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Anonymous Mon Oct 19 08:48:44 2020 No.16609575 [Reply] [Original]

>Plato. Not particularly fond of him
What was Nabokov's problem with Plato?

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 09:21:22 2020 No.16609700

>>16609575
I dunno, Nabokov had a problem with just about anyone. He was probably most likely a contrarian who said things about authors who people really liked so that people like the ones on this board could say "omg he's so cool he doesn't like Dostoevsky and Plato! Based!" You'll also notice that people who tend to agree with his hot takes spend more time reading memes on this board than reading the works of any of the authors he criticized. Why did I write this you ask? Because I'm retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 09:21:57 2020 No.16609704 >>16609700 >Why did I write this you ask? Because I'm retarded. based

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 09:25:07 2020 No.16609721

>>16609575
Honestly I just disregard anyone who doesn't hold Plato in high esteem, 'great author' or not. Its perfectly fine if you have quibbles with the gaps in some of his ideas, I think everyone notices flaws in some of Plato's reasoning when they read him, but how someone could not appreciate the divinity in Plato's works is beyond me. Is this just Nabokov being a pretentious pseud?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 11:54:07 2020 No.16610468 plato wasn't a butterfly

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 12:08:43 2020 No.16610554

>>16609721
>Is this just Nabokov being a pretentious pseud?
Hot takes like these are my favorite. Got any similarly thorough, well-argued analyses of other overrated "geniuses?" Personally, I think Einstein just got lucky, and Plato just plagiarised the Vedas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 12:20:34 2020 No.16610625 >>16610554 There's no way Plato was even aware the Vedas existed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 12:37:54 2020 No.16610732 >>16609575 >. Not particularly fond of him there is no way he said this. Who the fuck says something like this when giving an oppinion on Plato lmao xD

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 12:38:53 2020 No.16610742

>>16610625
Plato left Athens for over a decade, making it as far as Iran. If he happened to be interested in philosophical things, it's likely he'd have interacted with Vedic philosophy during his travels. The possibility of Vedic influence combined with the startling "convergence" of Plato's ontology with that of the Vedas makes it at least as likely he had some uncredited contributors on the works he published after returning to Athens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 12:39:43 2020 No.16610748 Please stop posting this CIA agent please.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 12:45:34 2020 No.16610781 Anonymous. Dislike him. A cheap sensationalist, clumsy and vulgar. A prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. Some of his greentexts are extraordinarily amusing. Nobody takes his philosophical musings seriously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 12:49:27 2020 No.16610802 >>16609575 He was an art-for-art’s sake guy, and disliked both spiritualism and narrow applications of logic. Plato’s body of work argues against, and represents, everything Nabby disliked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 12:55:55 2020 No.16610842 >>16609721 >Honestly I just disregard anyone who doesn't hold Plato in high esteem, 'great author' or not BASED BASED BASED

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 13:15:21 2020 No.16610942

>>16610742
>Making it as far as Iran
As far as i know he only traveled to Italy, Sicily, Egypt and Cyrene. There's no proof he ever traveled all the way into the Persian empire, and it seems very unlikely given the hostility between Greeks and Persians, but feel free to prove me wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 13:21:59 2020 No.16610980 >>16609575 Plato's for fuckin nerds

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 13:23:55 2020 No.16610992 >>16610942 >As far as i know You mean as far as Wikipedia knows, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 13:24:13 2020 No.16610994 >>16610980 No, that's Aristotle. Plato's for the ascended.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 13:25:01 2020 No.16611001 >>16610992 None of my history of philosophy books mention him traveling into the Persian empire either and i don't see you providing any sources.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 13:27:40 2020 No.16611020 >>16610994 >Plato's for the ascended. tips

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 13:31:20 2020 No.16611037 >>16611020 Literally the opposite of the stereotype you're trying to push here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 13:31:48 2020 No.16611040 >>16611037 >In this moment, I am ascended Sure it is buddy

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 14:52:46 2020 No.16611549 File: 31 KB, 220x220, elrisitas.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16610554 >Putting Nabokov on the same level as Plato and Einstein

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 14:54:55 2020 No.16611564 >>16611040 Atheists are the opposite of Plato, "buddy."

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 14:57:52 2020 No.16611579 >>16609700 >Nabokov had a problem with just about anyone. That comes along with being based.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 14:58:50 2020 No.16611588 >>16610992 If you had read Plato's dialogues you would know about the hostility between both. That anon is right and you are wrong. Plato's ideas are much more similar to egyptian neters than vedic philosophy, whatever you mean by the latter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 19:15:31 2020 No.16613122 >>16611564 Who the fuck mentioned atheists?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 19:16:42 2020 No.16613126 >>16613122 >tips fedora >I am euphoric (ascended)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 19:19:01 2020 No.16613135 >>16613126 Fedora tippers are contrarians before they're atheists

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 19:20:06 2020 No.16613138 >>16613135 Maybe in your head. Not in web lore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 19:21:13 2020 No.16613141 >>16613135 also, there's nothing contrarian about liking Plato. if anything you're the contrarian for disliking a philosophy cornerstone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 19:25:09 2020 No.16613157 >>16613138 >web lore Cringe >>16613141 >there's nothing contrarian about liking Plato Wrong, because Plato's for fuckin nerds

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 19:54:55 2020 No.16613296 didnt the greeks have some contact with indian philosophy through alexanders conquest?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 19:57:56 2020 No.16613313 >>16613296 iirc ancient Indian and Greek cultures were in contact at least via trading from before the pre-Socratics. probably nothing specifically and unequivocally philosophical tho.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 20:14:53 2020 No.16613405 >>16613296 That happened after Plato died.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 20:16:28 2020 No.16613412 >>16613157 >Wrong, because Plato's for fuckin nerds Prove it, nigger. Or stfu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 20:32:31 2020 No.16613484 >>16613412 >Prove it Your existence does that for me

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 21:10:46 2020 No.16613649 >>16609575 Nabokov's a pervert.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 21:20:14 2020 No.16613701 >>16609575 He thought Plato dealt too much in what he called too-general ideas than specific reality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 21:30:28 2020 No.16613742 >>16613649 Also, I bet he never read the Phaedrus.

>>	Jesus Tue Oct 20 03:10:18 2020 No.16615249 >>16609575 Does Plato make you smile? No? Fucking stupid pederast.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 03:13:03 2020 No.16615263 >>16613484 >can't prove it >resorts to le wacky reddit reply classic nigger

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 03:16:33 2020 No.16615279 >>16609575 Nabokov was a libertine. It's not hard to see why he disliked Plato.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 03:19:03 2020 No.16615297 >>16610942 Plato calls Darius "the Great King of Asia" in one dialogue.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 03:44:12 2020 No.16615379 >>16609721 >Honestly I just disregard anyone who doesn't hold Plato in high esteem same but with nabakov

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 03:52:08 2020 No.16615403 >>16611549 bro how did you manage to misread it that badly

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 05:30:08 2020 No.16615676 File: 787 KB, 200x200, 1602746669441.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16615379 >holding nabakov in high esteem

Anonymous Tue Oct 20 06:14:30 2020 No.16615804

>>16609575
Of all of the contrarian vitriolic takes of this pseud, this one is understandable from the point of view of Nabokov.
Plato likes God and logic. He's moralistic. He's especially skeptical of the lures of rhetoric.
It's more surprising Nabokov wasn't seething.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 06:54:56 2020 No.16615906 >>16615804 *The gods, Plato wasn't a monotheist, although a lot of people who read translations might end up thinking he was some kind of proto-Christian.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 07:31:18 2020 No.16616019 he, as a pedophile, has an aversion to any text which is spiritually edifying because it makes him feel inadequate

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