trying to quantify "freedom" published by The Goddamn Heritage Foundation
>hard data

[Anonymous No.16627653]

>>16627633
Don't tease the 20 year olds. The curriculum is shit and tutorials are useless at the moment.

[Anonymous No.16627757]

>>16626534
>Nordic socialism tries to stop inequality which automatically makes it anticapitalist because capitalism means inequality.
>Nordic socialism which is actually just capitalism uses the state to manage public goods like every single other capitalist country, but capitalism can't be good so it's socialism now.
Okay

[Anonymous No.16629055]

>>16622451
"Nordic Socialism" is (or was, at any rate) just National Socialism with an elected government instead of an autocrat and a de facto instead of explicit racial policy.

[Anonymous No.16629084]

>>16626534
>They just buy up all the property and businesses and fire everyone who doesn't agree to be paid peanuts
Why that has never happened in a free market though? Why does the State always need to make laws inhibiting free competition for that to work?

[Anonymous No.16629235]

>>16622476
lol

[Anonymous No.16629367]

>>16627633
>maybe if I post a funny image it will obscure the fact there's zero facts or evidence on my side

[Anonymous No.16629403]

Ah yeah, countrys where people drive cars from the 90s because they can't afford anything newer

[Anonymous No.16629492]

>>16629403
The nordics have good cars. Some have teslas subsidized by the state

[Anonymous No.16629561]

>>16622658
Thank you for that post. There is more protection to private property in nordic countries than anywhere else in the world. Prices are also market adjusted and there are no laws against profiting. You have to be completelly illiterate on the subject to call them anything besides capitalist.

[Anonymous No.16629570]

>>16629055
stop trying to shill your shitty dead ideology

[Anonymous No.16629973]

>>16622476
>France and Belgium
>work
lmfao

[Anonymous No.16630830]

>>16629367
Why don't you google "Heritage Foundation Israel" and tell me about their interesting procurement of facts and evidence

[Anonymous No.16631231]

>>16630830
>>>/pol/
why don't you fuck off and go back?

[Anonymous No.16631408]

>>16631231
Everyone on earth except for /pol/acks are zionists?

[Anonymous No.16632276]

>>16629973
If you are not antiwork in 2020 you are unironically retarded.

[Anonymous No.16632364]

>>16623357
Well said. What the Nordic system really is, is a pretty good way to run capitalism.
Marx would indeed be unhappy with parts of it, especially that Swedish wealth inequality, but the overall achievement is undeniable.
Hopefully it can survive and get even better despite being in a world of pandemics, climate change, and a collapsing US empire.

[Anonymous No.16632837]

>>16631408
I think /pol/ would agree with that

[Anonymous No.16633958]

>>16632364
>Hopefully it can survive and get even better
Only thing that could derail them would be war or importing too much foreigners. Otherwise they are shielded from evils of this world.

[Anonymous No.16634999]

>>16623159
In Sweden, I think it's called the Sonderweg

[Anonymous No.16635003]

>>16622954
>är
oh, he's legit

[Anonymous No.16635013]

>>16633958
>or importing too much foreigners

About that...

[Anonymous No.16636057]

>>16625988
>few
Difference is, to a normal person, who you like to refer as a poltard due to the fact you are such a crying muh boogeyman bitch, few brown people is much less than few brown people to a mentally fucked and cucked, dysgenic, irrational and even evil individual who seeks to create civil wars for his grandchildren to enjoy.

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