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16608381 No.16608381 [Reply] [Original]

So it was an utopia the whole time? You were guaranteed happiness and even if you didn't fit in you'd be sent off to the island where you'd end up having a fulfilling life anyways

>> No.16608383

>>16608381
Sounds like hell. Happiness is for NPCs.

>> No.16608386

>>16608381
Where is the island in our world?

>> No.16608393

Yes OP.
A world where the majority of the population is labotomized and the others are conditioned like dogs is a utopia

>> No.16608404

utopia = dystopia

>> No.16608426

>>16608381
ok bentham

>> No.16608487

>>16608386
OP answer him/ we

>> No.16608634

>Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery. And, of course, stability isn't nearly so spectacular as instability. And being contented has none of the glamour of a good fight against misfortune, none of the picturesqueness of a struggle with temptation, or a fatal overthrow by passion or doubt. Happiness is never grand.

>> No.16608650

>>16608381
>being happy is bad, actually

>they have "fake" happiness

if you are happy, you are happy. end of story. the citizens absolutely love their lives and love their awful jobs, what is wrong with that.

>> No.16608667

>>16608650
>>16608650
>what is wrong with that.
atheists beta men like the struggle, they love to deify suffering, hardship, because they hate boredom and need power fantasies to live, like >>16608634

>> No.16608699

>>16608667
Not an atheist or a beta male, I guess I take the quote as Mustapha saying they don’t know what they’re missing out on. It actually strengthens OPs argument. If the spell were to be broken they might find themselves in a dystopia, but until then they’re perfectly happy.

>> No.16608711

>>16608699
it seems to me like the quote is saying "actual" happiness isn't better because of the happiness, but because of the hardships that go along with it. To me at least it is not in favor of a "utopia" like the one in the book.

>> No.16608732

>>16608711
Hm, I always thought that the “actual” happiness being referred to was the happiness that the people in the society enjoyed. But people derive more satisfaction by overcompensating for misery etc.

>> No.16610027

>>16608426
kek'd

>> No.16610178

>>16608393
But is that any worse than the current world we live in