The Republic

[Anonymous No.16598422]

Why do Christians love it so much?

[Anonymous No.16598434]

>>16598422
dunno

[Anonymous No.16598457]

>>16598422
It's proto christian. Truth is truth is truth is truth

[Anonymous No.16598478]

>>16598457
>christians like it, so its retroactively proto-christian
retrocausality is retrocausality is retrocausality

[Anonymous No.16598481]

>>16598422
He and Aristotle provided the philosophical foundations for monotheistic Christianity, and they really pushed it because of that. In fact the reason Jesus is depicted with a beard is to depict him as a 'philosopher king', the beard and toga being stolen from the stereotypical depiction of Greek philosophers like Plato and Aristotle. pic related is a depiction of Jesus as the good shepherd before they went with the philosopher king look.

[Anonymous No.16598485]

>>16598478
Creation is prior to Plato anon and so is the math which he says he rediscovered or remembered

[Anonymous No.16598632]

>>16598485
On one occasion, wanting to lead
them on to talk about antiquity, he broached the subject of our own ancient
history. He started talking about Phoroneus—the first human being, it is
said—and about Niobe, and then he told the story of how Deucalion and
Pyrrha survived the flood. He went on to trace the lines of descent of their
posterity, and tried to compute their dates by calculating the number of
years which had elapsed since the events of which he spoke. And then
one of the priests, a very old man, said, ‘Ah, Solon, Solon, you Greeks are
ever children. There isn’t an old man among you.’ On hearing this, Solon
said, ‘What? What do you mean?’ ‘You are young,’ the old priest replied,
‘young in soul, every one of you. Your souls are devoid of beliefs about
antiquity handed down by ancient tradition. Your souls lack any learning
made hoary by time. The reason for that is this: There have been, and
there will continue to be, numerous disasters that have destroyed human
life in many kinds of ways. The most serious of these involve fire and
water, while the lesser ones have numerous other causes. And so also
among your people the tale is told that Phaethon, child of the Sun, once
harnessed his father’s chariot, but was unable to drive it along his father’s
course. He ended up burning everything on the earth’s surface and was
destroyed himself when a lightning bolt struck him. This tale is told as a
myth, but the truth behind it is that there is a deviation in the heavenly
bodies that travel around the earth, which causes huge fires that destroy
what is on the earth across vast stretches of time. When this happens all
those people who live in mountains or in places that are high and dry are
much more likely to perish than the ones who live next to rivers or by
the sea. Our Nile, always our savior, is released and at such times, too,
saves us from this disaster. On the other hand, whenever the gods send
floods of water upon the earth to purge it, the herdsmen and shepherds
in the mountains preserve their lives, while those who live in cities, in
your region, are swept by the rivers into the sea. But here, in this place,
water does not flow from on high onto our fields, either at such a time or
any other. On the contrary, its nature is always to rise up from below.

[Anonymous No.16598637]

>>16598485
Whoa, creation predates plato? Remarkable...

[Anonymous No.16598654]

>>16598485
>>16598632
This, then, explains the fact that the antiquities preserved here are said to
be the most ancient. The truth is that in all places where neither inordinate
cold nor heat prevent it, the human race will continue to exist, sometimes
in greater, sometimes in lesser numbers. Now of all the events reported
to us, no matter where they’ve occurred—in your parts or in ours—if there
are any that are noble or great or distinguished in some other way, they’ve
all been inscribed here in our temples and preserved from antiquity on.
In your case, on the other hand, as in that of others, no sooner have you
achieved literacy and all the other resources that cities require, than there
again, after the usual number of years, comes the heavenly flood. It sweeps
upon you like a plague, and leaves only your illiterate and uncultured
people behind. You become infants all over again, as it were, completely
unfamiliar with anything there was in ancient times, whether here or in
your own region. And so, Solon, the account you just gave of your people’s
lineage is just like a nursery tale. First of all, you people remember only
one flood, though in fact there had been a great many before. Second, you
are unaware of the fact that the finest and best of all the races of humankind
once lived in your region. This is the race from whom you yourself, your
whole city, all that you and your countrymen have today, are sprung,
thanks to the survival of a small portion of their stock. But this has escaped
you, because for many generations the survivors passed on without leaving
a written record. Indeed, Solon, there was a time, before the greatest of
these devastating floods, when the city that is Athens today not only
excelled in war but also distinguished itself by the excellence of its laws
in every area. Its accomplishments and its social arrangements are said to
have been the finest of all those under heaven of which we have re-
ceived report.’
“When Solon heard this he was astounded, he said, and with unreserved
eagerness begged the priests to give him a detailed, consecutive account
of all that concerned those ancient citizens. ‘I won’t grudge you this,
Solon,’ the priest replied. ‘I’ll tell you the story for your own benefit as
well as your city’s, and especially in honor of our patron goddess who
has founded, nurtured and educated our cities, both yours and ours. Yours
she founded first, a thousand years before ours, when she had received e
from Earth and Hephaestus the seed from which your people were to
come. Now our social arrangement, according to the records inscribed in
our sacred documents, is eight thousand years old. Nine thousand years
ago, then, did these fellow citizens of yours live, whose laws and whose
finest achievement I’ll briefly describe to you.

[Anonymous No.16598680]

>>16598422
Christians are the original pagan larpers.

[Anonymous No.16598884]

>>16598422
Christians also love Sophocles' Antigone, and Plotinus' Enneads.

[Anonymous No.16598892]

>>16598481
>the reason Jesus is depicted with a beard is to depict him as a 'philosopher king',
Or maybe its because not having a beard was shamfeul in the old testament and jesus followed the old testament?

[Anonymous No.16599100]

>>16598884
>Christian's live Antigone
They do?

[Anonymous No.16599105]

>>16598892
the change of a depiction from non-bearded to bearded Jesus happened in the roman empire, not in Judea. Not having a beard was the roman standard, and depictions with a beard were a conscious artistic decision.

[Anonymous No.16599116]

>>16598637
They said I wouldn't get my PhD neither

[Anonymous No.16599119]

>>16598422
The core metaphysical ideas are very similar, Plato even has a description of Heaven and Hell

[Anonymous No.16599128]

>>16599105
>Not having a beard was the roman standard

[Anonymous No.16599176]

>>16599119
>Plato even has a description of Heaven and Hell
the other way around

[Anonymous No.16599197]

>>16598422
Because it has a lot of wisdom in it.
Plato (like the Stoics and the Neoplatonists) was a very smart man who came close to the truth.

[Anonymous No.16599218]

>>16599176
what

[Anonymous No.16599233]

>>16598422
fucking moron
>why does everyone love it
also platonism aligns with every philosophy that values the truth, but your edgy retarded ass didnt come here and say
>why do the stoics love it
>why do the freudians love it
its because youre a fucking brainlet thats why

[Anonymous No.16599238]

>>16599233
Based

[Anonymous No.16599244]

>>16598892
>tfw beardlet

[Anonymous No.16599272]

>>16599233
Cringe anti-Christian take

[Anonymous No.16599282]

>>16599272
im in school to become a pastor to fuckhead
im just saying that op is a total faggot because hes trying to be profound like hes the only one that has discovered this u l t i m a t e question and its the most mitwit tier observation.
und wenn es ist 'mitwit tier', er ist ein Tier

[Anonymous No.16599298]

>>16599282
>school to become a pastor
what's wrong with you?

[Anonymous No.16599305]

>>16599298
my denomination requires actual intelligence to be a pastor, so i need to know hebrew greek german latin etc and go to sem for four years
but im in presem rn cause sem is grad school
youre a moron not just anyone can become a pastor

[Anonymous No.16599307]

>>16599282
>paying to learn the word of God
Laughing at you right now

[Anonymous No.16599310]

>>16599305
>doesn't believe in the priesthood of all believers

[Anonymous No.16599312]

>>16599305
Someone with your attitude shouldn't be able to regardless of intelligence. What would Jesus think of you calling people midwit, moron, and fuckhead?

[Anonymous No.16599324]

>>16599307
u realize they pay for me to go to undergrad too right? they need pastors so its pretty much full ride
and yeah you can learn alot from old guys that have been reading the word for decades in the original text, they have a lot of insight
yes, Christ is our great teacher, but you learn from everyone you meet aswell
>>16599310
i do but i feel like your coming from a very mainline prottie perspective so thats kinda cringe, also most christians dont read the Bible so really they dont know much
>>16599312
this guy hasnt read luther
love is honest, because love is the truth, would you have me lie to you?
also luther once again

[Anonymous No.16599326]

>>16599324
Truth doesn't need to be abrasive, the effort to make it easier to swallow will only do your flock good.

[Anonymous No.16599343]

>>16599324
What are you, Missouri Synod? Or the Wisconsin one?

[Anonymous No.16599350]

>>16599326
im simply pointing out that his knowledge has indeed, puffed him up, and that it is preudent for him to know it is mere vain conceit
desu no one talks like 4chan irl, its just i cant speak in a normal tongue here because itd be weird
and also the truth is often abraisive, tell a gay person that being gay is wrong, tell a hedonist that he is unhappy because his jar is full of holes and he can never taste the fruit of contentedness
>>16599343
misery but i might go eldona for ministry, theres a lot of cringe bodies in lcms, but my og one was super based
organ, no contemp shit, all out of the hymn book, including order of worship, based pastor that encouraged me, it really just takes one person, i kinda hope that by the end of my life i can reform my synod and unite the midwestern synods as well, as happened in the mid 20th century but lcms fucked it up so now we dont how reciprocity or anything, christians ought to be united in Christ, in his life and his death.

[Anonymous No.16599390]

>>16599350
What use is imparted truth that is ignored? A true shepard needs his heard to want to listen. You take on the responsibility of saving souls but refuse to learn how to save them. They much choose for themselves and you chase them from the choice with a brandished stick. You'll damn the lot, and I'll be waiting.

[Anonymous No.16599424]

>>16599390
yo bro reading a bit too much revelation there?
i didnt impart any truth, just said that his observation wasnt anything profound and that was invaluable to me when i was a getting into reading because it made me want to read more and be able to manifest good opinions
also
>his heard
and
>they choose for themselves
as a lutheran i do not believe that we have freewill when it comes to salvation, as it is a gift from God, this is the elect, though potentially infinite, it is not so, many are indelibly chained to the servitude of the prince of this world
ur kinda projecting a lot that i didnt even say, i didnt talk about salvation at all, nor did i talk about the bible, just that me making fun of a kid that desnt understand plato isnt anti christian
also platos in hell so who cares
as based martin luther once said
die heiden sollen brennen

[Anonymous No.16599460]

>>16599128
neckbeard doesn't count

[Anonymous No.16599472]

>>16599324
luther and jesus were gentleman, you can be truthful and be civil at the same time.

[Anonymous No.16599491]

>>16599324
I shouldn't have to tell a christian to speak well or hold their tongue.

[Anonymous No.16600010]

>>16599491
Paul teaches that we should be humble and obedient, but know that those who oppress us in this world will be payed in full in the next. It is prudent to note, however, that John in Revelation speaks on how "lukewarm water" will be spit out. So if someone presses you, you ought not be like Peter and deny him, stand strong in the faith always, but don't use it as a weapon, yet don't hide the light away. It should shine bright with pride in your lord. Aswell know that ye who are baptized into Christ are baptized into his death, go and die willingly.
>>16599472
>t. has never read Luther
the incel connotations of gentlemen aside, aswell as your use of the singular when meaning plural, and your lack of capitalizing Jesus, our Lord and Savior, youre wrong.
Jesus was civil, but it produced unrest; Luther was civil, and yet again it produced unrest and brought about the bloodiest war of all time. the truth is not a mundane thing, it is a strong and beautiful volatile substance

[Anonymous No.16600223]

I am doing my best, he answered. Well, given two such characters, it is not hard, I fancy, to describe the sort of life that each
of them may expect; and if the description sounds rather coarse,
take it as coming from those who cry up the merits of injustice rather than from me. They will tell you that our just man will be thrown into prison, scourged and racked, will have his eyes burnt out, and, after every kind of torment, be impaled. That will teach him how much better it is to seem virtuous than to be so. In fact those lines of Aeschylus I quoted are more fitly applied to the unjust man, who, they say, is a realist and does not live for appearances: 'he would be, not seem' unjust.

Probably because of this from Book II. The true virtuous man is he who is degraded and regarded ignominiously. The torture by the corrupt faux-virtuous (Pharisees) followed by death by wooden implement is also very reminiscent of the Passion.

[Anonymous No.16600236]

>>16599218
I think he's saying that Plato has a description of Hell and Heaven.

[Anonymous No.16600339]

>>16598481
>He and Aristotle provided the philosophical foundations for monotheistic Christianity,
>He and Aristotle

or maybe it was judaism, you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.16600379]

>>16599282
>>16599272
you come from a european gene pool supposedly. there is a culture that corresponds with this gene pool, the two are inseparable, the culture decides the rules of artificial selection that shaped the gene pool.
The culture consists of language and philosophy and history that is uniquely associated with the gene pool, all of which evolved along with it.

instead of that you adopt the culture that developed with a foreign semitic gene pool.
can you acknowledge this on any level? how do you cope?

all monotheism is jewish. it's an authoritarian limit on knowledge by saying everthing is limited to whatever arbitrary definition of "the one god"
one god means nothing
it's a lie
the only thing it symbolizes is the authority of whoever controls the church - in our case the jews
the jew's god is not a god, it is their own race

creation was a series of processes with no clear origins, yet monotheist kikes ascribe ONE cause to it all, one purpose, but don't actually explain what it is
their real purpose is just making up lies as justification for doing whatever they want

[Anonymous No.16600474]

>>16599128
Nero was an awful emperror and a weirdo deserving of "neck beard" status.
He is the legendary king of all neck beards.

[Anonymous No.16600822]

>>16600010
> Your grammar is wrong therefore your opinion is wrong

You're really an embarrassment to Christians, you know that?

[Anonymous No.16600882]

>>16600379
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>muh pagan tradition
>he doesnt know about alchemy, and how it syncretically bound hellenism and Christianity
>he doesnt know that many gods are permitted while there is One God that is worshipped
>he doesnt know that Christianity is indelibly intertwined to European culture, all throughout history, much longer, in fact, than the pagans were around,a nd has much more of an impact because Christian art is superior in every way, ie renaissance, baroque, lit everything european
>he doesn't know literally a million thing
>hes unironically a poltard
moving on
>>16600822
what a complete strawman
of course ill call out your grammar, this is a lit board, if you write like shit, you dont belong here also i can tell youre phonefagging from
>You're
or maybe youre really selfconscious now
so its even more embarrassing because you have autocorrect
but you still didnt address anything i brought up
this thread is shit
im out